Bill Clinton presents "Communitarianism"

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In January, speaking at a meeting of the anti-gun U.S. Conference of Mayors, former president Bill Clinton took credit for the old ban, praised the Brady Campaign for continuing to lobby Congress for a new ban, and suggested that the mood in Washington might be more favorable toward a ban now than it had been during the last eight years.

Here's what Mr. Clinton had to say:

"[W]e will not go forward anymore, I don't think, with the kind of politics of division and destruction that drug us down for too long. That's essentially what is different, and what creates this great moment of opportunity . . . . to have conversations with people, instead of screaming matches, over things like what former Mayor [now Brady Campaign president Paul] Helmke works on so much—over what is the best way to keep the American people safe. Nobody wants to repeal the Second Amendment, and nobody wants to keep you out of the deer woods, but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?"

After the mayors' reflexive applause receded, Clinton continued, this time speaking more broadly than in reference to gun control alone. "[W]e're now in a position to begin again," he said. "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement." Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."

Mr. Clinton did not treat the mayors to a longwinded explanation of the communitarian ideal, nor did he explain that the Brady Campaign no longer advocates merely the reimposition of the Clinton-era ban. Instead, like the Violence Policy Center and Legal Community Against Violence, Brady advocates a much broader federal ban, such as California's or the one proposed by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), which would ban guns made to comply with the 1994 ban (by omitting one or more attachments, such as a flash suppressor), all semi-automatic shotguns, the Ruger Mini-14, the .30 Carbine, the M1 Garand, and other categories of guns and gun parts not affected by the 1994 ban.

Mr. Clinton also praised President Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State, a position in which Mrs. Clinton could lend support to international efforts to impose gun prohibitions domestically.

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Communitarianism:

Communitarianism, as a group of related but distinct philosophies, began in the late 20th century, opposing in its opinion exalted forms of individualism while advocating phenomena such as civil society. Not necessarily hostile to social liberalism or even social democracy, communitarianism emphasizes the need to balance individual rights and interests with that of the community as a whole, and that individual people (or citizens) are shaped by the cultures and values of their communities.[1]

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Comparison to other political philosophies

Communitarianism cannot be classified as being wholly left or right, and many theorists claim to represent a sort of radical center. Liberals in the American sense or social democrats in the European sense generally share the communitarian position on issues relating to the economy, such as the need for environmental protection and public education, but not on cultural issues. Communitarians and conservatives generally agree on cultural issues, such as support for character education and faith-based programs, but communitarians do not support the laissez-faire capitalism generally embraced by American conservatives.


Authoritarianism

Some people have argued[who?] that communitarianism's focus on social cohesion raises similarities with nationalistic communism, or various forms of authoritarianism, although supporters contend that there are substantial differences between communitarianism and authoritarianism.

Authoritarian governments often embrace extremist ideologies and rule with brute force, accompanied with severe restrictions on personal freedom, political and civil rights. Authoritarian governments are overt about the role of the government as director and commander. Civil society and democracy are not generally characteristic of authoritarian regimes. For the most part, communitarians emphasize the use of non-governmental organizations in furthering their goals.

Much more sensible than Libertarianism, at any rate.
 
Quick search shows thats been cut and pasted on every gun nut website on the planet.

lol
 
Communitarianism.

Good. Now do we finally have a word to describe you freaking liberal communists that you'll be happy with? :)

BTW, anyone who is in favor of federal government support for character education and faith-based programs is not a conservative (not in my book anyway).

Zumi, I've narrowed down my choices to about four countries, get your check book ready.
 
This is almost as funny as one of my employees swearing up and down last Friday evening that Obama was trying to pass a $.05 per round tax on ammunition.

Trying not to laugh too loudly I went directly to the NRA web site saying, "Well, if that is true then these guys would be raising holy hell right?"

Not a peep other than a failed attempt in one of the Northeastern states last year. :rolleyes:

These idiots give sane gun enthusiasts a bad name.
 
This is almost as funny as one of my employees swearing up and down last Friday evening that Obama was trying to pass a $.05 per round tax on ammunition.

Trying not to laugh too loudly I went directly to the NRA web site saying, "Well, if that is true then these guys would be raising holy hell right?"

Not a peep other than a failed attempt in one of the Northeastern states last year. :rolleyes:

These idiots give sane gun enthusiasts a bad name.

Another thing that gun nuts share besides a deep paranoia is a total lack of respect for intelligence.
 
Another thing that gun nuts share besides a deep paranoia is a total lack of respect for intelligence.



Riiiiight. Totally nuts, like the following:


The Fabian Society, Communitarianism and the New World Order


This video is a very brief, six-minute introduction to the British Fabian Society, which was established on orders from the Crown in 1884, with the purpose of creating a movement to usher in by stealth a one world government.

The ideology promoted by Fabians and Fabian thinkers is called "Communitarianism", which is also sometimes referred to as the 'Third Way'. The Third Way refers to the synthesis of capitalism and socialism in the dialectic scheme.

This dialectical synthesis, or outcome, is to be a collectivist form of government, "Communitarianism", where all individualism is forcibly relinquished in the name of "unity" and complete and unwavering allegiance to the state under a scientific, socialistic dictatorship run by "experts."

This is to be a system run on complete and total efficiency, where the only purpose of the individual is to serve the state. The so-called "useless eaters," as people like Kissinger refer to, are seen as only a burden to this efficiency, and therefore will be incarcerated or killed if this system is allowed to be fully implemented. This is precisely why the "Elite" want an 80-90% reduction of the world's population, with just enough peasants to serve their utopia, described in writings by people such as Huxley and Fabian H.G. Wells, and promoted still today in well-funded works of propaganda such as Zeitgeist, which are designed to promote the New World Order religion.



Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed, whether you liked it or not. It it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well."
George Bernard Shaw



Socialsim was funded into existence as the antithesis to capitalism in the dialectic, creating a synthesis that is neither fully capitalist of socialist, but rather is defined as the "Third Way", which is sometimes also referred to as "Communitariansim"

Communitariansim centers around the belief that individualism is to be relinquished for the "greater good" of the state. Such a system would be fascistic at its core and administered through a form of scientific socialism.

"Communitarianism", or 'civil society' thinking (the two have similar meanings) has many interpretations, but at its center is a notion that years of celebrating individual freedom have weakened the bonds of community and that the rights of the individual must be balanced against the interest of society as a whole.

Inherent in the philosophy is a return to vaues and morality, which, the school of thought believes, can best be fostered by community organizations."

Dana Milbank



"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Barack Obama, George Soros puppet



"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual."
Michelle Obama, George Soros puppet's wife



Phony environmentalism is to be one of the major ways in which the new system will be ushered in, under the premise that we must all give up our individuality and unite to serve the "greater good" in order to save "mother earth."

This can be seen especially with the UN's Agenda 21 program, that would set international requirements for how people mus live, learn, eat, travel and communicate. This has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with control.


"individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective"
Harvey Ruvin, Vice Chair, International Council on Local Environmental Initiatives
 
Communitarianism.

Good. Now do we finally have a word to describe you freaking liberal communists that you'll be happy with? :)


Not me. Communitarianism is stinky rightwing ideology dressed up to look caring and sharing. You guys have nothing to fear, seriously. It's as right wing a philosophy as any out there.
 
Wow, I guess you define right wing totally different than I do.
 
Riiiiight. Totally nuts, like the following:


The Fabian Society, Communitarianism and the New World Order


This video is a very brief, six-minute introduction to the British Fabian Society, which was established on orders from the Crown in 1884, with the purpose of creating a movement to usher in by stealth a one world government.

The ideology promoted by Fabians and Fabian thinkers is called "Communitarianism", which is also sometimes referred to as the 'Third Way'. The Third Way refers to the synthesis of capitalism and socialism in the dialectic scheme.

If any of that farrago were true (it isn't), why would you have a problem with it? The world obviously needs a world government. And capitalism and socialism both have obvious defects and we should be trying to find something new.
 
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Liberals At Work

5. The transition to the communitarian system

[The socialist state] [Socialism and democracy] [Communism]

Socialism is not a mode of production. It is the transition from capitalism to communism. Socialism is the communism which emerges from capitalist society. It begins as capitalism with a workers’ state. Socialism therefore bears the moral, economic and intellectual imprint of capitalism; it is the lower stage of communism.

In general, socialism is defined as the rule of the working class.

The division of labour cannot be abolished overnight. It manifests itself under socialism in the contradictions between mental and manual labour, town and country, men and women, as well as social, regional and national differences.

Classes and social strata exist under socialism because of different positions occupied in relationship to the means of production, the roles played in society and the way they receive their income.

Class and social contradictions necessitate the continuation of the class struggle. However, this struggle is determined by the new alignments brought about by the overthrow of the capitalist state and the transition to communism.

The class struggle can, in the last analysis, go in two directions, depending on the balance of forces inside and outside the country and the class policy being followed. It can go backwards to capitalism or it can advance towards communism.

While socialism creates the objective basis for solving social contradictions, these contradictions need to be solved with a correct political line and the development of mass, active democracy. This is essential, as communism is not a spontaneous development. Social strata will only finally disappear under communism.

5.1. The socialist state

In its first stage, communism has not reached complete maturity or completely rid itself of the traditions and remnants of capitalism. One of these remnants is bourgeois right, which means that the communist principle, ‘to each according to their needs’, cannot be applied under socialism.

The concept of ‘right’ continues under socialism due to relative scarcity. Everyone has the right to receive from society only as much as they give. As speedily as possible that will come to be judged according not to the law of value, but straightforward time. Nevertheless right depends on contribution, albeit calculated as labour hours. The abolition of this bourgeois right is dependant on greatly reducing necessary labour time.

Socialism transforms the commodity back into a product. It replaces the law of value with the law of the plan. To begin with, social labour can only be measured indirectly by the average labour that is socially necessary. However, through the plan labour becomes directly social.

The clearest indication that socialism is a class society is the existence of and need for a state - an instrument of class rule. The socialist state - ie, working class rule, or what Marx called the dictatorship of the proletariat - is needed in the first place against the resistance of the forces of capitalism. Though this can involve draconian measures it must be emphasised that, as socialism is the rule of the overwhelming majority in society, the socialist state is characterised by the fullest flowering of democracy.

The repressive role of the state is not only connected with overcoming the capitalist class, but also with the division of labour. Until work becomes life’s prime want, the need for the state will continue. This means laws, courts, the obligation to work. The persistence of bourgeois right expresses the fact that work is based on coercion.

To consider the state as repression against enemy classes is right in the last analysis. However, the proletarian state exists over all the individuals in society and it represents a force over the individuals who belong to the class which rules society.

The socialist state dispenses with much of the bureaucratic and military baggage of the capitalist state - it is a semi-state. Beginning when the working class establishes its own rule, it lasts till the higher stage of communism. During this period it undergoes internal changes and its function changes according to the development of the class struggle both inside and outside the country. These changes are the process in which the state withers away.

The establishment of the World Union of Socialist Republics is the moment when socialism becomes fully mature. The state cannot entirely disappear in any country before this stage.

Both the withering away of the state and the disappearance of classes can only be completed on the basis of the socialisation of the productive forces on a global scale. Socialism is a worldwide revolution and has to be worldwide in scope. There can be no socialism in one country.

5.2. Socialism and democracy

Socialism and democracy are inseparable. The rule by the majority is in the first place attained by the truly mass, truly democratic smashing of the bourgeois state and its replacement by the organs of working class struggle, which become the organs of the new state.

However, this is not the end of the matter. From the start all spheres of administration must be simplified so as to ensure that functions of the state are fully democratised. The aim is not rule by a strata of specialists (ie, bureaucracy - an alienated form of organisation) in the name of the majority. On the contrary, our aim is direct rule by the majority itself. Hence measures have to be taken, not only for the destruction of the old state bureaucracy, but also to prevent the new state from turning against the people.

Socialism must progressively involve the working class in the administration and running of the state. Democracy cannot be understood as merely the casting of votes. It is a process of the constant forming of ideas and taking of decisions. For this reason, it demands the opportunity for broad discussion in every sphere and at every level. Without platforms and oppositions for the presentation of different views, and in which open discussion is the norm, democracy can only be formal.

Thus we need democracy in the following areas:

The organisation of the state apparatus.
The organisation of the political system.
The organisation of the economy.
The key to realising this development of active, mass democracy is a radical shortening of the necessary working day. Only when everyone has the time to become administrators will there be no administrators and no division of labour.

5.3. Communism

Socialism in Britain will start from a relatively high level of technique, output and culture. Once the hard task of winning working class state power has been achieved, we will advance directly towards communism. The speed of that advance is dictated by the completion of the world revolution and the correctness of the policy of the working class and its vanguard.

Victory of the world revolution will facilitate democratic planning on a world scale by the World Union of Socialist States. Even with existing levels of labour productivity in a country like Britain, redirecting unproductive and unemployed workers to socially useful work would allow a reduction of necessary labour to something like 10 or 15 hours a week. This, not the drive to raise overall production, is the main social task of socialism.

Through society reabsorbing the functions of the state, the need for it withers away. Democracy (a form of the state) negates itself and gives way to general freedom. The higher stage of communism is a free association of producers. Everybody will contribute according to their ability and take according to need. Real human history begins and society leaves behind the “realm of necessity”. In the realm of freedom, people will become rounded, fully social individuals who can for the first time truly develop their natural humanity.

This is what we want to achieve. To win the prize we will overcome all obstacles.
 
To keep countries from fighting each other, just for starters. Generally, same reasons a country needs a national government.
Kum-by-ya my Lord, Kum-by-ya...

That's the most naive thing I've heard in a long time, Orf. National government didn't prevent the US Civil War, nor any other internal wars around the world.
 
Kum-by-ya my Lord, Kum-by-ya...

That's the most naive thing I've heard in a long time, Orf. National government didn't prevent the US Civil War, nor any other internal wars around the world.

Look at Europe. More or less continuously at war since the fall of Rome. Now they have the European Union, which is something more than an association like the UN but less than a federal government -- and between members of that Union, war is now inconceivable. Something like that on a global scale would be a good thing indeed.
 
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