"The Fate of the Republic."

[Byron In Exile]

The fate of the Republic was sealed on September 11, 2001.

The USA has been taking on water ever since.

Not really. You've been skating on thin ice ever since, and that ice just cracked.

You can dance away on your wishes of the demise of United States, everfore, but it won't change the fact that the fate of one's country is tied to that of the US.

Any Canadian to wants to send the US down sends Canada down as well.

Let's all understand where "Lance" is coming from, shall we?

So, from whence, now, Lance, shall we?

This is as good a thread as any. Do it all in one post.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Timocracy may never get off the ground.

Let us hope not!

 

[Byron In Exile]

There goes Canada.

 

[KingOrfeo]

They will not take that away so it is a mute point. Do you think they want women dying in back alleys or from unknown infections???

In preference to the existence of legal abortion clinics? Yes. The "pro-lifers" definitely would prefer that.

 

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[Byron In Exile]

That's his saving grace; the history and the fact that we have a clean, articulate President who can read to the people in a manner that makes them think he's talking to them.

Obama is a tool. That's the best political adivece I can give you.

(Very clever. Most of them do not talk to their people before they betray them.)

 

[Byron In Exile]

Am I the next one to get "teken out"?

I even punctuated it correctly.

 

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[Byron In Exile]

Oh, bloody hell...

 

[KingOrfeo]

You didn't get it either.

I know what timocracy is. We want none of that here. Or were you making a pun on Tim Geithner or something?

 

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[Byron In Exile]

Reagan the prophet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lSbp31Cow&feature=channel_page

Reagan was no prophet.

His message was rejected in 1964, with Barry Goldwater.

It was rejected as early and as well in 1796, with the worm John Adams.

But then affirmed with the election of Thomas Jefferson as President of the United States. How that miracle happened, I do not know.



There were only two final architects of the US Constitution.

The first was James Madison, the second, Thomas Jefferson.

But to understand the second, one had to understand the thought of the first.

The former the latter understood, and then applied his intellect the issue. The result was the Constitution which was generally of the outcome of debate of several people, but Madison always knew the destination. You can read it in his notes of the conferences of 1787. Madison, in spite of Hamilton, and with the guidance of Jefferson, wrote our Constitution.

And, what we call the "Bill of Rights" is largely because of Madison. Hamilton argued, in the Federalist Papers, that such "bills of rights" would seem to grant powers to the Federal government not granted by the Constitution. How interesting that he longed for the power he argued so well against.

Thank God Madison was a friend of Jefferson and not Hamilton.

I smile every time I pay for anything with a $20 bill.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I smile every time I pay for anything with a $20 bill.

That's Jackson on the $20 bill. (Jefferson is on the $2 bill, Hamilton on the $10, Madison on nothing.)

 

[KingOrfeo]

Madison, in spite of Hamilton, and with the guidance of Jefferson, wrote our Constitution.

I presume you mean "guidance" strictly in the sense of inspiration, as Jefferson was in France at the time of the Convention.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Reagan the prophet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lSbp31Cow&feature=channel_page

Sorry, I probably should be more patient. I didn't really like Reagan very much.

Probably anyone who manages to get elected as President now, I will hate with all my heart.

Maybe this is what AJ means when he says I'm being mean.

I think, basically, I get impatient.

Ever see Ron Howard's "Apollo 13"?

I have a lot of patience with a film like that.

 

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[Byron In Exile]

That's Jackson on the $20 bill. (Jefferson is on the $2 bill, Hamilton on the $10, Madison on nothing.)

The only President to ever pay off the National Debt.

He meant business.

(Yeah, don't bother me with pocket change)

Hamilton I don't notice too much. That $10 piece of shit can go hang.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Probably anyone who manages to get elected as President now, I will hate with all my heart.

!!! That's as much as to say you hate the American people with all your heart!

 

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[Byron In Exile]

That's Jackson on the $20 bill. (Jefferson is on the $2 bill, Hamilton on the $10, Madison on nothing.)

Dude, that's it? Madison isn't on a bill?

Fuck. You make me want to throw a book at you.

Do you even know what a book is??

That was a serious question, btw.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Those $2 and $5 United States Notes still in circulation are the only real money we ever printed.

Don't tell the kids, cuz, they actually don't know what real money is.

It might hurt their feelings to find out the a hundred dollars doesn't mean that.

It means: a hundred Federal Reserve Notes.

"But.. what does that mean, daddy?"

Well, girl, basically it means nothing. Sorry, but your future is being stolen.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Hamilton I don't notice too much. That $10 piece of shit can go hang.

I presume that is because in your mind Jefferson stands for small government and decentralized goverment and libertarianism and Hamilton for the opposite of all that. But, there were some things, you know, about which Hamilton was right and Jefferson was wrong. The most important is that Jefferson wanted the U.S. to remain an agrarian nation forever, while Hamilton saw the potential for industrialization. Check out Hamilton's Republic, by Michael Lind (ed.). It's a crime (as such things go) that Jefferson has a stately memorial in Washington and Hamilton doesn't.

 

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[Byron In Exile]

Sadly, none are redeemable in "Lawful Money"

Roosevelt outlawed lawful money.

Every day that I wake up and realize he's dead, it makes me happy.

I've never told anyone that, but it's true.

One less demon to face.