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If you find a good verbal battle, let us know. In my opinion, this one is pretty one-sided--like shooting fish in a barrel.

LMFAO. Wow, you got balls to say that after BFW ran rings around you yesterday on the pilot thing. But hey, I'll give you a chance to redeem your credibility. Let's find out if you really know much about publishing, whether you wrote a book about it or not. I'd actually have to read the book to determine if it was a wealth of knowledge or a sack of shit.

I can't understand why you want to remain "anonymous" on the book thing when you apparently have made Selena aware of your "personal" information. You better keep on being her lackey or she just might fuck you in the ass. No wait, you like that.

So stay tuned. I'll have some publishing questions for you soon. But I want to talk to my idols scouries and BFW first, about more important things.
 
LMFAO. Wow, you got balls to say that after BFW ran rings around you yesterday on the pilot thing. But hey, I'll give you a chance to redeem your credibility. Let's find out if you really know much about publishing, whether you wrote a book about it or not. I'd actually have to read the book to determine if it was a wealth of knowledge or a sack of shit.

I can't understand why you want to remain "anonymous" on the book thing when you apparently have made Selena aware of your "personal" information. You better keep on being her lackey or she just might fuck you in the ass. No wait, you like that.

So stay tuned. I'll have some publishing questions for you soon. But I want to talk to my idols scouries and BFW first, about more important things.


Ah, so you're sticking with your choice of being the buffoon here. Fine with me.

Not sure why you would want to ask publishing questions, though. (A) you seem to think you know it all--without actually doing it, and (B) as both Selena and I point out, you don't seem to be able to absorb simple facts when they are given to you. But, gee, why should we care if you get erotica published or not? Doesn't effect our bottomline and it's nothing to me whatever you choose to believe or not--can't see you in any of my car mirrors.
 
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Actually, I posted that blurb from your eXessica submissions page to point out that you recognize, at least when it comes to making money, that incest is much hotter than romance. What you have there on your page sounds like something scouries would write.


No, actually you posted it because you didn't absorb what Selena had posted. A simple mistake that you are unwilling to acknowledge (so you dig yourself deeper in the poo). Happily, anyone checking back can see it for themselves.

Who is it that you think you are fooling here?
 
Even though you make it sound so appealing, taking all my profits (lol), actually, not everyone wants to publish, Sarahhh. I'm content writing my stories. The fun for me is being able to write anything I want any time I want. I don't want to be committed to the deadlines of a publisher.

If I wrote for money, I wouldn't write. My creative inspiration would stop. Suddenly, writing would feel like accounting (yuck). Even though most of what I write here is bashed, I'm at a good place right now.

I published 2 E-books, that's enough. I turned down offers from other publishers to publish more E-books. I haven't written the story that I'd like to publish yet. I still have time.

I'm sure you could start a thread and there'd be a dozen writers who would take you up on your offer to publish them. Good luck with your venture. I think it's a good idea.

So Freddie, what are you going to do with all these stories you've been writing and not submitting here? I note that neither you or I have submitted any stories here in a couple months. Oh, I'm still writing stories, like you. But not as many I'm sure. LOL. I don't know if I'll submit any more stories here or not. Like you, I'm more than a little disgusted about what goes on around this place.

I might submit some more stories to LustyLibrary, but they won't take them off once they are on, which caused a hilarious bitch fight between Danielle and the site owner. Danielle wanted her stories, which were doing quite poorly, taken off. A battle ensued in the forums. You know how Danielle is. Anyway, Danielle enlisted the aid of an alt that was so blatantly fake it was pathetic. I said I'd post it here, but haven't gotten around to it. I still might, but I don't want her to have another stroke.

I don't want too many stories on any one site. I have more stories I've deleted from Literotica than I have posted now. LustyLibrary doesn't have many contests, but I've won the last two, so if/when they have more, I'll probably submit something.

And like I said, I just might publish those stories as an e-book. But the queen of dime novels (You said that about the dime novels, remember? That was funny!) and her lackey with broken wings still haven't convinced me there's anything but fool's gold to be gained.
 
And like I said, I just might publish those stories as an e-book. But the queen of dime novels (You said that about the dime novels, remember? That was funny!) and her lackey with broken wings still haven't convinced me there's anything but fool's gold to be gained.

So don't do it--especially if you believe it will not show you well in direct comparisons with others that can be easily made if you do it. (Why do you think Freddie isn't trying to do it--and won't identify his claims of having already done it?) I've told you that I think what you write should sell well in the erotica e-book market (oh, yes I did. Look up the line at my postings); it appears I have more faith in your sales potential than you have in yourself.

Why do you think anyone cares if you try it or not enough to do this Hamlet monologue for us here? Actually do it and face reality--or not.
 
I, james r scouries (and I know

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would too) would like to take this opportunity to congratulate one of LITEROTICA’S greatest and most beloved authors:

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:rose: sarahhh :rose:
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Yesterday she became only the sixth author in the long and storied history of LITEROTICA to have been designated as their “FAVORITE AUTHOR” by over one thousand readers.

She’s the best!

I’m james r scouries and I’m the THREADMASTER…

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I wish I knew who it was. I'd send the lucky winner a fake boob pic or something. Sometimes I can tell who listed me as fav author. I mean, only one person listed me yesterday (number 1,000!) Sometimes a person will send me a sweet e-mail saying they listed me. Or if they don't say they did, I'll ask what their user name is. I do this for several reasons. For one thing, if they have a user name, sometimes I can figure out if it's the kittens playing the fake fan game again. So if a person has a user name and has raved about my stories, I'll say hey so please add me as a fav.

You know, Jim, some rather famous individuals have posted comments on my stories. I mean, besides you and BFW. But I'll mention that over on the new thread you started. I just wanted to alert TampaxRad to be on the alert for it so she can say the comments are fake (Get the lipstick ready, girlfriend!).

Hey, looks to me like both the Panthers and Penguins will make the playoffs. I think the Rangers and the Sabres will fall by the wayside. So either the Panthers or the Penguins could get the Caps in the first round. If it's you, I hope you got some tough guys to kick the shit out of Ovechkin. That big bully was picking on Sid the Kid our last game with them.
 
Actually, I posted that blurb from your eXessica submissions page to point out that you recognize, at least when it comes to making money, that incest is much hotter than romance.

You're very wrong. Incest doesn't sell half as well as the romance. Or the paranormals. In the free story market, it might reign, but it doesn't when it comes to actual (non-Monopoly money) sales.
 
You're very wrong. Incest doesn't sell half as well as the romance. Or the paranormals. In the free story market, it might reign, but it doesn't when it comes to actual (non-Monopoly money) sales.

I'd be happy to see that demonstrated. I think Sarahh/Scouries certainly should test those waters.

This brouhaha started with Freddie and Sarahh denigrating others (from out of the blue) for their erotica publishing with neither one of them being able to demonstrate that they themselves know squat about the industry or show anything they have done in that marketplace. Let them show us what they can do comparably. Until then they are just floating sourgrapes gas. And not fooling a soul here.

Incest goes (very) well here and apparently there aren't many publishers who publish it. This could be a gold mine for Sarahh/Scouries (I'd be hardpressed to see a paying market for Freddie anywhere, though--but I encourage him to try--especially as long as he feels compelled to criticism others who are doing it). I'm dying to see if Sarahh/Scouries has even as much confidence in sales potential for this as I do.
 
You're very wrong. Incest doesn't sell half as well as the romance. Or the paranormals. In the free story market, it might reign, but it doesn't when it comes to actual (non-Monopoly money) sales.

Which of your plethora of eXcessica best sellers is incest?

You replied to my post, but didn't respond to my question which was:

"I don't care about all these e-publishing distributors and all their contracts and requirements for a certain number of titles and exclusive rights. I care about Amazon.com. Are you telling me I can't get one e-book published (or however many I want) on Amazon.com, like real easy?"

C'mon, cough up an answer. You don't want me sending you a 6th request for the info like habu did to BFW (for info that is readily available).
 
Which of your plethora of eXcessica best sellers is incest?

Wow are you still very confused. The eXcessica Web site saying it was open to submissions on incest doesn't any any way claim someone has submitted anything on incest, does it? I've invited you to.

And the real headscratcher: How do you get any sort of claim by Selena of an incest bestseller in response to a post where she claims incest doesn't sell well? That's sort of a duh response, I think.

You replied to my post, but didn't respond to my question which was:

"I don't care about all these e-publishing distributors and all their contracts and requirements for a certain number of titles and exclusive rights. I care about Amazon.com. Are you telling me I can't get one e-book published (or however many I want) on Amazon.com, like real easy?"

I didn't see either that Selena (or anyone else) claimed you couldn't do that. So, go do it and stop jawing about what you haven't done. :)

C'mon, cough up an answer. You don't want me sending you a 6th request for the info like habu did to BFW (for info that is readily available).

Oh really, where? You told me to look in his Lit. profile. But it wasn't there when I looked. Where is it readily available, please? (And I posted this to you before, so now we're on request #2. Want to go for six, like Freddie?]
 
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This brouhaha started with Freddie and Sarahh denigrating others (from out of the blue) for their erotica publishing with neither one of them being able to demonstrate that they themselves know squat about the industry

It did? I thought it started with Selena taking a cheap shot at me on the "Literotica Authors and Their Books (For Literotica Authors ONLY)" thread out of the blue on a thread I don't post on, and then you chiming in with your mindless drivel.

BFW exposed your lame fucked up ass on the pilot/plane thing. I think we should find out if you are playing the same game with respect to publishing.

So here are a couple simple questions to get you started. We have to start somewhere.

1. You say you are published by a real publisher. What is a real publisher? Please try to refrain from mentioning me or my book. We'll get to that soon enough.

2. What is the distinction between erotica and mainstream books (e-book or print), and who makes that distinction?

Hey, you don't have to answer the questions if you don't want to. I'll give you a reasonable amount of time to answer (a lot more than you gave BFW, for a question to which the answer was right in front of you, something I still don't think you get).

If you don't answer the questions, I'll just answer them myself. Like I said, ScouriesWorld is the place to come for the real skinny on publishing, and most everything else.
 
It did? I thought it started with Selena taking a cheap shot at me on the "Literotica Authors and Their Books (For Literotica Authors ONLY)" thread out of the blue on a thread I don't post on, and then you chiming in with your mindless drivel.

BFW exposed your lame fucked up ass on the pilot/plane thing. I think we should find out if you are playing the same game with respect to publishing.

So here are a couple simple questions to get you started. We have to start somewhere.

1. You say you are published by a real publisher. What is a real publisher? Please try to refrain from mentioning me or my book. We'll get to that soon enough.

2. What is the distinction between erotica and mainstream books (e-book or print), and who makes that distinction?

Hey, you don't have to answer the questions if you don't want to. I'll give you a reasonable amount of time to answer (a lot more than you gave BFW, for a question to which the answer was right in front of you, something I still don't think you get).

If you don't answer the questions, I'll just answer them myself. Like I said, ScouriesWorld is the place to come for the real skinny on publishing, and most everything else.

For me, it started with first Freddie and then you dropping on my head without provocation--egregious in your case as I've never goaded you before on this forum. My participation on this thread from there on is all your choice. And I'm perfectly happy with the way that is going. :)

Freddie exposes nothing but his own failings here. His techniques don't fool anyone--other than possibly himself.

Where did I use the term "real publisher"? We'll start from there on question 1. When we're dealing with what I posted, let's deal with what I posted.

On 2. They aren't distinct; they overlap. There is some erotica in the mainstream. It's in print, though (the answer to that second part is that the mainstream defines what's in the mainstream--and the mainstream doesn't like electronic, so it defines anything primarily distributed in e-book form as out of the mainstream). And most of the erotica in the mainstream is peddled as something else--romance or literary fiction or science fiction, for instance. The mainstream is a bit prudish.

When I post a distinction concerning my own work, I make that distinction myself based on what I know of mainstream definistions/prejudices. It's not that hard in my case. In the mainstream, I edit mostly nonfiction--government, foreign affairs, history, economics--in keeping with my professional background. And I write mainly espionage thrillers and inspirational pieces (for my short stories). And I've coauthored Bible studies and a book on publishing.

All of that is quite easily distinguished from what I write in erotica for e-booking--which you can easily discern for yourself, because it can be found here, at eXcessica, and at a few other Web sites (and you've said yourself that you've seen some of my stories on LustyLibrary--although I haven't posted there in some time because I found them just as troublesome as you say Danielkitten found them--and they posted my stories to another site without my permission).

I don't mind these questions--as long as you realize that I don't owe you any sort of response at all to your type of baggering and may not respond in the future. Your (and Freddie's) "ah hah, when have you stopped beating your wife--and you are admitting you do if you don't respond to any of my outrageous assertions" approach to Internet chatting certainly is a typical Internet game--but it's silly, I can't fathom why posters let themselves be bludgeoned by it, and it means nothing to me. And you aren't fooling anyone when you do it.

We go back to this whole approach being your choice. I don't mind it. It's quite revealing to the casual reader as far as I'm concerned. :)
 
Where did I use the term "real publisher"? We'll start from there on question 1. When we're dealing with what I posted, let's deal with what I posted.

Over on that other thread. You don't remember what you said? Go look, and if you can't find it, I'll give you the post #, but don't get lazy on me now.

I see we were posting somewhat simultaneously and one didn't know what the other had said. That's confusing enough, but it also seems to me like you and I are speaking different languages, and there is a serious problem with the translation.

Scouries and BFW, do you understand what the fuck I'm talking about? I don't really care much about anybody else.

Habu, you didn't know I had a book published either until you got beat over the head with it. Yeah, my print book. And apparently you don't know anything about my e-book, although that's right out there too.

I'm out for the evening. Habu, don't do anything I wouldn't do. Oh never mind. You would. I'm looking forward to interacting with you more tomorrow. Hey, this is fun. And you never know, maybe both of us will learn something.
 
Oh, I forgot to mention on the mainstream deciding point, Sarahh, that whereas the mainstream doesn't like e-books (it fears them--but increasingly it's using that medium itself), it absolutely loaths and disdains self-published books. If added to that, an author tries to peddle her self-published print-on-demand nonfiction sports book by offering tit shots on the Internet--why that's enough to be thrown out into the outer darkness in terms of mainstream definitions.
 
Over on that other thread. You don't remember what you said? Go look, and if you can't find it, I'll give you the post #, but don't get lazy on me now.

I see we were posting somewhat simultaneously and one didn't know what the other had said. That's confusing enough, but it also seems to me like you and I are speaking different languages, and there is a serious problem with the translation.

Scouries and BFW, do you understand what the fuck I'm talking about? I don't really care much about anybody else.

Habu, you didn't know I had a book published either until you got beat over the head with it. Yeah, my print book. And apparently you don't know anything about my e-book, although that's right out there too.

I'm out for the evening. Habu, don't do anything I wouldn't do. Oh never mind. You would. I'm looking forward to interacting with you more tomorrow. Hey, this is fun. And you never know, maybe both of us will learn something.

OK, what's the post number? I'm not denying I posted it, but I want to see the context. And the term doesn't bother me either--I might not have been precise in the term that fit what I was posting. But if you make a point of telling me what I've posted, provide me the quote or don't bother--because you aren't owed a response, especially when/if you've changed the wording or taken something out of context just to serve manufactured nastiness.

On not knowing you had a book--it was erotica that you and Freddie were badgering me on. As far as I can tell, you still don't have an erotica book, e-book or otherwise, to talk about (which, of course, hasn't stopped you from asserting whatever knowledge you think you have about that). You don't have an erotica book published, do you? If not, don't bother to keep bringing that up. You keep saying you would if you wanted and maybe you will--and I've continually said, "yeah do that," and you change the subject. Either poop or get off the pot, lady.

And it turns out the only printed pages of anything you have is a self-published book. That very likely is what I referred to in terms of "real publishing," because, no, the mainstream does not consider something you've decided to put in print yourself, entirely by your own decision and without a publisher paying for it as anything "real" in terms of a book.

I'm always learning things, Sarahh. We'll see about you.

Oh, and here is request #3 for that "readily available" citation of Freddie's published erotica books. If you think it's so easy for me to find them, why is it so hard for you and Freddie to identify them? :rolleyes:
 
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ScouriesWorld is the place to come for the real skinny on publishing, and most everything else.

Yeah, if you wanna publish a book about incest written in red crayon. Or a 3000 page book blathering on and on about....well, nothing....then when no one buys it whine and complain that you write 3000 page books and so-and-so only writes 750 page books then whine that you're the best writer in the world and whine also about everyone bashing you and you were cheated out of the Pulitzer because the person who did win it only wrote a 750 page book and the people who give out the Pulitzer are out to get you and don't like you and everyone is bashing you and........

So you stick with your alts and their advice in publishing for Monopoly money. Anyone who wants to make REAL money should look way, way, way, way, WAY beyond this thread.
 
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Oh, and here is request #3 for that "readily available" citation of Freddie's published erotica books. If you think it's so easy for me to find them, why is it so hard for you and Freddie to identify them? :rolleyes:

Since butch and Freddie obviously can't figure out how to post the link to Freddie's profile, here it is:

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=798940

He has pictures of the two e-books he's had published.
 
Since butch and Freddie obviously can't figure out how to post the link to Freddie's profile, here it is:

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=798940

He has pictures of the two e-books he's had published.

Ah, so, thanks. The images don't come up in my view of his profile from my Web site view--but I see them here. Strange that.

But, thanks for answering a simple question that neither Freddie nor Sarahh can answer even though they are full of attack questions of their own.

Off to see if I can find who his publisher is and where his books rank anywhere--obviously he isn't that proud of them for some reason. ;)
 
Ah, so, thanks. The images don't come up in my view of his profile from my Web site view--but I see them here. Strange that.

But, thanks for answering a simple question that neither Freddie nor Sarahh can answer even though they are full of attack questions of their own.

Off to see if I can find who his publisher is and where his books rank anywhere--obviously he isn't that proud of them for some reason. ;)

Nope. Only hit is to his Face Book page (where I won't go). Yet another book of short stories noted here, though. But no presence on the Internet other than that for any of these books. At the minimum, Freddie doesn't really have anything to say to anyone else about how to market a book.

Who's your publisher Freddie? How does anyone even know about any of these titles let alone buy them? Or are they just covers you've designed yourself and slapped up here and on your Face Book page?
 
Nope. Only hit is to his Face Book page (where I won't go). Yet another book of short stories noted here, though. But no presence on the Internet other than that for any of these books. At the minimum, Freddie doesn't really have anything to say to anyone else about how to market a book.

Who's your publisher Freddie? How does anyone even know about any of these titles let alone buy them? Or are they just covers you've designed yourself and slapped up here and on your Face Book page?

Oh come on SR, give the guy a freaking break. Those books are every damn bit as legit as yours are. You are REALLY grasping at thin ass straws.

Gee, maybe you can use them to weave yourself a new asshat...


(yeah, yeah, yeah, I know... You think I have a "potty mouth" and act like a 14 year old.... what the fuck ever dude :rolleyes: )
 
Oh come on SR, give the guy a freaking break. Those books are every damn bit as legit as yours are. You are REALLY grasping at thin ass straws.

Gee, maybe you can use them to weave yourself a new asshat...


(yeah, yeah, yeah, I know... You think I have a "potty mouth" and act like a 14 year old.... what the fuck ever dude :rolleyes: )

Ummm, not necessarily every bit as legit as mine, sweet cheeks (which you'd be able to figure out if you'd actually read my post). You jump to conclusions as easily as Sarahh does--and with the same sweet disposition. You may be right, of course, but neither of us knows that. A cover image slapped on the Internet does not a book make (maybe this is what Sarahh is asking about concerning "real publishing." No, this wouldn't be real publishing).

Follow the links in my sig. line and you can buy a real book in just about any format you like (including print). I'll be happy for you to prove that to yourself. :)

I'll believe Freddie has books for sale behind those covers when I can trace the covers to a book in some form.

So, your flat assertion isn't necessarily right, right? Come on, you can say it; you're at least woman enough for that. :D

(Yet another unprovoked attacker from out of left field. Wonderful. What, Freddie couldn't take his tag team shift this evening, safe-bet?)
 
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Oh come on SR, give the guy a freaking break. Those books are every damn bit as legit as yours are.

I guess it's a matter of degrees. Is eXcessica a "real" publisher? We've got about seventy-five authors and over 150 titles on the site. In just under a year's time.

Yes, anyone can publish an ebook. But can you sell it? That's the real question. You can take your wares to the mainstream epubs if you like... if they're into what you write. It better not be incest or noncon, and it should preferably be a romance with a happy ending. Oh, they don't really like lesbian fiction much either. Gay male they go gaga over, however.

The good thing about excessica is that we're willing to consider things the big houses aren't. We also have a great advantage in that our numbers really help us in the marketing department. Every time one author markets their book with the excessica name on it, it draws reader to the site, who may buy more excessica books. Everyone benefits.

As opposed to simply putting a cover on your own book and publishing it that way. One author is just one author. Without the benefit of a publisher, you can only go so far. I did that for a while - I don't begrudge Freddie doing it. But you don't sell many books that way. I tried it.

Which led me to the idea of eXcessica in the first place. More authors, banded together, gave me the opportunity to market my own stuff for a larger venue (i.e. Fictionwise etc.) and gave other authors the same opportunity at the same time. It was a win-win.

So while Freddie's books are ebooks, certainly, just like mine or Sr's, if he doesn't have a publisher, mainstream or not, he's probably not selling a lot.

I'm just sayin'...
 
ISo while Freddie's books are ebooks, certainly, just like mine or Sr's, if he doesn't have a publisher, mainstream or not, he's probably not selling a lot.


I still haven't pinned down whether Freddie's covers have books behind them at all. And even if there is a collection of words behind the covers, if they are just e-files and there's no distribution point/function--they are just words in an e-file, aren't they? That means anything anyone's got in their computer files is a book(?)
 
I guess it's a matter of degrees. Is eXcessica a "real" publisher? We've got about seventy-five authors and over 150 titles on the site. In just under a year's time.

Yes, anyone can publish an ebook. But can you sell it? That's the real question. You can take your wares to the mainstream epubs if you like... if they're into what you write. It better not be incest or noncon, and it should preferably be a romance with a happy ending. Oh, they don't really like lesbian fiction much either. Gay male they go gaga over, however.

The good thing about excessica is that we're willing to consider things the big houses aren't. We also have a great advantage in that our numbers really help us in the marketing department. Every time one author markets their book with the excessica name on it, it draws reader to the site, who may buy more excessica books. Everyone benefits.

As opposed to simply putting a cover on your own book and publishing it that way. One author is just one author. Without the benefit of a publisher, you can only go so far. I did that for a while - I don't begrudge Freddie doing it. But you don't sell many books that way. I tried it.

Which led me to the idea of eXcessica in the first place. More authors, banded together, gave me the opportunity to market my own stuff for a larger venue (i.e. Fictionwise etc.) and gave other authors the same opportunity at the same time. It was a win-win.

So while Freddie's books are ebooks, certainly, just like mine or Sr's, if he doesn't have a publisher, mainstream or not, he's probably not selling a lot.

I'm just sayin'...

Selena, I think that eXcessica is a fantastic opportunity for writers of erotica / porn, regardless of genre. What you created freaking ROCKS. Thank you for that. I'm just sayin'... :)

Whether Freddie is selling anything? No idea. That's his thing. From his postings he obviously could give a crap less if he sells or not. The dude, regard less of opinion, writes a pretty damn high volume so I can easily see him writing a couple of novel length stories (a month :D).

SR, your comment "even if there is a collection of words behind the covers, if they are just e-files and there's no distribution point/function--they are just words in an e-file, aren't they? That means anything anyone's got in their computer files is a book" is quite possibly the biggest crock of arrogant shit I've read in a long time. You need to join the rest of us in the 21st century, dude.

You missing the days when you scribbled with your quill pen on papyrus or what?
 
I still haven't pinned down whether Freddie's covers have books behind them at all. And even if there is a collection of words behind the covers, if they are just e-files and there's no distribution point/function--they are just words in an e-file, aren't they? That means anything anyone's got in their computer files is a book(?)

They're published, or are going to be published? by erotic excursions.

A division of Club Lighthouse? Someone else mentioned on another thread that Lighthouse was started by a Litster. Box and RRichard are also published through them.

At least, the logo on Fredericka's books is the same as on this cover.

Club Lighthouse is listed on FW. They have 54 titles available. None of which are Fredericka's... perhaps they haven't been actually released yet. They only have one title on their coming soon page.
 
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