Alienated Kids.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/22/BA3713MBJT.DTL

Lets not help parents and kids bond....lets provide more therapists! YES!

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Another great reason to home school.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SELENA

My California daughter is a teacher. She became fed up with the public schools and teaches her kids at home. My grand-daughter, Samantha, graduated high school at 15 and is a college student now.

More important, theyre all very close and no one needs therapy.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

SELENA

My California daughter is a teacher. She became fed up with the public schools and teaches her kids at home. My grand-daughter, Samantha, graduated high school at 15 and is a college student now.

More important, theyre all very close and no one needs therapy.

Isn't it funny how that works?

 

[CeriseNoire]

Yes, yes. Everything is the fault of teachers. That said, I'll point out that we aren't the ones mandating therapy, various labels, etc. For that matter, we're generally not the ones making any of the decisions. Hopefully, some day teachers will finally get some sense and switch careers, so that every parent can homeschool.

 

[Sandy_Fox]

Yes, yes. Everything is the fault of teachers. That said, I'll point out that we aren't the ones mandating therapy, various labels, etc. For that matter, we're generally not the ones making any of the decisions. Hopefully, some day teachers will finally get some sense and switch careers, so that every parent can homeschool.

It's not the teacher's it's the stupid ass system.

My wife is hispanic making my daughterrs 50% hispanic. Because of this fact we had to fight like hell with the administration, the school board and finally threaten to sue to keep them OUT of the English as a Second Language Program.

Both their kindergarden and first grade teachers stood beside us and argued their case against it as well. What was so funny was that my kids could only speak a few words of spanish. Mom taught them english. But the bone head admin, backed to the hilt by the school board wouldn't listen to us or the kids teachers. I found out later that the whole issue was because the school got paid more for kids in the ESL program.

 

[CeriseNoire]

It's not the teacher's it's the stupid ass system.

My wife is hispanic making my daughterrs 50% hispanic. Because of this fact we had to fight like hell with the administration, the school board and finally threaten to sue to keep them OUT of the English as a Second Language Program.

Both their kindergarden and first grade teachers stood beside us and argued their case against it as well. What was so funny was that my kids could only speak a few words of spanish. Mom taught them english. But the bone head admin, backed to the hilt by the school board wouldn't listen to us or the kids teachers. I found out later that the whole issue was because the school got paid more for kids in the ESL program.

I know. People prefer to blame teachers though; it's a recurring theme

As for the ESL thing, there is indeed the money issue. On the other end of the spectrum, there's also the threat of being sued for non-compliance when the child happens not to pass a state assessment and the school didn't provide ESL services. Basically, once you check that box on the home language survey, we're required to offer services until testing can be done.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SANDY

The problem is bureaucrats handle language education all wrong. They make scholarship into disrespect for American traditions.

Its a good thing to know Spanish. My school taught everyone Spanish 50 years ago. But it wasnt politicized. You learned English AND you learned Spanish.

When you elect me President THATS how it will be. You'll learn both languages in school. All the bullshit courses will be cancelled to make room.

We need to do the same with other subjects. Everyone takes American History and Civics, and if you want some electives offer World History, African History, whatever.

 

[Sandy_Fox]

SANDY

The problem is bureaucrats handle language education all wrong. They make scholarship into disrespect for American traditions.

Its a good thing to know Spanish. My school taught everyone Spanish 50 years ago. But it wasnt politicized. You learned English AND you learned Spanish.

When you elect me President THATS how it will be. You'll learn both languages in school. All the bullshit courses will be cancelled to make room.

We need to do the same with other subjects. Everyone takes American History and Civics, and if you want some electives offer World History, African History, whatever.

JAMESBJOHNSON

I wouldn't elect you to wipe my ass. Deal with it.

 

[Safe_Bet]

JAMESBJOHNSON

I wouldn't elect you to wipe my ass. Deal with it.

*JuiceSpew*

(You caught on fast! )

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Another vicious Messiah supporter.

 

[CeriseNoire]

We need to do the same with other subjects. Everyone takes American History and Civics, and if you want some electives offer World History, African History, whatever.

There are states where kids don't have to take U.S History and Civics?

Also, you think World History is unimportant? That seems like a dangerous idea. Don't people need to know their country's relationship (and the roots thereof) in order to be good citizens? Although I guess uninformed citizens are easier to manipulate.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I have nothing against teachers. As a whole. (Individual teachers I've had experience with, a different story...) They just have their hands tied by the bureaucrats, unfortunately. They can't do much, with what they have.

 

[CeriseNoire]

I have nothing against teachers. As a whole. (Individual teachers I've had experience with, a different story...) They just have their hands tied by the bureaucrats, unfortunately. They can't do much, with what they have.

Sorry, I get a bit touchy on the subject (obviously ). Sometimes I just think of all the work many of us do put in despite everything else, and it gets a bit rough consistently hearing it's never good enough.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CN

I think World History is very important, thats why I suggest IT and others be electives.

Personally I'd prefer courses that combine history, geography, and current events in one package....rather than spend two weeks on...say...Egypt...in a WH course. Make Egypt a semester course. Ditto for..say..South Africa.

But American History and Civics need to be mandatory.

 

[tickledkitty]

Hopefully, some day teachers will finally get some sense and switch careers, so that every parent can homeschool.

Oh, God. Please. No.

 

[Katyusha]

But American History and Civics need to be mandatory.

Where I grew up they are. So was American Government. They were both full-year classes. I can't think of anybody I know anywhere in this country that wasn't required to take American History/Civics, and I can't think of anybody who had less than two semesters of it when they were in school.

 

[CeriseNoire]

Where I grew up they are. So was American Government. They were both full-year classes. I can't think of anybody I know anywhere in this country that wasn't required to take American History/Civics, and I can't think of anybody who had less than two semesters of it when they were in school.

That's what I was thinking. When I was in high school (in NY state) we needed one full year of US History, one semester of Economic, and one semester of Civics to graduate. As far as I know, the kids in my district have to pass US History and Civics to get their high school diploma.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

TICKLED-KITTY

Accept it; teaching isnt valued in America.

I've wondered and prayed about it until it seems to me the answer is: TEACHERS CANNOT MAKE SILK PURSES FROM SOW EARS. Education is hardly more productive of satisfactory results than is shoveling shit against the tide.

First, fully half of all students are incapable of absorbing lessons that pertain to anything but vices.

Second, another 49% cant be less interested in scholarship. They lack discipline.

The final 1% will do well with or without a teacher.

 

[CeriseNoire]

First, fully half of all students are incapable of absorbing lessons that pertain to anything but vices.

Second, another 49% cant be less interested in scholarship. They lack discipline.

The final 1% will do well with or without a teacher.

I do see part of that, but I think I'm still too young to see things quite that bleakly. I do get irritated with the obsession with force feeding college prep to kids who have no need, desire, or ability for college coursework. I also agree that some kids couldn't care less and others would be fine with or without teachers. Still, there are a few kids who have the potential do need the extra guidance to get on the right track.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CN

Teachers have never been valued. Its not a new phenomenon.

I recently received an 1860 diary of a teacher who tried to teach several kids related to me. His diary is filled with complaints about what oafs they were.

Scholarship seems to appeal to about 1%-2% of all students.

 

[CeriseNoire]

CN

Teachers have never been valued. Its not a new phenomenon.

I recently received an 1860 diary of a teacher who tried to teach several kids related to me. His diary is filled with complaints about what oafs they were.

I know teachers aren't valued. I noticed that within a month or two of living in the USA. I chose the job nonetheless.

To be honest, most of my issues aren't with the kids usually. I guess for now I can still afford to put up with it. Maybe when I have my own kids I'll have to take a step back from trying to help other peoples'. Still, for now whatever small purpose I serve in those kids' lives is worth it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CN

My point isnt your intrinsic worth, the point is American's dont esteem your worth. We have an expression here: Casting pearls before swine. Its the same with teaching or any noble profession.

 

[CeriseNoire]

CN

My point isnt your intrinsic worth, the point is American's dont esteem your worth. We have an expression here: Casting pearls before swine. Its the same with teaching or any noble profession.

I know. I just meant that for now I have a reason to keep the job.

What does worry me is that those kids are going to in charge when I'm old, and uneducated masses make me nervous. I can just picture a few people with all the knowledge leading them by the nose.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CN

What you say is a perpetual problem and risk.