Working Journalists finally wake up to Socialism, Obama style.

[amicus]

Fox was first, as that network usually is, but the New York Times, CBS, NBC, ABC and their cable offspring have finally begun to address the possibility that they have to deal with Socialism right here in River City.

Black Liberation Theology is Marxist and also the Church of Choice of the new Prez...no surprise there, told you so, but to hear it elsewhere, ah, well, a long time coming.

It will not be a level playing surface, not even on the 'fair and balanced' bullshit Fox moderators, how do you balance good against evil?

Tilted to the Left it be as the conversation begins with the public perception that Government should provide Health Care, Day Care and, in general, a 'safety net' for its' citizens.

The Ecological and Environmental Brigades are fully armed as few even question the 'right' of government to subsidize 'green energy' in direct competition to the existing energy suppliers, with taxes confiscated from the energy industry to finance the new 'green' ventures; the public perceives this as a necessary evil to combat pollution and , erk, "Global Warming", as if natural climate change can be much affected by the works of man.

Anyways....much to the glee and near hysterical happiness of the denizens of Lit, the Nanny State has arrived in black face and is not going away any time soon.

Are we havin' fun yet?

Amicus....

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Who put what in your orange juice this morning?

 

[amicus]

Vodka, like always, sumpin wrong with that?



ami

 

[JackLuis]

It's probably a good thing that Obama is a "socialist" because a true Conservative Capitalist would tell Wall Street to "let the Market make adjustments" and let the rats drown in their own cesspool.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

It's probably a good thing that Obama is a "socialist" because a true Conservative Capitalist would tell Wall Street to "let the Market make adjustments" and let the rats drown in their own cesspool.

Kind of like what happened in '29 or in the collapse of the Dutch Tulip Mania?

 

[amicus]

Yes and no, I think...most of those knowledgeable with the subject lay the basic cause of the economic failure to Federal policies concerning the Mortgage institutions, Fannie and Freddie.

No private lender would grant loans to those not expected to repay them, or if they did, they would not be in business any appreciable amount of time.

Yes, because the market would adjust to the environment with the profit motive underlying and supporting the decisions.

More than a generation has been taught to cringe when even the word, 'profit', is mentioned, I think it is a hangover from old Judeau Christian ethics concerning usury in lending.

That's shame in many ways, because a return on an investment, be it time, energy or money is a virtue, a valuable thing to most.

I, on the other hand, cringe every time I hear or read, 'non-profit', that means someone is lying and stealing and that they desire to cover their tracks with altruistic gibberings.

Amicus...

 

[Carnevil9]

In a way, Amicus, BHO is a breath of fresh air. When GWB plunged his Socialist knife into the heart of Capitalist America, it caught many by surprise (not yours truly, of course, but many).

Now, with BHO, at least we know his true colors from the git-go, and are not surprised by his attempts to Nationalize our entire economy......Carney (who, like Rush Limbaugh, hopes desperately that he fails, allowing America to thrive)

 

[DesertPirate]

It's probably a good thing that Obama is a "socialist" because a true Conservative Capitalist would tell Wall Street to "let the Market make adjustments" and let the rats drown in their own cesspool.

Why does our money have to be used for their bad decisions? 27 banks failed last year and the FDIC covered them, that is money the banks pay in, not taxpayer money. Does anyone really care if Citi goes under? I don't! If GM files for bankruptcy they might get a leadership team that can actually run the company. What is wrong with that? Damn near every airline has been in bankruptcy in the last 20 years, some make it some don't. The same should hold true for banks and automakers. There is nobody that's to big to fail and if the unions don't like it, tough shit!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The question I always ask myself is, WHAT HAS TO BE TRUE FOR ANY OF THIS TO MAKE SENSE.

Lotsa things happen that the average Joe is unsawre of. And when politicians get on tv and talk shit, Joe is puzzled, because what he's told doesnt match what he experiences.

Take Hitler as an example.

When he invaded Russia everyone thought he'd lost his mind. No one but a mad man would start another war in the middle of a war with Britain.

And no one (but Hitler) knew that Stalin was organizinng his military to invade Germany. Hitler caught Stalin with his pants down.

 

[Liar]

And no one (but Hitler) knew that Stalin was organizinng his military to invade Germany. Hitler caught Stalin with his pants down.

And he still got fucked.

 

[amicus]

"Card Check Law", is now before Congress...MSNBC's Chris Mathews in an interview, "I support Unions", wonders, doubts if Democrats have the 60 votes for cloture....we shall see...

http://www.unionfacts.com/cardcheck/whatIsCardcheck.cfm

http://www.unionfacts.com/cardcheck/introduction.cfm

After the 2006 union-funded campaign that spent an estimated $100 million of members’ dues to successfully recapture Congress for Democrats, the headlines blared: “US unions want election success payback,” “Labor sees opening to reverse declines,” “Labor to push agenda in Congress it helped elect.” Union officials’ top priority? Ending the secret ballot elections process and the associated protections for employees choosing whether to join a union. In March 2007, House Democrats quickly approved the so-called Employee Free Choice Act.

Facing declining membership, union officials have turned to the highly questionable practice of organizing new members through a process called “card check.” With card checks, paid union organizers seek to pressure workers to sign cards saying that they support union representation. This persuasion has been documented as frequently including deception, coercion, and harassing visits to workers’ homes.

~~~~~~~~~~~

If passed, say goodbye to discount stores like WalMart and Dollar Store and say hello to higher prices for all goods and services.

And say hello to Union Mob rule like it used to be.

Amicus...

 

[WRJames]

The question I always ask myself is, WHAT HAS TO BE TRUE FOR ANY OF THIS TO MAKE SENSE.

Lotsa things happen that the average Joe is unsawre of. And when politicians get on tv and talk shit, Joe is puzzled, because what he's told doesnt match what he experiences.

Take Hitler as an example.

When he invaded Russia everyone thought he'd lost his mind. No one but a mad man would start another war in the middle of a war with Britain.

And no one (but Hitler) knew that Stalin was organizinng his military to invade Germany. Hitler caught Stalin with his pants down.

I had a Russian friend who believed that also. Russia had the best tanks and the best airplanes.

As for what is actually happening -- two things to consider. The first is something that I learned in my second year accounting course. There are "assets" on a company's balance sheet of questionable value. This includes inventory that is never going to sell, and accounts receivable that are never going to be paid. There are employees on a company's payroll of questionable value, plants or store locations that are underperforming. In short, companies need to prune. But in good times, pruning looks bad. It might drive down apparent earnings and the stock price. So companies wait until someone declares recession. Then everyone does all their pent up pruning. They write off all their questionable assets. They lay off their excess employees. They close underperforming locations or divisions. There is a sudden flood of bad news. A lot of this is not new news -- it's stuff that's been building up for years.

Another thing I hear from my friends who work in the financial industry -- and I really don't know all the details -- is that there was a change in accounting rules. So for example, when AIG is reporting its huge losses, some of those are paper losses resulting from a different way of valuing its assets.

Of course, these hidden factors just add to the general panic.

One final thought is that with our consumer economy we really have had the tiger by the tail -- everyone needs to buy more and more to keep things going. Eventually everyone has too many things and not enough money, and it all collapses.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

WRJAMES

Yep, a Russian professor did the research and found all the incriminating documents for Stalin's planned invasion. He wanted to roll all the way to the English Channel. What a fiasco it became.

According to the book, Russian tanks were superior to the German models in terms of their armor, speed, and guns BUT!!! the goddamned junk couldnt go more than a 100 miles without breaking down. Apparently the engines, transmissions, etc. were crap.

Because of the intended invasion, Stalin had 100s of aircraft parked at airfields along the Polish border. Then he murdered the commander of the air force for that area because the guy complained about Stalin's idiot interference. Hitler caught the planes on the ground.

 

[amicus]

"...everyone needs to buy more and more to keep things going. Eventually everyone has too many things and not enough money, and it all collapses..."

~~~

That tired old cliche has been around since the 30's and even lately used in a high tech movie with Bruce Willis, I think, the young computer hacker said it almost word for word.

The Ford Edsel is just one of a million products you never heard of because the public wasn't buying. Companies/corporations, continue to exist because they meet the public's demand for good and services, not the other way around.

People want things, even thing the government says they can't have...they go to great means to acquire those things they desire.

You want a real revolution? Run out of, or ban chocolate and coca cola; the women would revolt over night....heh....(I did good!)

Amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Youre correct.

I keep mentioning a book UTOPIAS ELSEWHERE by Anthony Daniels MD. His parents were communists and he traveled to all of the workers utopias, plus Africa and South America.

Once the government and coporations marry up, you suddenly have one beer brand to drink, one shoe company, one of everything. Then they start filling leaking glass jars with gray fruits and veggies. And if you wanna go anyplace, you hitch a ride on a tip-cart pulled by an ancient Russian tractor.

Cuban restaurants offer one entre: black beans and rice. Tomato slices are for tourists only.

Its not what we'll like, but it is what we want.

 

[DesertPirate]

Card Check - Lets take away the right to a secret ballot in the work place, we will do it in more places later.

 

[amicus]

The new President signed the budget bill, with over 8,000 'Earmarks', in Private, today, with no cameras or press in attendance.

At almost the same instant the incumbent President shouted, 'no more earmarks!'

What am I missing here?

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

We live in a bizarre time.

 

[Liar]

What do you mean "time"? Make that "world" and you're closer to the truth.

 

[sr71plt]

The new President signed the budget bill, with over 8,000 'Earmarks', in Private, today, with no camera's or press in attendance.

At almost the same instant the incumbent President shouted, 'no more earmarks!'

What am I missing here?

Amicus

You're missing all of the discussion that came after that on how the administration planned to initiate change to the system (which a Republican senator later rightly said was a Congress failing that Congress itself should fix--that it shouldn't be the administration's responsibility to fix)--bringing it all out into the open--and how they planned to chip away at the earmarks in the current bill--which account for between 1 and 2 percent of the whole.

But by then you had your ears and mind closed--again.

 

[DesertPirate]

You're missing all of the discussion that came after that on how the administration planned to initiate change to the system (which a Republican senator later rightly said was a Congress failing that Congress itself should fix--that it shouldn't be the administration's responsibility to fix)--bringing it all out into the open--and how they planned to chip away at the earmarks in the current bill--which account for between 1 and 2 percent of the whole.

But by then you had your ears and mind closed--again.

He could have initiated the change with a veto.
Since he didn't, why would anyone believe what he says from here on out?
I know that is too simple for any Dem to understand, they want something long and convoluted and three times as expensive!

 

[sr71plt]

He could have initiated the change with a veto.
Since he didn't, why would anyone believe what he says from here on out?
I know that is too simple for any Dem to understand, they want something long and convoluted and three times as expensive!

Yep, and if you remember, I said I thought he should--to shake everything up and tell everyone to get serious.

That, of course, is easy for you and me to say. If he decided that we didn't have time for games and needed to try to get this Bush administration mess (in a poll yesterday 84% said this was a Bush adminstration mess that Obama inherited), it's logical for him to double back on it.

I've also said there were ways he could double back on it. And if you bothered to listen to his speech today, you would have heard some of that being asserted.

That said, the earmarks in the current bill are between 1 and 2 percent of the whole--proportionally miniscule in a program that needs to get off the ground if this is the approach the United States has chosen to take (and it is the approach, despite your personal preferences, that was voted in by our legal representatives. Something has to be done. This is something.) And as I've said before, just because the projects are funded doesn't mean the Executive Branch has to do them (expend the appropriated money).

If you were objective enough to recognize that this was a problem he walked into, that earmarking is a congressional issue that Congress jolly well should be doing something about, and that you can't spin an economic crisis like this on a dime, you wouldn't be picking this nit--you'd be helping rather than bellyaching.

But then, you aren't big enough and an American enough for that, are you? (And you aren't the only poster to this thread I address that to.)

 

[DesertPirate]

They really don't need the extra money, many of those programs are now double funded due to "spendulous". The rest of the Gov't was funtioning just fine at the current levels of funding. The entire bill was a waste.

 

[sr71plt]

They really don't need the extra money, many of those programs are now double funded due to "spendulous". The rest of the Gov't was funtioning just fine at the current levels of funding. The entire bill was a waste.

Which doesn't affect what I posted in any way.

Just keep whining about it. That certainly will help. Get on the bus (which includes shining a light on earmarks and demanding that they be vetted as needed) or stand in the dust.

 

[DesertPirate]

Just highlight how out of touch everyone in Washington is and get them all voted out. It really is the only solution after prosecuting the worst.

Simple truth: If you make less than $174,000 a year you have NO representation in Washington. They care about their tax bracket and the next one higher that they aspire to.