Barack Obama is lying about not being friends with Bill Ayers...

[Ishmael]

Ishmael, is it okay to officially label this guy as a shallow thinker?

He certainly doesn't seem inclined to do any in depth research of his own.

Ishmael

 

[The_Trouvere]

Have you ever considered professional help?

What you need is professional harm.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

He certainly doesn't seem inclined to do any in depth research of his own.

Ishmael

Obsessive and might quick to a conclusion...

Betcha he thinks: Market Crash = Republican Philosophy and De-Regulation





Someone even wants to see me harmed...

 

[Ishmael]

Obsessive and might quick to a conclusion...

Betcha he thinks: Market Crash = Republican Philosophy and De-Regulation





Someone even wants to see me harmed...

I noticed that. That's the "all inclusive" crowd for ya.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Yeah, tolerant of Radical Islam, unwavering in their contempt for conservative thinking...

 

[hogjack]

When Ishy and the Cap'n start their mutual jack-a-thon it's best to don the goggles and get behind the extra-thick plexiglass protective barrier.

Their interaction gets kinda messy. Reports are their Chat sessions are steamy.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Ah...




The cream always rises to the top...

 

[The Mutt]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/The_Mutt_pics/Obama.jpg

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

*chuckle*







lol

 

[RobDownSouth]

When Ishy and the Cap'n start their mutual jack-a-thon it's best to don the goggles and get behind the extra-thick plexiglass protective barrier.

Their interaction gets kinda messy. Reports are their Chat sessions are steamy.

Makes you wonder just how empty their lives were before they met.

 

[hogjack]

Makes you wonder just how empty their lives were before they met.

Actually, it's kind of cool that they met on Lit. Lots of folks tease Ishy and Cap'n but it's all in good jest.

Before their Lit lives began they were not "empty" - they reached middle-age with a modicum of success - but there was a obvious void in their lives. Many posters on the Lit forums are in the same situation.

When two mature adults who share so much in common find each other it's a victory for romance. These kind of stories give everyone hope. And that it is all played out in a public exchange is a testament to their willingness to be a beacon of light!

 

[tactful]

Politicians don't lie, they might, exaggerate a teensy-weensy bit, but, they don't lie, one of them told me so.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Good Lord, we could make butter...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

McCain's critics are offended that he raised the issue of William Ayers. What's astonishing is that Obama was himself not offended by William Ayers.

Moreover, the most remarkable of all tactical choices of this election season is the attack that never was. Out of extreme (and unnecessary) conscientiousness, McCain refused to raise the legitimate issue of Obama's most egregious association -- with the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Dirty campaigning, indeed.

Charles Krauthammer

http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/10/24/mccain_the_stalwart

 

[TWB]

G. Gordon Liddy about US Government Employees working for the ATF: "Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of bitches."

How close are McCain and Liddy? In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns -- including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."


Like shooting US government employees in the head.

Nice.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I'm voting for Bob Barr; knock of the partisan attacks and stop deflecting; the other kids were doing it too has never, ever been a valid defense.





You go start a thread if that's your topic of discussion for the day.

 

[TWB]

Well, the point is that if you meet someone and they donate to your campaign, it does not necessarily lead to you approving everything they have done in their lives.

If Obama is a terrorist because of his associations, so is McCain.

This whole thread is an extention of McCain's attempt to label Obama a terrorist or terrorist supporter. The logic behind it is flawed. If it is not, McCain is also a terrorist or terrorist supporter.

You go start a thread if that's your topic of discussion for the day.

LOL... don't like anyone posting anything rational in your thread?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

You haven't even perused the thread, the scope and breadth of the topic is very deep and very interesting as is your complete lack of curiostiy and quickness to judgement, a hallmark of every single Democrat reply in the face of math that shows William Ayers probably wrote Obama's book, at the least.




If you come up with a huge cover-up of McCain actually wanting to shoot people with Liddy, go have some fun with it, but try and do some research first.




Half-cocked isn't a good look for any man.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Here's the thing T, if he's willing to lie to us about his and Michelle's long deep ties to Ayers and Dohrn, how can we believe him on anything else?

Example:

Last week, I asked Brian Deese, an Obama economic adviser, to explain the rationale behind the campaign's claim to cut taxes on 95 percent of Americans. As critics of the plan have pointed out, more than a third of Americans pay no income taxes, and thus his tax credits can easily be described as government handouts.

Deese responded to me by email, arguing that it was important to differentiate between income taxes that many people escape, and payroll taxes, which nearly every worker pays to fund Social Security and other entitlements.

"Obama’s Making Work Pay Tax Credit will directly cut taxes for 95% of all workers," he wrote, insisting that it would benefit all those with incomes under $150,000. The plan would "offset" the 6.2 percent employee payroll tax on the first $8,100 of income earned, according to the campaign, translating into as much as a $500 payment per individual and $1,000 payment per couple.

There's a persistent myth that the federal government actually has two bank accounts -- one that stores the payroll tax revenue left over after it makes payments to current Social Security beneficiaries, and a general bank account that funds remaining government services, mainly through income tax revenue. But practically speaking, since the federal government borrows from the Social Security system to help finance its deficit, all the money ends up in the same pot.

In other words, the smoke and mirrors routine surrounding Obama's tax proposal has been conjured up just so that the Obama campaign can make the dubious claim that its plan would "still preserv[e] the important principle of a dedicated revenue source for Social Security."

Of course, "principle" is the operative word.

Here's the problem. If the Obama campaign wants to pretend that it would preserve the idea of having two bank accounts, it means that workers will pay their payroll taxes throughout the year and their money will be deposited in the Social Security system. Only after the fact will they receive "tax credits," but those will be paid out of income tax revenue -- and thus, to paraphrase Obama, they'd be spreading the wealth around. (Again, because more than a third of Americans do not pay income tax, but 95 percent would be receiving checks from the Obama administration.)

Philip Klein
http://www.spectator.org/archives/2008/10/24/its-a-raid

 

[zipman]

Well, the point is that if you meet someone and they donate to your campaign, it does not necessarily lead to you approving everything they have done in their lives.

If Obama is a terrorist because of his associations, so is McCain.

This whole thread is an extention of McCain's attempt to label Obama a terrorist or terrorist supporter. The logic behind it is flawed. If it is not, McCain is also a terrorist or terrorist supporter.



LOL... don't like anyone posting anything rational in your thread?

Listen, either agree with good old, non-partisan A_J or take your damn logic and facts somewhere else.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

It's not that Obama is a terrorist by association, it's not even about Ayers being a terrorist, it's about Obama saying, "I hardly knew the guy."

The first two, I give you, mean nothing by themselves.


The denial says everthing we need to know because it is a proveable lie, they were, in fact, working associates and all Obama had to do was say that, but like everyone else inconvenient, he was simply thrown under the bus.

Peter denied Christ three times...

Before embracing him whole-heartedly.

 

[zipman]

It's not that Obama is a terrorist by association, it's not even about Ayers being a terrorist, it's about Obama saying, "I hardly knew the guy."

The first two, I give you, mean nothing by themselves.


The denial says everthing we need to know because it is a proveable lie, they were, in fact, working associates and all Obama had to do was say that, but like everyone else inconvenient, he was simply thrown under the bus.

Peter denied Christ three times...

Before embracing him whole-heartedly.

So it's Christian mythology that is really the issue?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

So it's Christian mythology that is really the issue?

Just a pararable, like Aesop...

The point is the pattern.

Wright, Ayers, ACORN: The first blush is, ancillary contact, but when we start doing the work the Times will not do (for political gain/goal) we find in each instance that he actually had an involved relationship.

Then some nut comes along, like busybody, and starts in with, Obama was born in Kenya, and we have proof, and suddenly, I have to give that creedence to, at least long enough to debunk it, because everything else has been smoke and mirors...

Some people are just going to "believe" it, just like some people were willing to believe Obama's first story in the above cases, an act which requires a willing suspension of dis-belief.

 

[zipman]

Just a pararable, like Aesop...

The point is the pattern.

Wright, Ayers, ACORN: The first blush is, ancillary contact, but when we start doing the work the Times will not do (for political gain/goal) we find in each instance that he actually had an involved relationship.

Then some nut comes along, like busybody, and starts in with, Obama was born in Kenya, and we have proof, and suddenly, I have to give that creedence to, at least long enough to debunk it, because everything else has been smoke and mirors...

Some people are just going to "believe" it, just like some people were willing to believe Obama's first story in the above cases, an act which requires a willing suspension of dis-belief.

If have an issue with his attending Wright's church, that is a legitimate issue.

Ayers and ACORN are just bullshit attempts by a desperate campaign to smear Obama.

That makes the pattern of lies a GOP problem, not an Obama one.

 

[miles]

Obama is lying every time he opens his mouth.