389 years ago...

[cloudy]

389 years ago the first slave ship landed in the American colonies.

354 years ago John Castor became the first legally recognized slave, ruled "Property for Life" by Virginia courts.

Read the rest here.

I want a poster of this.

 

[sweetness6280]

So do I...

 

[IrezumiKiss]

389 years ago the first slave ship landed in the American colonies.

354 years ago John Castor became the first legally recognized slave, ruled "Property for Life" by Virginia courts.

Read the rest here.

I want a poster of this.

So would I. It's amazing how swiftly things change up as you get towards the end.

My only quibble with it is in the design. I like the overall idea, but the execution could've been better. I think the actual corresponding dates should be in a different color, like red, and remain at the same size so that your eye can go to each date and register the impact of time more clearly.

But that's my artist/designer side being anal! It's still dope.

 

[cloudy]

So would I. It's amazing how swiftly things change up as you get towards the end.

My only quibble with it is in the design. I like the overall idea, but the execution could've been better. I think the actual corresponding dates should be in a different color, like red, and remain at the same size so that your eye can go to each date and register the impact of time more clearly.

But that's my artist/designer side being anal! It's still dope.

Design us one and put it on cafepress.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Design us one and put it on cafepress.

Yeah, I get a discount on my next order and I want one for the classroom!

 

[Salvor-Hardon]

I loved their "death and taxes" poster. If a more readable and better designed poster goes on sale, I'll buy it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

KUH LOUD EEEEEE

My Virginia ancestor, William Cotton, is reputed to have brought the first slave to America.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

KUH LOUD EEEEEE

My Virginia ancestor, William Cotton, is reputed to have brought the first slave to America.

Unless you are trying to future your reputation as a serial killer, I would be prould of being related to William Cotton or am I thinking of Cotton Mather. Wait, didn't William Cotton do the Bayer Aspirin commercials (lol).

Cloudy, is that your real ass or are you using a stand in?

Yes, before you ask, that's my real dog (lol).

"Good boy, Polo. Sit."

 

[ottohauser1977]

So, this is the point where America committed what Roger Lees in a West Wing episode rightly called her "original sin". Of course, he then amended his statement to add the cruel treatment of Native Americans.

Every country has its shame. Slavery was less of a practice in Germany.....until the Nazis, of course. Then it became horribly common. But we also have the gruesome legacy of the Teutonic Knights. Sad to say, and shamefully so, that time was as vicious in its own way as anything from the Nazi regime. The Teutonic Order certainly didn't live up to the celluloid idea of chivalry. They were brutal, callous, and utterly ruthless. I say this to reinforce the point about despicable crimes.

What is so shocking about American chattel slavery is that it happened in a society that in many other ways was very enlightened for its day. All of this freedom and justice, alongside absolute cruelty and slavery, is quite jarring, when you think of it.

 

[trysail]

-an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry found under the word slavery:
_________

"...slavery was practiced in Africa even before the first Europeans arrived and the Atlantic slave trade was performed with a high degree of involvement of several African societies. The black slave market was supplied by well-established slave trade networks controlled by local African societies and individuals.[53] Indeed, as already mentioned in this article, slavery persists in several areas of West Africa until the present day.

"There is adequate evidence citing case after case of African control of segments of the trade. Several African nations such as the Ashanti of Ghana and the Yoruba of Nigeria had economies depended solely on the trade. African peoples such as the Imbangala of Angola and the Nyamwezi of Tanzania would serve as middlemen or roving bands warring with other African nations to capture Africans for Europeans."[54]

Several historians have made important contributions to the global understanding of the African side of the Atlantic slave trade. By arguing that African merchants determined the assemblage of trade goods accepted in exchange for slaves, many historians argue for African agency and ultimately a shared responsibility for the slave trade.[55]"

 

[Taharial]

-an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry found under the word slavery:
_________

"...slavery was practiced in Africa even before the first Europeans arrived and the Atlantic slave trade was performed with a high degree of involvement of several African societies. The black slave market was supplied by well-established slave trade networks controlled by local African societies and individuals.[53] Indeed, as already mentioned in this article, slavery persists in several areas of West Africa until the present day.

"There is adequate evidence citing case after case of African control of segments of the trade. Several African nations such as the Ashanti of Ghana and the Yoruba of Nigeria had economies depended solely on the trade. African peoples such as the Imbangala of Angola and the Nyamwezi of Tanzania would serve as middlemen or roving bands warring with other African nations to capture Africans for Europeans."[54]

Several historians have made important contributions to the global understanding of the African side of the Atlantic slave trade. By arguing that African merchants determined the assemblage of trade goods accepted in exchange for slaves, many historians argue for African agency and ultimately a shared responsibility for the slave trade.[55]"

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[ottohauser1977]

Don't forget, however, that Arabs were key to the early slave trade, as well. As were the Turks and Mamelukes of Egypt.

 

[cloudy]

-an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry found under the word slavery:
_________

"...slavery was practiced in Africa even before the first Europeans arrived and the Atlantic slave trade was performed with a high degree of involvement of several African societies. The black slave market was supplied by well-established slave trade networks controlled by local African societies and individuals.[53] Indeed, as already mentioned in this article, slavery persists in several areas of West Africa until the present day.

"There is adequate evidence citing case after case of African control of segments of the trade. Several African nations such as the Ashanti of Ghana and the Yoruba of Nigeria had economies depended solely on the trade. African peoples such as the Imbangala of Angola and the Nyamwezi of Tanzania would serve as middlemen or roving bands warring with other African nations to capture Africans for Europeans."[54]

Several historians have made important contributions to the global understanding of the African side of the Atlantic slave trade. By arguing that African merchants determined the assemblage of trade goods accepted in exchange for slaves, many historians argue for African agency and ultimately a shared responsibility for the slave trade.[55]"

I wasn't assigning blame with this thread. I realize that the entire world has had to battle slavery. I was only sharing what I thought was a nice reminder of how this particular country has grown up - finally.

 

[Salvor-Hardon]

Unless you are trying to future your reputation as a serial killer, I would be prould of being related to William Cotton or am I thinking of Cotton Mather. Wait, didn't William Cotton do the Bayer Aspirin commercials (lol).

Cloudy, is that your real ass or are you using a stand in?

Yes, before you ask, that's my real dog (lol).

"Good boy, Polo. Sit."

Nope, her's is better.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

FREDDIE LOVE

In 1600 slavery was legal virtually everywhere, especially in Britain and Africa. The African didnt experience a sudden resduction in his stature when his chief sold him to the Europeans. Most likely he avoided death or slavery in Asia. The slaves who came to America fared much better than the slaves who went to South America or remained in Africa.

If you remove the labels, slaves were pretty much like the military is today. They got 3 hots, a cot, clothes, medical care, and holidays off.

There are some excellent books that illuminate British society circa 1600, and the South organized itself along the same lines as the Brits. Plantations were feudal manors.

 

[trysail]

I wasn't assigning blame with this thread. I realize that the entire world has had to battle slavery. I was only sharing what I thought was a nice reminder of how this particular country has grown up - finally.

Oui. D'accord.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Oui. D'accord.

Yup. Until the advent of the Industrial Revolution every society on earth was based on some sort servitude, call it slavery, serfdom, villainage or whathave you. That was the economic basis of the Viking incursions all over Europe. Kidnap Europeans and sell them in Russia.

 

[ottohauser1977]

Yup. Until the advent of the Industrial Revolution every society on earth was based on some sort servitude, call it slavery, serfdom, villainage or whathave you. That was the economic basis of the Viking incursions all over Europe. Kidnap Europeans and sell them in Russia.

And enslave native Russians, too. Among others. The term "slavery" has its origins in a reference to the Slavic origins of many medieval slaves.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

FREDDIE LOVE

In 1600 slavery was legal virtually everywhere, especially in Britain and Africa. The African didnt experience a sudden resduction in his stature when his chief sold him to the Europeans. Most likely he avoided death or slavery in Asia. The slaves who came to America fared much better than the slaves who went to South America or remained in Africa.

If you remove the labels, slaves were pretty much like the military is today. They got 3 hots, a cot, clothes, medical care, and holidays off.

There are some excellent books that illuminate British society circa 1600, and the South organized itself along the same lines as the Brits. Plantations were feudal manors.

Surely, you jest when you say that slavery then is like the military today.

I don't think the military officers are allowed to rape women, beat their slaves, and shoot them if they try and escape. Moreover, the military are given time off. The military don't have to work the cotton fields.

If I was a black man today, I'd have my hand out for recompense, as did the Indians (not offense intended, Cloudy) with their casinos. I'm glad our government has recognized some of the Indian tribes and have taken care of them financial. There are still too many impoverished and living on reservations.

Now, as far as too many African Americans, they still do not receive the same opportunities as does a white man. We should pay to send every African American who can trace his ancestors back to slavery to college for free, and not some community college, a real college, like Howard University or Temple or UMass.

Moreover, every black family should be given a coupon for a new car of their choice, within reason, no Cadillac Escalades or Lincoln Navigators (lol).

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Nope, her's is better.

Normally, I am too verbose when replying to a post. All I can say is..."Wow!"

 

[ottohauser1977]

Surely, you jest when you say that slavery then is like the military today.

I don't think the military officers are allowed to rape women, beat their slaves, and shoot them if they try and escape. Moreover, the military are given time off. The military don't have to work the cotton fields.

If I was a black man today, I'd have my hand out for recompense, as did the Indians (not offense intended, Cloudy) with their casinos. I'm glad our government has recognized some of the Indian tribes and have taken care of them financial. There are still too many impoverished and living on reservations.

Now, as far as too many African Americans, they still do not receive the same opportunities as does a white man. We should pay to send every African American who can trace his ancestors back to slavery to college for free, and not some community college, a real college, like Howard University or Temple or UMass.

Moreover, every black family should be given a coupon for a new car of their choice, within reason, no Cadillac Escalades or Lincoln Navigators (lol).

The problem with reparations is that the present generation is innocent of slavery and segregation. I certainly haven't oppressed any blacks, having only been here for a decade. Why should I pay people who haven't suffered from bondage for said enslavement of their ancestors, when not only didn't I do anything to them, but my ancestors didn't, either?

 

[trysail]

And enslave native Russians, too. Among others. The term "slavery" has its origins in a reference to the Slavic origins of many medieval slaves.

It's nice to see a familiarity with the etymology of the the word Slav ( and, of course, Slavic ).

Norse slave-raiding throughout the eastern Baltic and down the Volga are well-documented and the origin of these words is the philological equivalent of DNA evidence.

 

[ottohauser1977]

It's nice to see a familiarity with the etymology of the the word Slav ( and, of course, Slavic ).

Norse slave-raiding throughout the eastern Baltic and down the Volga are well-documented and the origin of these words is the philological equivalent of DNA evidence.

I am rather well educated, despite the best efforts of Erich Honecker to prevent that.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Well put.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

The problem with reparations is that the present generation is innocent of slavery and segregation. I certainly haven't oppressed any blacks, having only been here for a decade. Why should I pay people who haven't suffered from bondage for said enslavement of their ancestors, when not only didn't I do anything to them, but my ancestors didn't, either?

This country was built off the sweat of slave labor. The least that we can do as a civilized society, no matter who had slaves or didn't have slaves, is to give blacks equality in employment and in education.

Further, I say we trace who had the slaves back then and those people who are still wealthy should pay up what they owe. The Germans should be made to do the same with the Jews. The Swiss should be held accountable for all the monies that they stole from the Germans and the Jews.

Lastly, bashers should be required to read all 644 of my story and poem posts and give me a 5 vote.

There, I feel better getting all that off my chest. It makes me proud being a Jewish black man. Sammy Davis, Jr. move over.