Where are all the women?

[satindesire]

Black men don't always, and I think that native American's don't either.

Black, Asian, Native, Pacific Islander....actually, the only guys who really have a lot of chest hair are white guys.

 

[Keroin]

Black, Asian, Native, Pacific Islander....actually, the only guys who really have a lot of chest hair are white guys.

I don't think I've seen a guy on this island with any chest hair, or even leg hair. They're a very smoothnificent race of people.

 

[ownedsubgal]

Black, Asian, Native, Pacific Islander....actually, the only guys who really have a lot of chest hair are white guys.

white guys and middle eastern guys...the two hairiest groups of humankind on this planet.

 

[myinnerslut]

LOL

The joys of relationships with older guys. lol

yes, it is mostly apparent when we talk about media (movies, music, etc) but slang is another big one.

 

[Netzach]

white guys and middle eastern guys...the two hairiest groups of humankind on this planet.

The *nicest* hairy chest I think I ever saw, though, was on this butch, gay, black Daddy, who had to be pushing 60. OMG, I wanted to just lick sweat off him and those little salt and pepper curls. This would have been unappreciated, I'm sure so I have to effuse to Lit boards.

Sorry, carry on.

 

[ZRT]

The *nicest* hairy chest I think I ever saw, though, was on this butch, gay, black Daddy, who had to be pushing 60. OMG, I wanted to just lick sweat off him and those little salt and pepper curls. This would have been unappreciated, I'm sure so I have to effuse to Lit boards.

Sorry, carry on.

...I had a reply lined up, but...

Yeah.

I'll get back to this later. Topic, that is.

 

[Shankara20]

The *nicest* hairy chest I think I ever saw, though, was on this butch, gay, black Daddy, who had to be pushing 60. OMG, I wanted to just lick sweat off him and those little salt and pepper curls. This would have been unappreciated, I'm sure so I have to effuse to Lit boards.

Sorry, carry on.

*sounds of Shank wishing he were black - he's got the rest covered *

 

[Netzach]

lol, he was a dude, one dude, one really hot dude. Shanks, you must have gathered by now I really don't have a single type. White furry guy with dick rings and panties = super.

 

[Shankara20]

lol, he was a dude, one dude, one really hot dude. Shanks, you must have gathered by now I really don't have a single type. White furry guy with dick rings and panties = super.

YES! I have a reason to live once again

 

[satindesire]

white guys and middle eastern guys...the two hairiest groups of humankind on this planet.

Oh! Yes, how could I have forgotten that with a half-middle eastern husband?!

Pregnancy hormones makes me forgetful and stupid I guess. /facepalm

 

[ownedsubgal]

Oh! Yes, how could I have forgotten that with a half-middle eastern husband?!

Pregnancy hormones makes me forgetful and stupid I guess. /facepalm

forgetful maybe, stupid, no, adoreable yes.

 

[JMohegan]

Possibly because of those of us who've run into the rough end of feminism. Women who say things like 'why don't you have a real job' or 'don't you want to do anything with your life'?

This plays a big part in it, yes.

 

[JMohegan]

NICE!

Do you find it telling that black men were given legal rights before women of any colour?

What type of rights, specifically?

1920 was after 1870, but prior to 1965.

 

[Keroin]

What type of rights, specifically?

1920 was after 1870, but prior to 1965.

I’m referring to pre-1920 and the 15th amendment. I do realize that just because black men were given the right to vote, doesn’t mean they were given meaningful rights or any real voice. Nevertheless, Women’s Suffrage has roots as far back as 1848 and yet the 19th amendment didn't happen until 1920.

I find it interesting that the government was willing to recognize, at least technically, the rights of men it had once considered no better than livestock long before they would recognize those same rights for the women that shared their bed and raised their children. What does that say about how women were viewed?

 

[Netzach]

This plays a big part in it, yes.

There are plenty of vocational choices that get shat on in life. I hang drywall. I flip burgers. I'm a garbage collector. I'm a dominatrix.

The backlash at the parties I go to has become that if you don't fall on the floor smitten utterly by how great motherhood is, with a million dying to know questions, you're an asshole.

 

[Keroin]

There are plenty of vocational choices that get shat on in life. I hang drywall. I flip burgers. I'm a garbage collector. I'm a dominatrix.

The backlash at the parties I go to has become that if you don't fall on the floor smitten utterly by how great motherhood is, with a million dying to know questions, you're an asshole.

*Makes mental note never to go to a party with Netz*

Do you find this? Really? What are the demographics of these parties? I know lots of folks with kids but I've rarely, if ever, gotten that vibe at a social gathering.

Maybe things are different in the city?

Hanging out in Mexico is wild. Tell anyone you're forty and childless and you're in danger of causing a spontaneous brain anuerism. Now I make up stories, "Oh yes, I have twelve. I left them at home with bowls of food and water. They'll be fine. The cat? Oh, she comes everywhere with me!"

 

[Netzach]

*Makes mental note never to go to a party with Netz*

Do you find this? Really? What are the demographics of these parties? I know lots of folks with kids but I've rarely, if ever, gotten that vibe at a social gathering.

Maybe things are different in the city?

Hanging out in Mexico is wild. Tell anyone you're forty and childless and you're in danger of causing a spontaneous brain anuerism. Now I make up stories, "Oh yes, I have twelve. I left them at home with bowls of food and water. They'll be fine. The cat? Oh, she comes everywhere with me!"

These parties are usually populated with politically active moms, often single though not always - people who were probably crapping on hetronormative motherhood the year before and now have discovered it like a new continent.

 

[Keroin]

These parties are usually populated with politically active moms, often single though not always - people who were probably crapping on hetronormative motherhood the year before and now have discovered it like a new continent.

EEK! Garlic around the neck might help but bring some holy water for back up.

 

[JMohegan]

I’m referring to pre-1920 and the 15th amendment. I do realize that just because black men were given the right to vote, doesn’t mean they were given meaningful rights or any real voice. Nevertheless, Women’s Suffrage has roots as far back as 1848 and yet the 19th amendment didn't happen until 1920.

I find it interesting that the government was willing to recognize, at least technically, the rights of men it had once considered no better than livestock long before they would recognize those same rights for the women that shared their bed and raised their children. What does that say about how women were viewed?

I think the 15th amendment says more about the policies of Reconstruction than anything else.

The federal government actively backed up newfound voting rights in southern states *initially*. But the fact that this resolve subsequently waned, and the effective disenfranchisement of African Americans was permitted for so many years thereafter, tells me that whatever high-minded commitment to the voting rights of minority men existed at the federal level in the 19th century was short-lived at best.

 

[JMohegan]

There are plenty of vocational choices that get shat on in life. I hang drywall. I flip burgers. I'm a garbage collector. I'm a dominatrix.

The backlash at the parties I go to has become that if you don't fall on the floor smitten utterly by how great motherhood is, with a million dying to know questions, you're an asshole.

Okay, and do you have a positive view of those who shit on dominatrices? The question was: How did feminism get a bad name? People who feel shat on by the message of feminism have a right to express their resentment.

Jesus, woman. I'm having a hard time imagining you in that type of crowd. Are they talking up motherhood, as in: pop out a kid and send him off to daycare/hire a nanny/call grandma while you go to work all day at your high-powered job and head off to sanctimonious chatfests at cocktail parties at night? Or are they talking up motherhood, as in: Graceanne-style?

 

[satindesire]

Hanging out in Mexico is wild. Tell anyone you're forty and childless and you're in danger of causing a spontaneous brain anuerism. Now I make up stories, "Oh yes, I have twelve. I left them at home with bowls of food and water. They'll be fine. The cat? Oh, she comes everywhere with me!"

*dies laughing*

 

[graceanne]

Black, Asian, Native, Pacific Islander....actually, the only guys who really have a lot of chest hair are white guys.

Eh. K's and his brother/father/white nephews have squat when it comes to chest hair. They get a little at the collar bone and a little at the belly button, and not anymore.

On the other hand my nephew, who is half Iraqi, had a full beard at 15. lol

yes, it is mostly apparent when we talk about media (movies, music, etc) but slang is another big one.

Oh, I hear you. I remember when me and K were dating and his sister in law (now mine, too) asked me if I'd seen Star Wars. I said "yeah, my aunt has it" and she said 'no at the theatre'. I rolled my eyes and said "M, I was five when the last one came out". Both she and K gaped at me. LOL

There are plenty of vocational choices that get shat on in life. I hang drywall. I flip burgers. I'm a garbage collector. I'm a dominatrix.

The backlash at the parties I go to has become that if you don't fall on the floor smitten utterly by how great motherhood is, with a million dying to know questions, you're an asshole.

No matter where you go there will be someone who thinks what you've chosen to do is bad/wrong/stupid. It's impossible to please everyone. Most people think that what makes them happy will make other people happy and can't understand that that's not always so.

But, I don't have issues with other mothers, unless they're feminists. This is why the phrase feminist has bad connotations to me, because of the snears and snide comments I get when people realize that I don't (and never have) had a career. Even worse when they realize I have no intention of having a career. I mean, granted, I'm going to college, but I plan on working part time from my house. And this is mostly so that if, heaven forbid, I have to provide for my family; then I can.

That said, I can (and do) make fun of other mom's who look down on people who don't do that they do. You know that.

Okay, and do you have a positive view of those who shit on dominatrices? The question was: How did feminism get a bad name? People who feel shat on by the message of feminism have a right to express their resentment.

Jesus, woman. I'm having a hard time imagining you in that type of crowd. Are they talking up motherhood, as in: pop out a kid and send him off to daycare/hire a nanny/call grandma while you go to work all day at your high-powered job and head off to sanctimonious chatfests at cocktail parties at night? Or are they talking up motherhood, as in: Graceanne-style?

Thank you. The bolded part was such a compliment.

 

[Netzach]

Okay, and do you have a positive view of those who shit on dominatrices? The question was: How did feminism get a bad name? People who feel shat on by the message of feminism have a right to express their resentment.

Jesus, woman. I'm having a hard time imagining you in that type of crowd. Are they talking up motherhood, as in: pop out a kid and send him off to daycare/hire a nanny/call grandma while you go to work all day at your high-powered job and head off to sanctimonious chatfests at cocktail parties at night? Or are they talking up motherhood, as in: Graceanne-style?

Motherhood as in sling carrying cloth diapering staying at home even if it means dumpstering your organics, not-vaccinating (do not ever ever ever tell that to someone taking immunosuppressants, I wanted to kill her on the spot) and whatever else is the behavior du jour.

The parties in question were craft nights at the one moneyed girl's house. She's a young lesbian who'd called up a friend and ordered herself a designer multiriacial baby because you know, there's no multiracial kids out there who need parents. Don't get me started.

The feminist avant garde which was busy shitting on mothering in the 80's is now discovering motherhood like it never existed before and beating everyone else over the head with it hard.

Oh and you are the biggest asshole on earth if you think that breastfeeding discreetly in public versus pointing your tits in everyone's face is just good manners.

 

[Netzach]

But, I don't have issues with other mothers, unless they're feminists. This is why the phrase feminist has bad connotations to me, because of the snears and snide comments I get when people realize that I don't (and never have) had a career. Even worse when they realize I have no intention of having a career. I mean, granted, I'm going to college, but I plan on working part time from my house. And this is mostly so that if, heaven forbid, I have to provide for my family; then I can.

That said, I can (and do) make fun of other mom's who look down on people who don't do that they do. You know that.

I work from home, never let anyone tell you that's so much less work. I mean it is more kid compatible, it's great that way.

Furthermore, the only mothers, and SAHM'S I look down on are ones who can't talk about anything else or connect with anyone who doesn't have kids or look down on people who don't. You definitely have things to say relating to the outer world, peppered with reasonable amounts of cute kid stories.

I'm talking about people largely unmoored and defensive about their choice to have babies to the point where if you don't you're just not cool enough. Or it's assumed you think they're assholes because they chose to have babies, not because they're assholes to you and everyone not like them.

 

[JMohegan]

Motherhood as in sling carrying cloth diapering staying at home even if it means dumpstering your organics, not-vaccinating (do not ever ever ever tell that to someone taking immunosuppressants, I wanted to kill her on the spot) and whatever else is the behavior du jour.

The parties in question were craft nights at the one moneyed girl's house. She's a young lesbian who'd called up a friend and ordered herself a designer multiriacial baby because you know, there's no multiracial kids out there who need parents. Don't get me started.

The feminist avant garde which was busy shitting on mothering in the 80's is now discovering motherhood like it never existed before and beating everyone else over the head with it hard.

Oh and you are the biggest asshole on earth if you think that breastfeeding discreetly in public versus pointing your tits in everyone's face is just good manners.

Holy shit. Motherhood as opportunity to flaunt high style social values du jour? That's just nothing short of terrifying.