Strangle Spots and Nosebleeds?

[panda__bare]

I have recently become active in rough play, and I started getting those scattering of blood spots across my face, and this morning I also had a nosebleed. I guess this is typical (I dunno) but is there anything I can do to lessen these side effects? I don't want to have to give up being choked or anything else I enjoy.

 

[rosco rathbone]

THread title of week?

 

[nh23]

I have recently become active in rough play, and I started getting those scattering of blood spots across my face, and this morning I also had a nosebleed. I guess this is typical (I dunno) but is there anything I can do to lessen these side effects? I don't want to have to give up being choked or anything else I enjoy.

Holy crap! I love breath play. I know it's not something recommended, but it's an activity we choose to participate in. However if you're having these symptoms I'd say you need to stop now, or enjoy your stroke.

 

[graceanne]

Holy crap! I love breath play. I know it's not something recommended, but it's an activity we choose to participate in. However if you're having these symptoms I'd say you need to stop now, or enjoy your stroke.

Pretty much my feeling.

Have you done any research on safe(ish) breath play? You should not be strangled to the point of getting spots on your face or nosebleeds.

 

[graceanne]

Here's some good threads on breath play.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=606459&highlight=breath+play

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=393374&highlight=breath+play

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=295654&highlight=breath+play

 

[panda__bare]

Thank you' I've been reading everything and it's discouraging but I just don't know what to do. It feels so amazing..I don't know...thanks everyone.

 

[nh23]

Thank you' I've been reading everything and it's discouraging but I just don't know what to do. It feels so amazing..I don't know...thanks everyone.

The majority of the advice you're going to receive is not to do it. It's really not a safe activity. It can kill you, or leave you a vegetable. And it can do this even if you're doing it "right" or as safely as possible.

That being said some of us choose to still participate in it, knowing the risks. I think though that if you're doing it to the point you have patichiae (the small bruises,or dots) or nosebleeds, you're taking it way to far. Maybe you're not the type to tolerate it, or maybe you're doing it too much, or to roughly.

 

[Adakgirl]

I don't want to have to give up being choked or anything else I enjoy.

Do you enjoy being alive? Then you don't want to give up your life either do you? Make sure whoever is doing this to you knows what the fuc they are doing. Even then it's risky..like said...if you are having nose bleeds and blood spots rising to the surface of your skin...you are pushing to close to the edge. Those are NOT side-affects they are WARNING signs.

 

[catalina_francisco]

This is one of those things only you can decide. We have been into breath play and choking on and off over the years. A few months ago he did a very minor choke on me (in view of what he has in the past and in general) and I ended up with a nosebleed afterward and some strange nerve twitching which lasted several hours. We haven't done any since then, but he says that is more about timing and time than not planning to go there again. That being said, we are in a relationship which is already in its 7th year, and plan on many more years hopefully....if it were a casual or possibly not ongoing relationship, I would likely not be placing myself in the position of risking it. Many factors go toward making such decisions.

Catalina:caning:

 

[graceanne]

I guarantee you won't enjoy being on a respirator for the rest of your life. I'm not sure how extreme your getting with your breath play, but I wouldn't risk it. And, honestly, if he loved you I would hope he wouldn't risk it, either.

 

[Adakgirl]

Of course it is her decision, but I have to disagree with you Catalina. Whether it is a short term sexual relationship or a long term established relationship, the danger of ignoring what your body is telling you as well as the potential danger if your Dominant does not take these signs seriously... is the same.
As far as not giving up strangulation because she enjoys doing it? That is up to her. My opinion is that this type of play poses a life threatening situation for her based on the simple fact she has not bothered to educate herself about it.

From the Forensic encyclopedia:

A petechial hemorrhage is a tiny pinpoint red mark that is an important sign of asphyxia caused by some external means of obstructing the airways. They are sometimes also called petechiae. Their presence often indicates a death by manual strangulation, hanging, or smothering. The hemorrhages occur when blood leaks from the tiny capillaries in the eyes, which can rupture due to increased pressure on the veins in the head when the airways are obstructed. If petechial hemorrhages and facial congestion are present, it is a strong indication of asphyxia by strangulation as the cause of death.

Slam me if you wish, but what the OP has described is petechial hemorrhaging and it sure looks like a warning sign to me.

 

[panda__bare]

Look I didn't mean to make everyone all angsty. I'm new to this and no, I had not previously educated myself but I am now ok? I have a very high pain tolerance and there is a lot I didn't know about before. Thank you for helping me make a more educated decision before I continue (or not) with this very personal choice.

 

[Submission13]

I have recently become active in rough play, and I started getting those scattering of blood spots across my face, and this morning I also had a nosebleed. I guess this is typical (I dunno) but is there anything I can do to lessen these side effects? I don't want to have to give up being choked or anything else I enjoy.

Educate yourself and your dominant one. Good luck with this, perhaps you need to ask a medical person who is familiar with this type of play. Is there any number for kink medical information? I agree that it sounds like you are doing it to hard and too long!

 

[graceanne]

Look I didn't mean to make everyone all angsty. I'm new to this and no, I had not previously educated myself but I am now ok? I have a very high pain tolerance and there is a lot I didn't know about before. Thank you for helping me make a more educated decision before I continue (or not) with this very personal choice.

Cool. It's important to know the risks you're taking when you play, but if you know the risk and you choose to play that's your prerogative. After all that's where the whole 'RACK' thing comes in (Risk Aware Consensual Play). We just worry about people playing with things like this, and the mother hen in us comes out.

Thank you for educating yourself and have fun.

 

[Netzach]

Look I didn't mean to make everyone all angsty. I'm new to this and no, I had not previously educated myself but I am now ok? I have a very high pain tolerance and there is a lot I didn't know about before. Thank you for helping me make a more educated decision before I continue (or not) with this very personal choice.

This sounds pretty severe, and yeah, as you can tell from the posts it's something to generally avoid.

The play I do with breathing has more to do with restriction and control, bagging and tubes and things - it's probably less satisfying to someone who finds choking out really hot, but choking out is only one form of breathplay and it's the highest risk, probably.

I do know that Judo involves choking to blackout and I know that there are ways to do this regularly without being killed, but I personally don't know the details as it's not my bag, er, interest. Do you know anyone who does the sport? I might scout around and see if I could get some knowledge there.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Of course it is her decision, but I have to disagree with you Catalina. Whether it is a short term sexual relationship or a long term established relationship, the danger of ignoring what your body is telling you as well as the potential danger if your Dominant does not take these signs seriously... is the same.
As far as not giving up strangulation because she enjoys doing it? That is up to her. My opinion is that this type of play poses a life threatening situation for her based on the simple fact she has not bothered to educate herself about it.

From the Forensic encyclopedia:


Slam me if you wish, but what the OP has described is petechial hemorrhaging and it sure looks like a warning sign to me.

I guess this comes back to why you participate in this lifestyle and from which mindset. When I committed to being a TPE slave, he made me take the time to reconsider given that it was not something to which I could agree, then when I didn't like or feel like doing something, throw my hands in the air and declare time out, no fair rules. I gave up the right to make these type decisions. If I was in a casual or possibly temporary relationship I would never consider taking such a step as becoming TPE but then some are comfortable with doing that and then discarding it when it no longer suits them...I'm not into that mindset.

I am assuming the OP is not a TPE slave (but also take into consideration they may be), but also as I say, it is up to them to choose how far they are willing to go, not for us to put limits on what is right for them...I'm sure most here do not welcome limits being placed on them by those outside the relationship which then comes back to as I said, it has to their decision, not ours. And as nh23 said, we can all give the medical advice (which can be found online also) from either an informed or layman's position depending who is giving it, but from there some will still choose to take the risks, others will not, and some will have given up that choice which makes it then a moot point in terms of deciding.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Look I didn't mean to make everyone all angsty. I'm new to this and no, I had not previously educated myself but I am now ok? I have a very high pain tolerance and there is a lot I didn't know about before. Thank you for helping me make a more educated decision before I continue (or not) with this very personal choice.

Education is good, and it is also an ongoing thing. It is also important when educating to consider the sources you get your information from (for example, not everything on the net is true and reliable so several sources are recommended), and keep things in perspective. When new or trying something new, it is easy to get yourself in a panic mode about things that may or may not justify it. Everyone has a different set of guidelines depending on their experience and relationship, setting your own is important. Good luck with exploring, it is a journey of discovery.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

I guess this comes back to why you participate in this lifestyle and from which mindset. When I committed to being a TPE slave, he made me take the time to reconsider given that it was not something to which I could agree, then when I didn't like or feel like doing something, throw my hands in the air and declare time out, no fair rules. I gave up the right to make these type decisions. If I was in a casual or possibly temporary relationship I would never consider taking such a step as becoming TPE but then some are comfortable with doing that and then discarding it when it no longer suits them...I'm not into that mindset.

I am assuming the OP is not a TPE slave (but also take into consideration they may be), but also as I say, it is up to them to choose how far they are willing to go, not for us to put limits on what is right for them...I'm sure most here do not welcome limits being placed on them by those outside the relationship which then comes back to as I said, it has to their decision, not ours. And as nh23 said, we can all give the medical advice (which can be found online also) from either an informed or layman's position depending who is giving it, but from there some will still choose to take the risks, others will not, and some will have given up that choice which makes it then a moot point in terms of deciding.

Catalina

I hope for his/her/its OWN sake that the top is cognizant of what the symptoms mean, if he/she/whoever plans on playing with the same one again.

Murder 1 investigation is generally something people want to avoid only second to being dead. I'm thinking about this from that perspective, lol. Hey, if you want to drive 100mph in the hairpin turns of life, that's not my problem, but I've also seen a lot of people being pressured into totally unsafe things by the bottom and their excitement about how hot it is. Not every top is someone's lifelong TPE owner, and in fact, I'd say most aren't and most are perfectly suceptible to "let's do that again, wheee!"

 

[catalina_francisco]

I hope for his/her/its OWN sake that the top is cognizant of what the symptoms mean, if he/she/whoever plans on playing with the same one again.

Murder 1 investigation is generally something people want to avoid only second to being dead. I'm thinking about this from that perspective, lol. Hey, if you want to drive 100mph in the hairpin turns of life, that's not my problem, but I've also seen a lot of people being pressured into totally unsafe things by the bottom and their excitement about how hot it is. Not every top is someone's lifelong TPE owner, and in fact, I'd say most aren't and most are perfectly suceptible to "let's do that again, wheee!"

Catalina

 

[BiBunny]

If you can't be bothered to attempt to educate yourself before trying something like this, then I'd say the likely forthcoming Darwin Award is well-deserved.

 

[Homburg]

I do know that Judo involves choking to blackout and I know that there are ways to do this regularly without being killed, but I personally don't know the details as it's not my bag, er, interest. Do you know anyone who does the sport? I might scout around and see if I could get some knowledge there.

A lot of the grappling and MMA styles involve chokes. The problem is that chokes are not what people do during erotic asphyxiation. What they are doing are strangles, insofar as MA terminology is concerned.

Chokehold - hold restricting blood flow to the brain resulting in very rapid loss of consciousness

Stranglehold - hold preventing the flow of air to the lungs, resulting in much slower loss of consciousness

Chokeholds are "safer" because they are quick. A proper Rear Naked can have a person out in 7 seconds or so. It's tough to cause lasting trauma to nerves and blood vessels in that short of time. They also require FAR less pressure, as they are just compressing blood vessels.

Strangles require way more pressure, and way more time, as the body has a fair amount of oxygen in the bloodstream, systemically speaking. Chokes work so very fast as they cut off the O2 right where it matters (the brain) and only there.

Erotic asphyxiation works for various reasons, but the core is holding someone at that edge of consciousness during orgasm (so I understand). With a 7-second drop, you aren't going to be able to time it right. So, yeah, there's some sense to referencing Judo, Sombo, or other MA's, but it is only marginally applicable. Any instructor is going to teach you to wholeheartedly AVOID the sort of techniques that people use to kill/maim each other in the name of sexual highs.

Yes, really, 7 seconds. Half the time a properly applied choke will have you out before you realise what is going on, as it does not hurt, and does not feel much like anything at all. Well, until the lights go dim. And it can still cause injuries, convulsions, nose-bleeds, etc.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Yep, chokeholds are the more prevalent in our life, and for clarification for those who are concerned, he does know what he is doing, just not into pandering to every twinge I might get otherwise we would never do anything as my body is full of twinges 24/7 and doesn't seem to be getting any better with old age. Unfortunately he did pander last week when I was throwing up during play (not choking)...not immediately, but too soon after I threw up for the second time my liking. Nothing could convince him I should take more and as he pointed out, it wasn't for me to be deciding anyway.

Catalina

 

[VelvetDarkness]

Something we've done lately as a nod to breathplay without the risk (as I'm more at risk from harm through this than the average kinkster) is that he'll squeeze enough that I can feel it and get that thrill but not enough to physically prevent me from breathing. I will automatically hold my breath until he lets go. If I have trouble managing that, I will allow a tiny amount of air into my lungs through my nose but usually, I can hold my breath for as long as he would have choked me. Sounds a little theatrical I know but we both enjoy this kind of play too much not to try working around it. It's very reassuring to know the worst that's likely to happen is me fainting.

 

[ZRT]

Something we've done lately as a nod to breathplay without the risk (as I'm more at risk from harm through this than the average kinkster) is that he'll squeeze enough that I can feel it and get that thrill but not enough to physically prevent me from breathing. I will automatically hold my breath until he lets go. If I have trouble managing that, I will allow a tiny amount of air into my lungs through my nose but usually, I can hold my breath for as long as he would have choked me. Sounds a little theatrical I know but we both enjoy this kind of play too much not to try working around it. It's very reassuring to know the worst that's likely to happen is me fainting.

That's pretty much exactly what I go in for, except I don't even need the 'holding the breath' part. I'm satisfied with panicky looks, grabbing at my hand, and nice rattly chokey noises.

Yup, I'm easily amused.

 

[panda__bare]

That's pretty much exactly what I go in for, except I don't even need the 'holding the breath' part. I'm satisfied with panicky looks, grabbing at my hand, and nice rattly chokey noises.

Yup, I'm easily amused.

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