And lets not forget effing NE...

[Guest]

they voted that 'single' people are not allowed to adopt or foster children.... this was aimed specifically at making sure gay couples who in that state are not allowed 'marriage' cannot adopt.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

they voted that 'single' people are not allowed to adopt or foster children.... this was aimed specifically at making sure gay couples who in that state are not allowed 'marriage' cannot adopt.

Oh for chrissakes.

This has got to stop.

 

[DesertPirate]

Single people can't adopt.
You can ditch a kid of any age.
Nebraska is the epitomy of stupidity in action.

 

[Guest]

I just shake my head.... how incredibly sad.

Apparently it's perfectly acceptable to leave how many children in orphanages and foster care that could very well be adopted by 'single' people that are more then qualified to do so but now can't because "we want to make sure that them there queers cannot get our straight kids" (and yes I actually overheard someone say that)

 

[Selena_Kitt]

"we want to make sure that them there queers cannot get our straight kids" (and yes I actually overheard someone say that)

Let's hope Obama DOES make education a priority, shall we?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That was what we had in mind when we voted against it. Kids need moms and dads. Adopt a dog.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ahhh Nebraska! That hardworking main provider of meth to the nation!

 

[Guest]

Uh, folks?

I hate to explode a good urban election myth, but that wasn't on the ballot in Nebraska.

You mean Arkansas.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553

 

[JagFarlane]

Actually it goes a little like this:

Arizona: Ban on gay marriage approved

Arkansas: Ban on gay couples adopting children approved

California: Ban on gay marriage approved

Florida: Ban on gay marriage approved

Ballot results

NE, btw, voted to end affirmative action

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Bad day for the Usual Suspects, but they have Obama as a consolation prize.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

NE, btw, voted to end affirmative action

Oh, that was NE's deal... got it.

Damn, that's a really nasty message across the board.

Obama's got a lotta work a head of him...

 

[tickledkitty]

Right, because we all know children raised in institutions (because there aren't enough loving homes) are much, much better off than those raised in a loving home where the parents might be gay. Because, afterall, we know gay=pedophile, right? I meen, jeez, being gay is like the absolute WORST thing in the world. Good lord, the gayness might rub off on the youngsters. Ignorant and narrow minded and heterosexual is much more acceptable. God, it's nauseating.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

TK

Kids need male & female parents. Each sex contributes half of what kids need in the way of role modeling. Period.

Kids do not exist to make gays feel better about themselves. And THAT is what the issue is:Kids make gays feel less weird.

 

[sweetness6280]

TK

Kids need male & female parents. Each sex contributes half of what kids need in the way of role modeling. Period.

Kids do not exist to make gays feel better about themselves. And THAT is what the issue is:Kids make gays feel less weird.

So by your logic, if my husband dies tomorrow, my kids are basically screwed?

There is NO empirical evidence that suggests that children must be raised by one man and one woman. Many productive, healthy, and happy adults were raised by a single parent, grandparent, etc. There are also many sociopaths who were raised by a mother and father in a "traditional" family model. There are so many other factors that come into play here.

Kids do need strong role models of both sexes to develop, but those role models do not necessarily have to be in the form of a male/female marriage. More important than "traditional" (whatever that means) marriage is a stable, loving home environment where a child is accepted and loved.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SWEETNESS

What I say is: Eating a balanced diet is better for you than a diet limited to fats, starches, and sugar.

I know lesbians who are terrific parents, but kids still need male parents.

We can make the argument about resources. Kids do much better when their parents have adequate resources. Kids do better when their parents arent crazy as outhouse rats. Kids do better when there parents arent paralyzed.

You can get around on one leg, but two is optimal.

 

[sweetness6280]

SWEETNESS

What I say is: Eating a balanced diet is better for you than a diet limited to fats, starches, and sugar.

I know lesbians who are terrific parents, but kids still need male parents.

We can make the argument about resources. Kids do much better when their parents have adequate resources. Kids do better when their parents arent crazy as outhouse rats. Kids do better when there parents arent paralyzed.

You can get around on one leg, but two is optimal.

The tone of this post is much different than the one I answered, and I happen to agree with most of what you say in this post.

The issue here is passing a law that prohibits single people (and therefore gay people) from adopting. It suggests that children are better off in foster care or group homes than they would be with a single parent who loves and cares for them, regardless of that parent's sexual orientation.

I think the children in question would disagree with you.

 

[tickledkitty]

TK

Kids need male & female parents. Each sex contributes half of what kids need in the way of role modeling. Period.

Kids do not exist to make gays feel better about themselves. And THAT is what the issue is:Kids make gays feel less weird.

Yes, in a perfect world, which this, obviously, is not.

My choice, should both myself and my husband die before our child is of age is that she should to go to a gay relative. We discussed it for a long time before making the decision. This relative is, without a doubt, the best choice. The only choice, really. I would much rather my child be raised by someone who loves her than by an institution or in foster care. God only knows what could happen to her. I certainly don't want the government overriding us on this.

I think this type of thinking is leading down a really scary path.

 

[Guest]

Right, because we all know children raised in institutions (because there aren't enough loving homes) are much, much better off than those raised in a loving home where the parents might be gay. Because, afterall, we know gay=pedophile, right? I meen, jeez, being gay is like the absolute WORST thing in the world. Good lord, the gayness might rub off on the youngsters. Ignorant and narrow minded and heterosexual is much more acceptable. God, it's nauseating.

Okay.... that actually made me giggle. I know... its sarcasm... but still made me giggle.

 

[tickledkitty]

Okay.... that actually made me giggle. I know... its sarcasm... but still made me giggle.

It's what I do best.

 

[Guest]

Hmmmmmmmm so lemme get this straight... lets remove the gay part of the equation for the moment. No single parents because they are not good enough to raise a child on their own......

so does that mean that we should outlaw women from having children without a man in their lives that is going to be there permanently? And what about divorce... if they children either stay with one parent or the other.... should the children be removed because there is not two parents there...?

See here is the thing, when you make sweeping legislation in order to disenfranchise one group of people you have a tendency to fuck others in the process.

 

[Belegon]

No single parents because they are not good enough to raise a child on their own......

Right, because no child of a single mother ever accomplished anything of note.

Wait... who won the election again?

Never mind.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SWEETNESS.

When Jeb Bush was governor of Florida he assumed that all state workers were liberal Democrats. So he acted to injure state workers whenever an opportunity came along, especially teachers because teachers are very demonstrative in their opposition to Republicans and conservatives. They made life hard for Jeb and he made life hard for everyone.

Conservatives have the same sort of global animosity for gays. The Queer Nation element is very demonstrative and antagonistic to conservatives, and most of us lump the rest in with the Queer Nation folks. So we're not disposed to be generous and kind to gays in general. We see no reason to believe that gays will help us with other issues, and we fuck them when we can.

The gay community needs to decide what its willing to horse trade for normalization.

 

[tickledkitty]

The Queer Nation element is very demonstrative and antagonistic to conservatives...we fuck them when we can.

 

[Safe_Bet]

MUAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[rgraham666]

Please! Don't quote the troll.