Verification on gas tax

[Lee Chambers]

A friend of mine told me that Democrats are apparently wanting to pass a new gas tax that will increase the price of gas to about $2.30 a gallon. I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about this or has seen where it's been reported.

 

[cloudy]

I really doubt that's legit, or it would have been all over the news.

Sounds like right wing scare tactics to me.

 

[rgraham666]

I really doubt that's legit, or it would have been all over the news.

Sounds like right wing scare tactics to me.

Probably.

But you have to plan long ahead if you want to win elections. Undoubtedly the right wing is planning on winning 2010. Oh, and deepening the rift between Americans of all stripes. Divide and conquer usually works.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I read it. Some fringe Democrats want to go the whole hog with new taxes and the restoration of old taxes. But the Republicans are singing the same tune. The Republican Florida Legislature just added some new fees and increased fines for a variety of common offences like traffic tickets. I figure cigarettes will get a hefty tax increase.

ROB

When I conquer the world I plan to stick you in a lighthouse at Antarctica...with a crate full of gay romances and the collected writings of Eleanor Roosevelt. One of my old professors writes Cripples Romances...maybe some of these, too.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I did read somewhere that the states are hurting so bad, and the cost of crude oil so low, that the taxes aren't covering the basics - road repairs, salt crews, etc... so they want to increase the gas tax.

Here's one article I found about it.

 

[cloudy]

I did read somewhere that the states are hurting so bad, and the cost of crude oil so low, that the taxes aren't covering the basics - road repairs, salt crews, etc... so they want to increase the gas tax.

Here's one article I found about it.

Yes, but that's a long way from:

"The Democrats are going to make gas prices go up by a dollar! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Yes, but that's a long way from:

"The Democrats are going to make gas prices go up by a dollar! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

*laugh*

Yes. There's already dissenting opinions - suggesting private investment in roads etc. I'm not sure it's going to happen. People are going to be pretty angry and adamant about it, even with prices so low. We all know it's temporary... can you imagine another $0.40 when gas goes back up to $4.50 a gallon? *sigh*

 

[cloudy]

*laugh*

Yes. There's already dissenting opinions - suggesting private investment in roads etc. I'm not sure it's going to happen. People are going to be pretty angry and adamant about it, even with prices so low. We all know it's temporary... can you imagine another $0.40 when gas goes back up to $4.50 a gallon? *sigh*

Yeah, prices will go back up eventually, and I'm sure it'll be blamed on us evil liberals.

That's why I traded my Cadillac in for a Mitsubishi.

 

[rgraham666]

*laugh*

Yes. There's already dissenting opinions - suggesting private investment in roads etc. I'm not sure it's going to happen. People are going to be pretty angry and adamant about it, even with prices so low. We all know it's temporary... can you imagine another $0.40 when gas goes back up to $4.50 a gallon? *sigh*

Oh yeah. Trusting our roads to the same sort of people we trusted our financial system to was so successful after all.

 

[Lee Chambers]

Thanks Selena. Unfortunately that story you linked was from January of 2008. It seems like this is one of those ideas that was discussed at one time and now that the people who proposed it have control, their opponents are bringing it up as a scare tactic.

The same thing happened with Barrack Obama and his plan to raise ammo taxes by 500%. As it turned out there was a proposal for that in the Illinois legislature when he was in office and he did vote for it. It never passed but since then people continue to insist that Obama is going to raise the bullet tax by 500%. It's one of those things where "No one has said they're going to do it but they wanted to do it before so they're going to try it again and this time no one can stop them."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DEAR CLOUDY

Do you recall, perchance, what event opened the present ball? It was price hikes for gasoline, followed by price hikes for everything else. When the cost of asphalt became as expensive as silver, governments stopped paving roads. Gasoline pushed the economy over the cliff. Bottom feeders stopped paying their bills to buy gas for work.

Of course you dont remember.

This is not the time for new taxes. We have plenty of the old ones, but commerce is in the toilet, unemployment is as contagious as Sarah's cooties, and people are scared.

What we need to do first is unleash the creative energy of real entreperneurs to make shit that people want to buy, we need to harness the smarts of all the brainiacs to create real alternative energies, and we need to send all the government empty suits to homes across America to learn how to make do with what they have.

And when we've squeezed the poop out of the last nickle, then we raise new taxes.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The rumor appears to be true, or at least to be based on truth:

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=41398

I don't know who the members of the commission are, but they are probably mostly Dems, because they are the majority party.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

One of the major problems in road repair in California is that our genius legislature has always raided the gasoline taxes that were supposed to pay for upkeep and maintenance and used them for general expenses so the repairs never got done. Somehow I don't see that the logical answer to that is raise taxes.

 

[cloudy]

The rumor appears to be true, or at least to be based on truth:

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=41398

I don't know who the members of the commission are, but they are probably mostly Dems, because they are the majority party.

The commission is "urging" the increase, not mandating it into law. And, you're wrong about the ebil Democrats, too. From their website:

As provided by statute, the Commission has 15 members representing State and local government, industry, financial institutions, public policy organizations, and law firms.

The sky is not falling, I promise.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
The rumor appears to be true, or at least to be based on truth:

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Conten...x?rsrcid=41398

I don't know who the members of the commission are, but they are probably mostly Dems, because they are the majority party.

The commission is "urging" the increase, not mandating it into law. And, you're wrong about the ebil Democrats, too. From their website:


Quote:
As provided by statute, the Commission has 15 members representing State and local government, industry, financial institutions, public policy organizations, and law firms.

The sky is not falling, I promise.

Okay but, as far as I can see, urging that something be passed into law and wanting it passed into law are two ways of saying the same thing.

ETA: I'm not sure that link is stilla good one. Try this:
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=41398

 

[incubus666]

Yeah, prices will go back up eventually, and I'm sure it'll be blamed on us evil liberals.

That's why I traded my Cadillac in for a Mitsubishi.

When gas was at $4.00+ gal. I sure don't remember any liberals blaming President Bush.

Then again I do have trouble with my short term memory.

 

[DesertPirate]

How does anyone think Obama is going to pay for his WPA road project? Give that guy the cigarette holder.

 

[Guest]

Yes, but that's a long way from:

"The Democrats are going to make gas prices go up by a dollar! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

Hey if the sky is falling... do you think the stars will come down too? Always wanted a star

 

[john-the-author]

I wouldn't mind the gas tax going up .40/gallon. We've got a bunch of things to pay for. I suspect that I'm in the minority on this one, however.

I'd be much more interested in the income tax going up on the wealthier parts of the country. As much as I dislike paying more taxes, I think it's the right thing to do.

OTOH, I have been strongly in favor with a flat tax system with a lower-end cutoff and that eliminates 90% of the paper monster that is the IRS.

 

[off2bed]

I wouldn't mind the gas tax going up .40/gallon. We've got a bunch of things to pay for. I suspect that I'm in the minority on this one, however.

I'd be much more interested in the income tax going up on the wealthier parts of the country. As much as I dislike paying more taxes, I think it's the right thing to do.

OTOH, I have been strongly in favor with a flat tax system with a lower-end cutoff and that eliminates 90% of the paper monster that is the IRS.

Your whole post is just right wing scare tactics.

 

[rgraham666]

I wouldn't mind the gas tax going up .40/gallon. We've got a bunch of things to pay for. I suspect that I'm in the minority on this one, however.

I'd be much more interested in the income tax going up on the wealthier parts of the country. As much as I dislike paying more taxes, I think it's the right thing to do.

OTOH, I have been strongly in favor with a flat tax system with a lower-end cutoff and that eliminates 90% of the paper monster that is the IRS.

My problem with a flat tax is that all proposals for it are specifically income taxes on individuals.

There's a great deal of economic activity that takes place outside that area. And whaddaya wanna bet that if a flat tax is implemented that many people will suddenly collect no income at all for their work? It will all be stock options, trust payments and interest.

In my opinion the flat tax is just another way for organizations and individuals to wiggle out of their responsibility to help pay to keep the country going.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I wouldn't mind the gas tax going up .40/gallon. We've got a bunch of things to pay for. I suspect that I'm in the minority on this one, however.

I'd be much more interested in the income tax going up on the wealthier parts of the country. As much as I dislike paying more taxes, I think it's the right thing to do.

OTOH, I have been strongly in favor with a flat tax system with a lower-end cutoff and that eliminates 90% of the paper monster that is the IRS.

The current tax system started out as a flat tax...15% and 25%, you see what kind of a monster it has become since Regan signed it into law.

So what's to keep those lobiest and congress persons from doing the same over the coming years if they do institute a 'New' flat tax?

Nothing.

 

[DesertPirate]

A proper flat tax would be in the 15 - 17% range and would apply to every penny earned in this country. Individual, business, corporate. No deductions of any kind, just pay the tax, no exceptions, no excuses. Just establigh a realistic low cutoff point like $40K for a family of 4. This would cause a large enough increase in income to get the deficit under control if the fools in the Capitol can control their diarrhea of the wallet.
In spite of what the Congresscritters want you to believe that would be more than most of the upper income folks actually pay now.

It would cause a lot of tax lawyers and accountants to find real work, but who said the tax code was supposed to be it's own industry? As it is now it is a very unproductive industry as it is never part of the GNP. Therefore in an economic sense it is wasted money.

 

[john-the-author]

Your whole post is just right wing scare tactics.

Moi? Right wing? Au contraire! I'm a rich far left type who expects to pay more taxes under any increase in taxes for the wealthy that I'm recommending.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

What would be better than a flat tax is a consumption tax with a pre-bate of the tax, up to the poverty level.

Why tax what I earn, tax what I spend, which is quite a lot lately.

Do away with all payroll taxes, death tax, corporate tax. Everyone pays the consumption tax. Even B2B. Even the Government.

But then you put a lot of people out of work...

Like the "K" street lawyers and lobbiest.

Most of the IRS workers would need a new job.

Accountants could get back to being accountants.

CFO's could start being CFO's instead of tax compliance officers.

The list goes on...