Seamless Transition?

[Misty_Morning]

What ya think?

I am impressed that Bush has instructed his personnel to make every effort to accommodate the President elect.

This was not the case when he took office. (Which I totally expected of Clinton). And it wasn't the first time that an out going President provided little help to the incoming Pres.

Some Presidents had left in the middle of the night. Talk about a slap in the face.

Say what you (and I) will about Bush...but it does appear that he wants Obama's transition to go smoothly.

It would be nice to have a transition of power that is not hostile.


We deserve that.


Let's hope that the partisanship stops now.

Let's hope that Obama can begin his presidency with the support of the people he needs. That means ...all of us.

Let's put aside the BS and give the man a chance.

Though I did not vote for him...I support him. Now let's see if the party I belong to will do the same.

 

[Huckleman2000]

What ya think?

I am impressed that Bush has instructed his personnel to make every effort to accommodate the President elect.

This was not the case when he took office. (Which I totally expected of Clinton). And it wasn't the first time that an out going President provided little help to the incoming Pres.

Some Presidents had left in the middle of the night. Talk about a slap in the face.

Say what you (and I) will about Bush...but it does appear that he wants Obama's transition to go smoothly.

It would be nice to have a transition of power that is not hostile.


We deserve that.


Let's hope that the partisanship stops now.

Let's hope that Obama can begin his presidency with the support of the people he needs. That means ...all of us.

Let's put aside the BS and give the man a chance.

Though I did not vote for him...I support him. Now let's see if the party I belong to will do the same.

Maybe you could start by not using grandiose displays of your supposed magnanimity to pump up the lame duck in the White House and take another lame swipe at Clinton.

 

[sr71plt]

What ya think?

I am impressed that Bush has instructed his personnel to make every effort to accommodate the President elect.

This was not the case when he took office. (Which I totally expected of Clinton). And it wasn't the first time that an out going President provided little help to the incoming Pres.

Some Presidents had left in the middle of the night. Talk about a slap in the face.

Say what you (and I) will about Bush...but it does appear that he wants Obama's transition to go smoothly.

It would be nice to have a transition of power that is not hostile.


We deserve that.


Let's hope that the partisanship stops now.

Let's hope that Obama can begin his presidency with the support of the people he needs. That means ...all of us.

Let's put aside the BS and give the man a chance.

Though I did not vote for him...I support him. Now let's see if the party I belong to will do the same.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall to watch that friendly vice presidential transition process.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Maybe you could start by not using grandiose displays of your supposed magnanimity to pump up the lame duck in the White House and take another lame swipe at Clinton.

That comment was a little disingenuous don't you think?

 

[Misty_Morning]

That comment was a little disingenuous don't you think?

Nope.

I think it displayed exactly what we need to avoid.....stupidity.

Apparently Huck has very little nads and needs to appear as though he be the man.

Ummm....maybe he's my exhusband.


It's time to put away the BS and support the next president. And it time to stop the partisan BS and start building a better furture.

 

[sr71plt]

Yes, it's time to dust off Camelot, but it's a little naive to expect the transition from a 20-percent-approval conservative Republican White House to a palm-branches-under-his-feet liberal Democratic White House to be anything close to seamless. The nice-nice will only be superficial rhetoric. It's not time to lose a sense of the realistic--the new administration can't really use the fairy dust assumptions with what has to be done now.

 

[Edward Teach]

What ya think?

I am impressed that Bush has instructed his personnel to make every effort to accommodate the President elect.

This was not the case when he took office. (Which I totally expected of Clinton). And it wasn't the first time that an out going President provided little help to the incoming Pres.

Some Presidents had left in the middle of the night. Talk about a slap in the face.

Say what you (and I) will about Bush...but it does appear that he wants Obama's transition to go smoothly.

It would be nice to have a transition of power that is not hostile.


We deserve that.


Let's hope that the partisanship stops now.

Let's hope that Obama can begin his presidency with the support of the people he needs. That means ...all of us.

Let's put aside the BS and give the man a chance.

Though I did not vote for him...I support him. Now let's see if the party I belong to will do the same.

Misty, I think you are mistaken about the Clinton White House's lack of cooperation transitioning to Bush 43. It was one of the shortest ever and one of the smoothest according to the NY Times.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE1DC1039F930A35757C0A9629C8B63

As I recall and as partly reported in the linked article, the Bush team didn't want to listen to intel concerning terrorist activity and rejected Sandy Berger and Madalyn Albright's efforts to advise them on Afghanistan. The basic Afghanistan invasion plan and strategy was the Clinton Administration's plan that had to be hurriedly implemented after 9-11.

 

[Huckleman2000]

That comment was a little disingenuous don't you think?

Disingenuous? I thought I was being pretty clear and honest.

I remember the Clinton-to-Bush transition. After being appointed President by the SCOTUS, Bush's team came in with all sorts of condescension about how "the adults are in charge now" and fabricated stories about all the Ws being removed from the keyboards and Hillary looting the place.

Clinton left Bush a nation with a budget surplus and an efficient federal government system. Since then we've learned that then-President Clinton deferred to Bush in choosing not to retaliate against Al Queda for the bombing of the USS Cole. That sounds pretty cooperative.

The nation Obama inherits, on the other hand, is a mess.

Oh yeah, though. Bush told his staff to cooperate. Big of him.

Sorry, I can see what's coming next. First issue that comes up, conservatives will be all about "bipartisanship". Republicans have spent the last 40 years trying to divide the country - you don't get to don the Crown of Inclusivity two days after losing by running the most divisive campaign in modern history.

 

[DeeZire]

It's time to put away the BS and support the next president. And it time to stop the partisan BS and start building a better furture.

Although the sentiment is admirable, the NY Times article appears to render the accusation in the first post as BS. So, about stopping the partisan BS, perhaps editing the BS out of the first post would be a good start?

 

[Huckleman2000]

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[Luke's Angel]

Maybe you could start by not using grandiose displays of your supposed magnanimity to pump up the lame duck in the White House and take another lame swipe at Clinton.

That was beautiful.

 

[Misty_Morning]

So much for trying to eliminate bipartisanship.


And to reiterate...Clinton was a fuckwad and the reason I became a republican.

 

[sr71plt]

So much for trying to eliminate bipartisanship.


And to reiterate...Clinton was a fuckwad and the reason I became a republican.

OPPS. You can't see the contradiction in those two statements? The first step to bipartisanship is to give up hard-edge judgmentalism enhanced with profanity.

 

[Misty_Morning]

OPPS. You can't see the contradiction in those two statements? The first step to bipartisanship is to give up hard-edge judgmentalism enhanced with profanity.

Indeed I can, and did when I wrote them.

Funny how reactions seem to occur.

We know they are coming, but we just can't stop them....or can we?


I'll try again.....


We finally have a chance to begin again.

It's time to put aside past hatreds and start anew.


I am more than willing to try...how 'bout you?


I'm curious to find out just how many folks can extend their hand and say...yes we can.



My hand is out...take it...lets start now.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Proof positive that liberals are bad winners.

 

[MzDeviancy]

Proof positive that liberals are bad winners.

I was about to make a snide remark about how "gracious" Republicans are, but, you know what, instead, I'm going to try and get into the spirit of discussion the author of this thread intended.

I would like to ask a couple of questions of you Republicans:

Why are you Republicans? (And "Bill Clinton" is not really sufficiently explanatory)

What are you talking about when you go off about the "godamn Liberal media"? (Please provide specific examples and not just overall feelings that you have.)

Why is there so much negative sentiment toward the Democrats?

Lots of Republicans talk about being scared of what will happen when a Democrat gets into the White House; what do you (or other Republicans) believe is going to happen?

 

[Misty_Morning]

I was about to make a snide remark about how "gracious" Republicans are, but, you know what, instead, I'm going to try and get into the spirit of discussion the author of this thread intended.

I would like to ask a couple of questions of you Republicans:

Why are you Republicans? (And "Bill Clinton" is not really sufficiently explanatory)

What are you talking about when you go off about the "godamn Liberal media"? (Please provide specific examples and not just overall feelings that you have.)

Why is there so much negative sentiment toward the Democrats?

Lots of Republicans talk about being scared of what will happen when a Democrat gets into the White House; what do you (or other Republicans) believe is going to happen?

Sweety...I would LOVE to respond to this....


How bout a PM? Cuz I don't think I can take all the attacks.....and BTW....I am what some would consider a reborn republican.....was a diehard liberal democrat....and in some ways....still am......but you know....sometimes I wonder...

 

[DeeZire]

My hand is out...take it...lets start now.

I felt genuine compassion for McCain while watching his concession speech. (Hey, I'm trying!)

A comment on the liberal media: just the nature of the beast - gathering information for mediocre pay - would require a personality type that rejects greed in favor of more altruistic goals - hence, you would expect more liberals in that field, just as you would expect more conservatives making a killing on Wall Street, or actually killing humans out on the battlefield weilding their precious guns.

Plus, there is the tendency for conservatives to be fearful of information - ala Bush censoring the scientific community in his EPA reports - which would put conservatives at a disadvantage if they were working in the media in an unbiased manner.

These two points could explain the abundance of liberals working in the media. As far as the percieved bias goes, one can find a percieved bias anywhere one wishes to look. The important thing is the integrity of the information. Comparing the information coming from the right vs. the left leaves one with the distinct impression that the so-called liberal bias is nothing compared to the obvious conservative bias.

Of course this subject has been beaten to death in the various documentaries on the lack of integrity of FOX news and right wing talk radio, but it's always fun to ponder the absurdity of it all.

 

[Misty_Morning]

I felt genuine compassion for McCain while watching his concession speech. (Hey, I'm trying!)

A comment on the liberal media: just the nature of the beast - gathering information for mediocre pay - would require a personality type that rejects greed in favor of more altruistic goals - hence, you would expect more liberals in that field, just as you would expect more conservatives making a killing on Wall Street, or actually killing humans out on the battlefield weilding their precious guns.

Plus, there is the tendency for conservatives to be fearful of information - ala Bush censoring the scientific community in his EPA reports - which would put conservatives at a disadvantage if they were working in the media in an unbiased manner.

These two points could explain the abundance of liberals working in the media. As far as the percieved bias goes, one can find a percieved bias anywhere one wishes to look. The important thing is the integrity of the information. Comparing the information coming from the right vs. the left leaves one with the distinct impression that the so-called liberal bias is nothing compared to the obvious conservative bias.

Of course this subject has been beaten to death in the various documentaries on the lack of integrity of FOX news and right wing talk radio, but it's always fun to ponder the absurdity of it all.

I was there with you till the last paragraph.


I think true journalism is dead in America.

The NYT is a complete joke as is NBC. Foxnews is nearly as bad.

Talk about the spectrum......just talking about them I can see ROYGBIV! But folks tend to chose who the believe....just like politics.

But the News shouldn't be political.

It should be....news.

And we should be able to make our decisions based upon facts.

But everyone has an agenda.

It's time we stopped this.

We can do it........or was that just a chant?


Yes we can......(another chant?).....



We need Joe Friday.....just the fact's M'am......




Just the facts?


Sounds too good to be true....

 

[DeeZire]

The NYT is a complete joke as is NBC. Foxnews is nearly as bad.

NBC is more biased than Fox?

But folks tend to chose who the believe....just like politics.

You just proved your point. And mine. I perceive a huge bias at Fox, you perceive a huge bias at NBC. We are victims of our perception, even though we're both trying to be objective. It's just human nature.

I would be perfectly happy to see a factcheck.org type of news channel, but I'm afraid they wouldn't be able to find any sponsors. Speaking of which, PBS news comes the closest to that ideal, which might be the reason they have to beg for sponsorship from their viewers.

 

[Liar]

So much for trying to eliminate bipartisanship.

I'm sorry, but I can't help being cynical. Why did every Republican wait to plead for bipartisanship now, when it's convenient for your side of the political fence?

You might be genuine about it, I'll assume you are. But you got to understand why the timing of it makes all those who've been repeatedly shafted over the last eight years, who reached out with bipartisan hands only to have the neocons wipe their asses with them, a little suspicious?

Everywhere I look, I see the same sentiments expressed, put in a blatant attempt by people whose relevance got marginalized overnight to cling on to some kind of ideological leverage. Conservative pundits and politicians repeating the same thing over and over "Obama better reach across the aisle, he doesn't have a mandate for progressive policies, this is still a center-right country."

Uh, the people says otherwise. They elected a progressive president with a comfortable margin, and strenghtened the left's position in the house and senate. Why is it that when Bush got elected by the tiniest margin ever, he was immediately thought of by the same people as having the mandate to steamroll the opposition and steer the country intro neocon alley, but Obama's much more decisive victory is touted as "not enough of a mandate"?

This is why is smells fishy, and this is why democrats react as they do. Even of your intemtions may be pure.

 

[Liar]

You just proved your point. And mine. I perceive a huge bias at Fox, you perceive a huge bias at NBC.

And you're both right.

From what I can tell, MSNBC (the NBC news brand, right?) was pretty meek in the beginning, but at some point decided to "oh to hell with it, let's beat Fox News at their own game", and became agressively partisan. Pitching Oblermann as the anti-OReilly is not a coincidence, it's marketing strategy.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

There wont be a new beginning because politics isnt about conciliation and pulling together. Politics is a racket like dope or boot-legging, and the Al Capone's et al dont do team sports when it comes to money, influence, and power. Nancy Pelosi will beat Obama's brains out with a baseball bat if she gets a chance.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Maybe Bush finally feels guilty for the condition in which he's left this country.
He's like a renter, trying to put toothpaste over the holes in the wall.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Maybe Bush finally feels guilty for the condition in which he's left this country.
He's like a renter, trying to put toothpaste over the holes in the wall.

*chuckle*

Right. After the dog's pissed all over the rug for the past eight years and the drunken brawls every weekend left the place pretty well trashed.

Yep. Toothpaste over the nail holes is a spot-on analogy for what's happening now, I'd say...