There will be war.

[JohnnySavage]

Russia has always looked at us as a threat. China hates us also.

This is all in Nostradamus book.

Do the Mayan's concur?

 

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[Medikated]

So why would they want to station Russian bombers on their soil if they didn't want to become a target?

Who is they? The Russians?

 

[KingOrfeo]

The point is, to let them learn the lessons of their anti-freedom idealism and let it work a corruption of blood to say five generations or so. Get it?

No. Any lessons they haven't already learned, they will learn from events having nothing to do with the embargo or its absence, and what's this nonsense about "corruption of blood"?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Russia has always looked at us as a threat. China hates us also.

Any U.S.-Russian tension at this point is mainly due to America's attitude, and China needs us as a trading partner.

This is all in Nostradamus book.

 

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[JohnnySavage]

Are you unfamiliar with the term? Read the Constitution. I've simply expanded the concept to encompass whole generations. Let Cuba be a monument to the failure of Communism, they've made their bed.

Do you also advocate an embargo of China?

 

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[JohnnySavage]

No, the Chinese aren't in our backyard. The Cubans invited an arch enemy to install their nuclear weapons on their territory and aim them at our country with a time to target so short as to nullify out defenses. Fuck 'em.

The whole world is now in our backyard with today's military technology.

How can anyone justify trading with Vietnam but not Cuba? The fastest way to "convert" Cuba is to open trade and put a McDonald's on every corner of Havana.

 

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[JohnnySavage]

Not without reparations. Make them pay for what they stole. Until that happens they can continue to cut their piston rings out of cast iron pipe.

I'm not inclined to care much about the Miami Cubans who cut and ran 50 years ago and US corporations that lost property... well, shit happens and that's a risk of doing business. Opening trade will open a market and the result will be a net gain for US corporations.

 

[Medikated]

So why would they want to station Russian bombers on their soil if they didn't want to become a target?

Money.... but it's one thing if they were one of our allies. But we've had a boycott on them for decades, they are a struggling nation, what do you want them to do? So far we've given them no hope that we will open relations. The Bama was of course, ambigious on the subject....not sure where he stands

 

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[JohnnySavage]

Lot of folks executed down there who didn't "cut and run" Johnny. May I ask your age? Did you live through the Missile Crisis?

I'm... 50(ish) but lets keep that a secret so as not to diminish my chances at the e-lovin with the young hotties.


The Bay of Pigs was a long time ago. We've gotten over much worse in the past half century. Hell, I see people driving around in German cars for god's sake!

The fact of the matter is that a Russian submarine sitting off the coast of Jersey could hit DC with nuclear armed cruise missiles in about 1/2 an hour. Bombers in Cuba are like a trebuchet in Mexico.

 

[Medikated]

I think you need to go back and understand why all of this happened in the first place. I have a long memory and so has had every President since. It's not our job to prop up an enemy who wishes us ill. Let them renounce their Communism, establish freedom, pay for the property they stole, and I'll think about it. No need to worry though, Obama is going to kiss their ass fairly soon. It's not going to matter what I think.

exactly the reason why we don't have relations. Come on, its Cuba....known for their beaches and fast women and donkey bars....

 

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[Ishmael]

You know, no post-Castro government, whatever form it takes, is going to have the slightest interest in restoring any of that property. No Miami Cubans are never going to get granddad's sugar plantation back.

So what's the point of maintaining the embargo? It does no good to Cubans, no good to Americans, and will never destabilize the Castro regime. And citing Castro's expropriations after the Revolution is a piss-poor reason.

It has nothing to do with any Cuban exiles.

When they pay for the property stolen, with interest, then they'll be allowed back in the store.

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[Medikated]

Come on it's the enemy...known for their oppression of men women and children and their hatred of individual freedom. Let it die and be reborn.

I'd rather develop Baja California.

Baja is already being developed....

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Are you unfamiliar with the term? Read the Constitution.

Yes, I'm familiar with the term; it is mentioned in the Constitution (the original text, before the BOR was added) only for the purpose of making it expressly unconstitutional. Hence, "nonsense."

I've simply expanded the concept to encompass whole generations. Let Cuba be a monument to the failure of Communism, they've made their bed.

So, it's not enough for Communism to prove a failure on its own merits, we have to place an extra burden on Communist countries and their people as a matter of U.S. government policy just so everybody gets the message? That's indefensible.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Come on it's the enemy...known for their oppression of men women and children and their hatred of individual freedom. Let it die and be reborn.

It will, it will, but not the way the Warsaw Pact countries of Eastern Europe did. After the Castros, the Cuban people, if given a free democratic choice, are still going to want, and are still going to have, socialism in some form or other. And there's no reason why they shouldn't.