Guilty verdict in transgender teen murder

[Wolfman1982]

http://www.koaradio.com/pages/breaking.html?feed=124975&article=5359769

Allen Andrade,32, is found guilty of killing 18-year-old Angie Zapata. Weld County jury also finds him guilty of a hate crime.
A Weld County jury has found 32-year-old Allen Andrade guilty of first degree murder in the death of teen transgender Angie Zapata. They also found him guilty of a biased motivated crime. The jury took less than 3 hours to reach its decision. Andrade never denied killing Zapata. He beat Zapata to death with a fire extinquisher. His defense claimed he reacted with rage when he discovered that Zapata was really a man. But prosecutors said the discovery came hours before the murder.







After all there is some justice in the world.

 

[Tymeless]

sad that she died but good to hear that people are waking up and treating everyone as human beings and deserves to be honored as such.

 

[Jagged]

As I said at the time...what that man did was beyond wrong. You were with a transsexual....there are worse things in life. Just don't call her back if your so offended. Don't kill someone...I hope he enjoys prison.




Angie

 

[saudades]

While he's clearly guilty for killing him, the whole concept of charging someone with a "Hate crime" is bullshit. Why should it be treated differently than any other crime? It's the same with calling crimes "domestic violence".

Saudades

 

[Tymeless]

While he's clearly guilty for killing him, the whole concept of charging someone with a "Hate crime" is bullshit. Why should it be treated differently than any other crime? It's the same with calling crimes "domestic violence".

Saudades

The reason things are labeled differently is because they are more heinious then normal versions of a crime. Domestic violence is a lot worse then a normal assault because the person your assaulting is supposed to be someone you love. Most assaults occur over money or property but domestic violence occurs for no reason other then you can't control your anger.

A hate crime is labeled as such to draw awareness to the fact that just because you don't agree with someone's lifestyle or the color of their skin doesn't make it an acceptable reason to injure harass or kill someone. White people in the 1930's thought it was perfectly acceptable to lynch and kill black people because they were black. Most of these murders never even got investigated. Reasons like that are why certain things get labeled as hate crimes now. In a perfect world we wouldn't need a differentiation but truthfully in a perfect world we wouldn't need laws because people wouldn't commit these heinous crimes in the first place.

Another thing the person that was killed would be a She not a He please respect her wishes and the lifestyle she chose for herself. She was willing to put herself out there and be her true self even if it meant her death and unfortunately it did.

 

[beurreblanc]

The reason things are labeled differently is because they are more heinious then normal versions of a crime. Domestic violence is a lot worse then a normal assault because the person your assaulting is supposed to be someone you love. Most assaults occur over money or property but domestic violence occurs for no reason other then you can't control your anger.

A hate crime is labeled as such to draw awareness to the fact that just because you don't agree with someone's lifestyle or the color of their skin doesn't make it an acceptable reason to injure harass or kill someone. White people in the 1930's thought it was perfectly acceptable to lynch and kill black people because they were black. Most of these murders never even got investigated. Reasons like that are why certain things get labeled as hate crimes now. In a perfect world we wouldn't need a differentiation but truthfully in a perfect world we wouldn't need laws because people wouldn't commit these heinous crimes in the first place.

Another thing the person that was killed would be a She not a He please respect her wishes and the lifestyle she chose for herself. She was willing to put herself out there and be her true self even if it meant her death and unfortunately it did.

Your simple-minded bigotry was painful to read. Michigan is an at-will state, meaning you can quit a job at any time and you can be fired at any time. But they tried to make it so gays weren't included, making them ammune.
At the Lansing downtown library, the woman checking out books at the used book sale wore a t-shirt that said "Marxist Feminist pasttime... bringing boys to the yard." It had a drawing of a man hangin from a noose.
From the 1870's to the 1920's, maybe one-tenth of one percent believed in lynching, NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE.
You went to public schools didn't you.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Tymeless: don´t let the person get you, what beurreblanc doesn't understand a hate related crime means more than just racial pretext but also the phobia ridden motives that is behind the murderers, actions. And of course not all white people thought that(the lynching stuff), but well until some years ago it was still A okay to have slaves (according to some fucked up law) in one of the southern states until a black man saw the law and went to court with it. and what does Michigan have to with this case ? a woman was killed from a hateful person , and his only defence was the "I had no idea it was he", is what pisses every transgendered off. So you better understand it is called a hatecrime aka . a hate related crime. Whether the murder was motivated by gender or racial phobia, so shut the bloody up beurreblanc
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[Tymeless]

I did go to public schools. I am also white. Far from a bigot. I'm generalizing the fact that many people not all find things to be acceptable or right because someone is of a different race, sexuality, gender, ethnicity etc. then themselves. To combat that kind of thinking and show people that its not okay to think that your better then someone just because your white, or black, male, or female etc. Laws have to be inacted.

Regardless murder is a horrible crime that should always be punished to the fullest extent of the law but having hate crimes laws deters some people that aren't completely rational to realize that maybe something isn't acceptable. It doesn't stop everyone from doing something stupid or wrong. No law ever will but if they deter even one person from commiting the said crime then the law did its job. The question for any law is does the punishment fit the crime. Cutting someones hand off because they stole is a bit extreme in our culture and doesn't fit the crime. Punishing someone for commiting murder for murder as well as hate crimes i don't see what the problem is. I know your point is murder is murder and should be treated the same in all cases, but not all murders are the same. There are innocents that are murdered which we find a lot worse then someone that gets murdered because of a drug deal gone bad, or someone that gets killed for breaking into someones house etc. There are different extremes for everything.

Again in a more perfect world a murder would be treated as just a murder. Hate crimes wouldn't be needed because people wouldn't be killing other people because they are gay, black, white, transgender etc.

Think what you want about me but I know the fear I have everytime i go out dressed as my true self, I know the fear I feel everytime I come out and tell someone I'm transgender. Its a reality for someone like me to fear the fact that i could be killed for no other reason then i feel i should of been born with a vagina instead of a penis. That I could lose my job because some employer doesn't like the fact that I am transitioning, the fact that if I did lose my job as a result of such a thing that I have to decide whether to use my male name or female name on an application. Then either way I have to explain it to the employer. I will then always have to wonder if I'm not getting the job because i'm transgender or not.

Luckily for me, I'm going to have an education and a degree in zoology, as well as go on to get a masters, or go to pharmacy or medical school. I'll have degree's to fall back on with plenty of accolades to make sure that I can find a job. Most in my situation are not as lucky.

*gets off soap box*

 

[Tymeless]

Tymeless: don´t let the person get you, what beurreblanc doesn't understand a hate related crime means more than just racial pretext but also the phobia ridden motives that is behind the murderers, actions. And of course not all white people thought that(the lynching stuff), but well until some years ago it was still A okay to have slaves (according to some fucked up law) in one of the southern states until a black man saw the law and went to court with it. and what does Michigan have to with this case ? a woman was killed from a hateful person , and his only defence was the "I had no idea it was he", is what pisses every transgendered off. So you better understand it is called a hatecrime aka . a hate related crime. Whether the murder was motivated by gender or racial phobia, so shut the bloody up beurreblanc
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Thanks Wolfie. I've said my peace. I'm not going to worry about him. You actually said it better then I did I think.

I'm trying not to snap at things as much as I liked to before. I think the point of this thread may be on the verge of getting lost. Someone was convicted for murdering someone. Someone that just a few years ago most police wouldn't even investigate the crime well enough to find the killer let alone get a conviction.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Thanks Wolfie. I've said my peace. I'm not going to worry about him. You actually said it better then I did I think.

you are welcome.
You were more articulate than me about the wanker in question

I'm trying not to snap at things as much as I liked to before. I think the point of this thread may be on the verge of getting lost. Someone was convicted for murdering someone. Someone that just a few years ago most police wouldn't even investigate the crime well enough to find the killer let alone get a conviction.

The police still does not investigate it, it is just something like a single case they go in and gets straight to it, but around here (Denmark) hate crimes are not investigated very much because the police are not just GLBT phobic they are also a bunch of xenophobic racists so you have to be rich , if you want the police to do squat about it. But let us hope some justice will come in the future when another crime happens in the GLBT community, but let us hope there won´t be any killings next time. since I doubt the cops over there will do anything the next time, but maybe they would. So let us hope there is some change in the air. Since it just sucks with phobic people.

 

[Tymeless]

yeah i hear you.

Say no to death.

 

[Tymeless]

I could of always replied to him in japanese. that would of been fun, but then noone would of understood me. oh well.

 

[saudades]

Tymless,


the trouble with all of your ranting about malice and bigotry is that you're trying to legislate feelings. If someone beats me because he wants my wallet, that's a crime. If someone beats me because I'm WHITE, then that somehow, to some people, makes it so much worse. That's just weepy liberal bullshit.

I'm sorry, but I think you're dead wrong.

And replying in Japanese would have just been stupid since this is an ENGLISH board. You assume everyone went to public school and rode the short bus, right? You reek of narcissism.

 

[Safe_Bet]

....That's just weepy liberal bullshit...

Sooooo... Can you see Russia from your house too?

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Allen Andrade, murdered Angie Zapata. He murdered her not for her wallet/purse but because he hated her because of who she was. He murdered her because she was TG. He hated TG so he murdered her. Get it now???


Here let's try 'splaining it differently...

Definition:
hate crime (plural hate crimes) noun

crime motivated by hate for group: a crime that is motivated by hate, prejudice, or intolerance of somebody's religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

It's all about the motivation & intent. She is just as dead, but Allen Andrade was "motivated by hate, prejudice, or intolerance of somebody's religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation" and that is fine with me. Lock that MF'er up for the rest of his life and I hope his cell mate is a 400 lbs. leather dude that makes him his bitch.

 

[Tymeless]

Sooooo... Can you see Russia from your house too?

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Allen Andrade, murdered Angie Zapata. He murdered her not for her wallet/purse but because he hated her because of who she was. He murdered her because she was TG. He hated TG so he murdered her. Get it now???


Here let's try 'splaining it differently...

Definition:
hate crime (plural hate crimes) noun

crime motivated by hate for group: a crime that is motivated by hate, prejudice, or intolerance of somebody's religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

It's all about the motivation & intent. She is just as dead, but Allen Andrade was "motivated by hate, prejudice, or intolerance of somebody's religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation" and that is fine with me. Lock that MF'er up for the rest of his life and I hope his cell mate is a 400 lbs. leather dude that makes him his bitch.

wow that breaks it down to its simplest terms. and probably gets the point across better then i did.

I agree I hope bubba gets good use out of this guy.

 

[John Doe]

I did go to public schools. I am also white. Far from a bigot.

If you think it's okay to punish people for what they were thinking then I think that's pretty much the definition of bigotry.

 

[Tymeless]

Hate Crimes laws are intended for the federal government to be able to help an investigation or to take over an investigation where the intent of a violent crime such as murder occurs because of someones, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity etc occurs. The reason for such a law is for the federal government to protect all its citizens to make sure that investigations don't stall due to law enforcements or a communities individual biases against such people.

I think its okay to punish people that commit crimes with the intent of wronging another person just because of some misguided belief that they have the right to do something because they hated them for no other reason then the color of their skin, what genitals they have, or their sexual orientation.

I could care less if you hate black people, if you hate white people if you hate transgenders or whatever you hate as long as you don't act on that hate in a negative way. You commit no crime then your ignorance on the matter is your problem and noone elses. If you commit a crime then you deserve the punishment. Punishments are there as nothing but a deterent. Punishments do nothing to stop what has already occured but they are there to set an example to prevent other people from commiting the same crime so it doesn't happen again. In some cases I am sure the punishment is also a form of vengence. I'm for the deterence of all violent crimes as long as it doesn't completely infringe on someones rights. Hate crimes do not infringe on someones rights unless that someone commits a hate crime. So I see no problems with it.

In the end someone was murdered. That person can't get their life back. That family can't get their loved one back. That person's friend can't get their friend back. What they can get out of this is a sense that the person that did it is paying for a crime. Does it really matter if they got a few extra years in jail because they commited it out of hate. Oh wait murder in general is something we punish by the intent of the murderer. If it was an accident then they usually get a lesser sentence whereas if they intended to kill the person they get a longer sentence or life.

I guess i'll just sound like a broken record on this and no matter what I say I won't sway you to see things my way, but try being a minority where these kinds of things occur against people like you for no reason other then hate and see how you feel about hate crimes.