sub/dom poems are all crap poems because bdsm is just a fetish and blah blah blah

[WriterDom]

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=417316

Anyone else agree with bflagsst?

Now I'll concede that there is a lot of very bad bdsm poetry around. There is bad poetry everywhere. But RisiaSkye and WickedEve are crap? Plus many others that I can't remember at the moment.


If you are going to be that critical, I think you should open your own stuff up for public comments. Nuff said.

 

[WickedEve]

sub/dom poems are all crap poems because bdsm is just a fetish and nothing that affects the feelings necessary for artistic expression.
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That's just one opinion and a partially inaccurate opinion. For many it's not just a fetish. It's not just about sex and pain. It is a way of life. Obviously this bflagsst doesn't entirely understand.

Okay, most sub/dom poems on the internet are crap. Not all, but most. Not because they are sub/dom poems. They are simply written by people who aren't poets. They are "i love you Master. Beat me. W/we are one." kind of poems. I hate most "goddess" "unicorn" "I write from the heart" poems. They tend to be written by non poets.

But there are good bdsm poems, good unicorn poems, etc.

bflagsst, come on and post and give us some chat about all this.

 

[WickedEve]

bdsm can inspire poetry -- and the poem doesn't have to be just a whip-me-tie-me-up poem. I live a bdsm life. That part of my life does inspire my poetry. Spiders inspire poetry. My kids inspire it. My hair is inspiration. Dead squirrels.

BDSM-themed poetry can be lovely, subtle, be anything the poet makes it.

Bruised Thigh
by WickedEve©

In sleep's blue scene
(after late showing of Le Jour Se Leve)
he questions midday,
abundant in her bedroom.

"The winter sun is gentle,"
lies soft in her mouth.
Still, he prefers a bit of shadow.

She draws closed the curtains and we wonder
what her skin would have confessed
in a slow wash of light.

-

copyright d. dixon
2006


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Maybe the above doesn't really qualify as a bdsm poem.

How about:
Wrapped Around His Wrist

The Come-Down Rain

Because I Have The Power

I have others and I know some good poets here do also. Please share.

 

[Tzara]

But there are . . . good unicorn poems, etc.

Example, please?

 

[WickedEve]

Example, please?

um...
well...
Well, there just has to be! Where's Champy?

 

[Tzara]

um...
well...
Well, there just has to be! Where's Champy?

Champ writes unicorn poems?

Maybe I'd better rethink this gunfight thing.

 

[WickedEve]

Champ writes unicorn poems?

Maybe I'd better rethink this gunfight thing.

I read something she recently posted. I think it was about a pooping unicorn...

 

[Tzara]

Think of the comment this way:

________ poems are all crap poems because ________ is/are just a/an ________ and nothing that affects the feelings necessary for artistic expression.​

Hey! Fill in the blanks with your own inartistic interest:

• love, love, illusion
• religious, thoughts of God, crock
• lyric, the world, clockwork
• philosophical, truth, contradiction
• sex, intercourse, extremely rare event
• sports, athleticism, drag on society
• nature, the biosphere, the biosphere
• candy, sweets, abomination
• heartfelt, your heart, boring thing
• art, words, words

Enough belaboring the point, I think (though feel free to fill in the blanks with your own ideers).

I would agree that most BDSM-themed poems that are posted to Lit are bad. Very bad. Grind your molars bad.

I've written some myself, probably.

But a statement that seems to state they are more or less impossible to write seems very young to me. I don't know how else to put it.

 

[Tzara]

I read something she recently posted. I think it was about a pooping unicorn...

A scat unicorn poem?

I'm . . . enthralled.

 

[WickedEve]

scat unicorn,
skeep beep de bop bop beep bop,
that your horn?

 

[Tzara]

scat unicorn,
skeep beep de bop bop beep bop,
that your horn?

That's a jazz poem, so it doesn't count.

I was thinking more of something like

Now, Hera's hornèd equus passed
Some partiálly processed grass
Onto this sylvan football field.
It's horse crap, but of divine yield.​

You know, more classy crap.

 

[Tzara]

bflagsst, come on and post and give us some chat about all this.

I have probably been remiss in stating that I respect bflagsst's opinion (though that username is a problem: dude, that is way hard to get right--too many consonants), though I disagree with his conclusions. At least theoretically.

My initial impressions of his statement are different, is all. So I'd like some dialogue on this, too.

Let's talk, bud. Argue. Discuss. How we (or, at least I) learn stuff.

 

[Netzach]

you can make excellent or sucktastic art about anything, so why SM is any different I don't know.

 

[Tzara]

you can make excellent or sucktastic art about anything, so why SM is any different I don't know.

Yes. My opinion exactly (and more succinctly phrased that I would likely be, being that I'm a wordy sort).

Thanks.

 

[satindesire]

/Random/

Yes. My opinion exactly (and more succinctly phrased that I would likely be, being that I'm a wordy sort).

Thanks.

Cool av.

/end random/

 

[annaswirls]

Hmm. Interesting. My initial thought was "hey, he didn't really say that, it must be an exaggeration for a point.." but um, no, he Did!

so.

I agree. Most BDSM poetry is crap. I am sorry to say it. I think that many people who write it are poseurs in part, or just exploring, so the poetry does not really get to the human being, just the surface, the stereotype. Many all seem to be the same things rearranged.

I like the poetry in which it is apparent that beneath it all the sub is actually the one in power. It makes it more interesting. It makes me uncomfortable when it seems that the sub really believes that they are unworthy, less of a person, being taken advantage of, etc. I am not being critical of the lifestyle in general, to each his own. HERE-- I came back to add this link to the exact example I was thinking of.

Best of all, BDSM poems that have the hint, the flavor of power play, etc. without "in your facing it" ~ not because I think it is something that should be hidden, but because it is boring without a larger context (just like any sex poetry)

So I suppose it might be better to say Most Sex poetry is crap.

 

[annaswirls]

Think of the comment this way:

________ poems are all crap poems because ________ is/are just a/an ________ and nothing that affects the feelings necessary for artistic expression.​

Hey! Fill in the blanks with your own inartistic interest:

• love, love, illusion
• religious, thoughts of God, crock
• lyric, the world, clockwork
• philosophical, truth, contradiction
• sex, intercourse, extremely rare event
• sports, athleticism, drag on society
• nature, the biosphere, the biosphere
• candy, sweets, abomination
• heartfelt, your heart, boring thing
• art, words, words

Enough belaboring the point, I think (though feel free to fill in the blanks with your own ideers).

I love you and your mad-libs ways....


Think of the comment this way:

Confessional poems are all crap poems because your life exploited is just a one way trip to death with scenery only you care about and nothing that affects the feelings necessary for artistic expression.


It would also work with MY poems are all crap poems because MY life explored/exploited etc​

 

[annaswirls]

Yes, this is a lovely poem, you are a talented exception. But I do not know if I would consider this as standard BDSM poem.... I mean, you did not capitalize the right pronouns, etc.

Are all poems that are written by those in the BDSM lifestyle considered BDSM poetry? How does one define BDSM poetry? Is it like on Amazon, if you are gay, suddenly anything you write must be Gay Literature?

Just rolling it around in my mind.

bdsm can inspire poetry -- and the poem doesn't have to be just a whip-me-tie-me-up poem. I live a bdsm life. That part of my life does inspire my poetry. Spiders inspire poetry. My kids inspire it. My hair is inspiration. Dead squirrels.

BDSM-themed poetry can be lovely, subtle, be anything the poet makes it.

Bruised Thigh
by WickedEve©

In sleep's blue scene
(after late showing of Le Jour Se Leve)
he questions midday,
abundant in her bedroom.

"The winter sun is gentle,"
lies soft in her mouth.
Still, he prefers a bit of shadow.

She draws closed the curtains and we wonder
what her skin would have confessed
in a slow wash of light.

-

copyright d. dixon
2006


------------------------------------

Maybe the above doesn't really qualify as a bdsm poem.

How about:
Wrapped Around His Wrist

The Come-Down Rain

Because I Have The Power

I have others and I know some good poets here do also. Please share.

 

[annaswirls]

Maybe the above doesn't really qualify as a bdsm poem.

Oops I missed that the first read.

How about:
Wrapped Around His Wrist

Damn girl! I did not read that one before, you are the master.

I have others and I know some good poets here do also. Please share.

 

[Netzach]

Yes, this is a lovely poem, you are a talented exception. But I do not know if I would consider this as standard BDSM poem.... I mean, you did not capitalize the right pronouns, etc.

Are all poems that are written by those in the BDSM lifestyle considered BDSM poetry? How does one define BDSM poetry? Is it like on Amazon, if you are gay, suddenly anything you write must be Gay Literature?

Just rolling it around in my mind.

Most fetish photography isn't Mapplethorpe or Doris Kloster. That doesn't preclude the possibility that it can be.

 

[champagne1982]

A scat unicorn poem?

I'm . . . enthralled.

The Ugly Side Of Fairy Tales is not classy at all. And I know I don't need to remind YOU of this tasteful example of my classy writing .

 

[annaswirls]

You know, bgflaggsst, I really hope you do not take this thread as a general complaint about your comments. I have found them to be very helpful, thoughtful and I would miss them if they ceased.

 

[bflagsst]

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=417316

Anyone else agree with bflagsst?

Now I'll concede that there is a lot of very bad bdsm poetry around. There is bad poetry everywhere. But RisiaSkye and WickedEve are crap? Plus many others that I can't remember at the moment.


If you are going to be that critical, I think you should open your own stuff up for public comments. Nuff said.

My stuff is open for comments, any of the public can read my poems and send me an email via feedback and tell me I'm crap. I've already sent you an email using said method of feedback, apologizing for the one-liner. I've actually been commenting a lot on bdsm poetry the last week, I thought you were the one whom I recommended reading wickedeve, annaswirls, epmd607, pandoraglitters, angeline, and me. Eve hurt my feelings above, saying she didn't know me (sad smile face) Here is one of the comments I made on a bdsm poem that I ask you to accept as a continuation of my general statement/comment on your poem(this specific one was for one of taunus' gems

"tag in -- nothing personal
04/20/09 by bflagsst

But you don't understand the beauty of a sub/dom relationship or its true expression. The only female that submits her purest form is the one whom you make love to in a committed relationship. The degradation within bondage games are only that of the fetish(superficial) a temporary stimulation. Copulation between man and woman is an act of natural domination, there is the one who penetrates and the one whom is penetrated. Everything you describe in your poems and stories are just layers of twisted porno garbage, something that can't stand up to the simple act of a woman wholly opening herself up to a man that she trusts and wants to be possessed(penetrated) by."

I've read just about every new poem every day for the past six months, and unfortunately, bdsm fetish poems lead the league. I don't recall reading any others by you writerdom, usually I read a bunch before I criticize one poet. The Eve poem quoted above is what I'm talking about in terms of using poetry to say something personal and with feeling. Yours is a fetish poem, it's not about whole beings, as are all bdsm poems I've read. When you describe the fetish you're not describing the people, Eve isn't describing a fetish in the selection above.

post-script: Darkmaas is still a rubbish poet, SennaJawa is still a rubbish old man.

 

[Senna Jawa]

I suppose it might be better to say Most Sex poetry is crap.

I suppose it might be better to say most poetry is crap.

 

[WriterDom]

Most everything I write is crap but occasionally I surprise myself. To write decent poetry I have to write everyday. Most of my writing in the last two years has been panty-wetting fluff on the blog where I have developed a decent following. My silly idea is to one day turn it into a commercial venture when and if I get about 400 dedicated followers.

I think anyone who writes even the most godawful poem is a poet. Maybe a really bad poet but a poet none the less. That's why I don't critique anyone unless they ask for it.

I just don't like seeing bdsm attacked. We're a little cliquish as Eve would tell you on our forum. Most are when you think about it. But if you stick around long enough you'll find we are really decent accepting people who (rarely) fight about anything. They put up with me and that says a lot.