JFK and Vietnam

sr71plt

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Attended a fascinating session at the Virginia Festival of the Book this afternoon at the Miller Center (the think tank that's transcribing the JFK presidential tapes).

It was James G. Blight and Janet M. Lang, the authors of Vietnam: If Kennedy Had Lived and producers of the new documentary movie Virtual JFK: Vietnam if Kennedy Had Lived. (They were similarly the book authors and producers of the 2004 Academy Award-winning domumentary The Fog of War: Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara).

Their hypothesis is that the United States would not have entered a Vietnam War militarily (boots on ground) if Kennedy had continued in office. They have an interesting Web site on this at www.virtualjfk.com.

What was particularly fascinating about this was the Miller Center involvement, which has brought a large number of former policy wonks and political scholars to this region (and is partly why I'm here). The discussions of the event were quite deep and scholarly and on two occasions, they were settling on what did/did not occur in some JFK meeting on Vietnam. In one, they were mulling a cable coming from the U.S. Embassy in Saigon in May 1963, and Don Neuchterlein piped up from the audicence and said he was in the embassy then and helped write that cable so he knew what was in it. And at another point, they were wrangling on when McNamara knew something from intell, and Rufus P___, the CIA point man on Vietnam at the time, spoke up from the audience to say that McNamara jolly well did know that information at that point because Rufus had told him that himself. Neither disputed, however, that Kennedy was dragging his feet on getting militarily involved in Vietnam right up until his death.

So, if the topic interests you, look for the book and the movie.
 
Thanks for this, it is a subject I'm interested in and enjoy.
 
Without a doubt, we would have either never gotten involved or would have had a much later entrance into, the Vietnam war is Kennedy had lived.

That's why Lyndon Johnson and friends had JFK assassinated. Johnson moved on Vietnam quite rapidly after Kennedy was pronounced dead. No real surprise, there; Johnson was an evil man in the vein of Franklin Roosevelt, though admittedly not nearly as charismatic.
 
Thanks sr71plt

Most interesting, I'll look out for the book and movie.

Viet Nam changed my life and outlook on our Government. I landed in QuinNhon a wide eyed neophyte and left Saigon a surly cynic.

Fuck the Army, Fuck LBJ, was my attitude to the whole affair.

That said, however JFK was being pushed by the Right to be, "Hard on Communisim,: perhaps he would have pressed for more Specials Forces and not the "Invasion of '65."

If the Sneaky Pete's had run the war instead of the Leg Army of Ring Knocking assholes, perhaps we might have won the war, without it costing us so dearly to lose.

Just as Iraq was going down the Shitter and Patreaus changed tactics to pull our dick's out of the dirt, the key issue is not "Why" we invaded, but "What we did to win the hearts and minds of the people" in Iraq.

I suspect that there are very few Iraqi's that are grateful to the USA for their liberation just now. I suspect that will change when we pull out our troops.
 
Oh and I heard Karside (sp? Pres. Afgahanistan) ask for a change in tactics in Afghanistan.

Seems he wants a less lethal approach to counter insurgency. Ever since the Leg's showed up waving their dicks and shooting anything the moved, We have just fueled the insurgency in Afghanistan.

By the Way, Fuck LBJ!

Ahhh that felt good.:D
 
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