Sarah Palin

[Pure]

note to rox

pure: //as to rox's analysis
i can't make much sense of this //

rocksDon't worry yourself about it, Pure. It's sophisticated political analysis.

pure: i'm glad you're assisting us in identifying your 'sophisticated' analysies, as opposed to the others.

sophisticated? certainly. also without any particular supporting evidence, merit or validity.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I just have to reprint this:

Originally Posted by Roxanne Appleby
These voters will never vote Dem, because they (rightfully) fear that party will wreck the economy.

 

[sr71plt]

I just have to reprint this:

Originally Posted by Roxanne Appleby
These voters will never vote Dem, because they (rightfully) fear that party will wreck the economy.

Right. I'm still rocking with laughter. I was here at the end of the Clinton term and am here right now, as Bush's adminstration slips the economy under the waves. I have no idea where Rox is--but wherever that is, I think the brain has detached from the body.

 

[Belegon]

I'm with you two in being unsure of whether to gasp or cackle at Roxy.

Even if the Dems really were still the Tax & Spend Party... how is that worse than being the Tax-Cut & Spend More Party?

Imagine sitting with your wife at the kitchen table...

Wife: Honey, these bills just keep piling up. What are we gonna do?

Husband: I know. I'll go to my boss and offer to take a pay cut while we max out the credit cards! That'll fix it!

*shakes head*

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I have no idea where Rox is--but wherever that is, I think the brain has detached from the body.

Comfortably numb?

 

[sr71plt]

Comfortably numb?

Well, I've switched to a smooth Cabernet Franc and am attacking the last third of the review of my next eXcessica anthology--but I'll have to admit that I'm still mumbling about how . . . incredibly . . . stupid . . . that remark was. And it makes me wonder why anyone bothers reading the inane political crap being argued on a porn board. I mean who changes their mind about such things on a board where really . . . stupid . . . remarks like this are rolling around? I mean has someone missed the stock market crash of yesterday or the government takeover of every business in sight in a Hail Mary attempt not to sell the last vestige of ourselves to the Chinese--all under a Repubican adminstration that inherited a budget surplus?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Did you watch the Charlie Gibson interview? I heard it from the woman's own mouth! Go here, click "watch the whole video" and hear it for yourself.

And Rox, you're wrong to dismiss Palin's ideology. Well... not, I guess, if you have the same one, I suppose. But I have lived with people like Palin, whose beliefs rule their lives - literally rule their lives. You might be able to take the woman outta the church, but you can't take this kinda church outta the woman.

I've said it before:



It isn't "just" a few things, Roxanne. I don't agree with her on a myriad of issues, and the fact that she's a fundamentalist is, as someone else said, scary as hell.

You want to minimize it because you don't want the rest of the world to see the danger - but I'm afraid the fundamentalists' reputation precedes them. People already know exactly how they react and what they do.

We might as well elect Jerry Falwell... it would be the same damned thing.

Okay - I read the exerpts and listened to all three parts of the interview. The latter was hard to do because there seemed to be two or three sound tracks going simultaneously. I listened carefully for any mentions of dinosaurs or the age of the Earth. There was nothing said about the subject. At the same time, I had a hard time making any sense out of it because of the sound problems, but the word "dinosaur" was never used, nor was there any mention of the age of the Earth.

BTW: Some are saying that Obama is a Muslim. With all thsat smoke, there may be some fire, but that should be neither here nor there. I think most of us would agree that Obama's religion should be immaterial. That being so, why should Sarah Palin's religion be of any concern?

 

[sr71plt]

Well, we do know that electing Jerry Fallwell would be a message to the nation (and maybe something we deserve). Considering he's dead.

 

[jomar]

Comfortably numb?

Well, I've switched to a smooth Cabernet Franc and am attacking the last third of the review of my next eXcessica anthology--but I'll have to admit that I'm still mumbling about how . . . incredibly . . . stupid . . . that remark was. ...

Not to worry. A bit of cognitive slippage after a long day led to a simple time warp comment. A good night's sleep will straighten things out.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Well, we do know that electing Jerry Fallwell would be a message to the nation (and maybe something we deserve). Considering he's dead.

Falwell never ran, that I know of. Pat Robertson has, and has been soundly rejected.

 

[john-the-author]

I'm with you two in being unsure of whether to gasp or cackle at Roxy.

Even if the Dems really were still the Tax & Spend Party... how is that worse than being the Tax-Cut & Spend More Party?

Imagine sitting with your wife at the kitchen table...

Wife: Honey, these bills just keep piling up. What are we gonna do?

Husband: I know. I'll go to my boss and offer to take a pay cut while we max out the credit cards! That'll fix it!

*shakes head*

I love James Carville's comment: "Back in 2000 a Republican friend warned me that if I voted for Al Gore and he won, the stock market would tank, we'd lose millions of jobs, and our military would be totally overstretched. You know what? I did vote for Gore, he did win, and I'll be damned if all those things didn't come true!"

 

[john-the-author]

Okay - I read the exerpts and listened to all three parts of the interview. The latter was hard to do because there seemed to be two or three sound tracks going simultaneously. I listened carefully for any mentions of dinosaurs or the age of the Earth. There was nothing said about the subject. At the same time, I had a hard time making any sense out of it because of the sound problems, but the word "dinosaur" was never used, nor was there any mention of the age of the Earth.

BTW: Some are saying that Obama is a Muslim. With all thsat smoke, there may be some fire, but that should be neither here nor there. I think most of us would agree that Obama's religion should be immaterial. That being so, why should Sarah Palin's religion be of any concern?

I don't think there's any truth to Obama being a Muslim. He's said he's not any number of times, he's been attending a Christian church for ages, and his family is also Christian. The stuff about him being a Muslim is just the xenophobia (and possibly racism, not sure) of middle America.

Evangelicals seem to have the feeling that the world needs to become Christians of the same stripe as them. Moreover, as someone who's been a witch for the last 31 years (though not actively practicing for some time), I tend to take it personally when someone's holy book says that I should be killed. Muslims are not by definition fundamentalists, but evangelicals pretty much are.

 

[sr71plt]

Falwell never ran, that I know of. Pat Robertson has, and has been soundly rejected.

Shuffles back for any suggesting of a claim Falwell ran for office. Nope.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Well, we do know that electing Jerry Fallwell would be a message to the nation (and maybe something we deserve). Considering he's dead.

The dead can vote. Why can't they be elected?

 

[jomar]

I love James Carville's comment: "Back in 2000 a Republican friend warned me that if I voted for Al Gore and he won, the stock market would tank, we'd lose millions of jobs, and our military would be totally overstretched. You know what? I did vote for Gore, he did win, and I'll be damned if all those things didn't come true!"

I have to laugh to keep from crying.

On the other hand, Gore fucked up Tennessee when he was the Governor.

 

[cloudy]

I have to laugh to keep from crying.

On the other hand, Gore fucked up Tennessee when he was the Governor.

Gore was never governor of Tennessee.

That said, he certainly fucked it up as a senator.

 

[sr71plt]

The dead can vote. Why can't they be elected?

Hey, let's ask someone. "John McC . . . John? . . . John, you there, good buddy?"

 

[jomar]

Gore was never governor of Tennessee.

That said, he certainly fucked it up as a senator.

My bad, that's right! I remember the governor being a "Aww shucks" kind of guy who talked southern as he handed you your hat, but kept your wallet, on the way out the door.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Hey, let's ask someone. "John McC . . . John? . . . John, you there, good buddy?"

OMG I think I just had a heart attack! Don't DO that!

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I'm with you two in being unsure of whether to gasp or cackle at Roxy.

Even if the Dems really were still the Tax & Spend Party... how is that worse than being the Tax-Cut & Spend More Party?

Imagine sitting with your wife at the kitchen table...

Wife: Honey, these bills just keep piling up. What are we gonna do?

Husband: I know. I'll go to my boss and offer to take a pay cut while we max out the credit cards! That'll fix it!

*shakes head*

Oh, tax and spend are just the start, darling! Don't forget regulate, turn over to unions (to whom we'll give a free pass as far as any accountability), tariff, micro-manage, "plan" - the list goes on and on.

Do you know, some repubs (and maybe even a dem or two) have been trying for more than five years to rein-in Fannie and Freddie. What was the obstacle? Primarily the Dem caucuses in the House and Senate, led by world class crooks the like of Chalie Rangel and Barnie Frank.

Don't believe me? Read all about it from your own house organ: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

Here's one of my favorites:

''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

from Carpe Diem:

Kip’s Law: Every advocate of central planning always — always — envisions himself as the central planner.

Via Craig Newmark

Related quotes from Thomas Sowell's book "The Vision Of The Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy":

In their haste to be wiser and nobler than others, the anointed have misconceived two basic issues. They seem to assume: (1) that they have more knowledge than the average member of the benighted, and (2) that this is the relevant comparison. The real comparison, however, is not between the knowledge possessed by the average member of the educated elite versus the average member of the general public, but rather the total direct knowledge brought to bear though social processes (the competition of the marketplace, social sorting, etc.), involving millions of people, versus the secondhand knowledge of generalities possessed by a smaller elite group.

The presumed irrationality of the public is a pattern running through many, if not most or all, of the great crusades of the anointed in the twentieth century--regardless of the subject matter of the crusade or the field in which it arises. Whether the issue has been 'overpopulation,' Keynesian economics, criminal justice, or natural resource exhaustion, a key assumption has been that the public is so irrational that the superior wisdom of the anointed must be imposed, in order to avert disaster. The anointed do not simply happen to have a disdain for the public. Such disdain is an integral part of their vision, for the central feature of that vision is preemption of the decisions of others.

The vision of the anointed is one in which ills as poverty, irresponsible sex, and crime derive primarily from 'society,' rather than from individual choices and behavior. To believe in personal responsibility would be to destroy the whole special role of the anointed, whose vision casts them in the role of rescuers of people treated unfairly by 'society'.

The charge is often made against the intelligentsia and other members of the anointed that their theories and the policies based on them lack common sense. But the very commonness of common sense makes it unlikely to have any appeal to the anointed. How can they be wiser and nobler than everyone else while agreeing with everyone else?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Falwell never ran, that I know of. Pat Robertson has, and has been soundly rejected.

Shuffles back for any suggesting of a claim Falwell ran for office. Nope.

I don't think you ever mentioned Falwell running, but you did make a reference to the possibility, or lack of same:

Quote:
Originally Posted by sr71plt
Well, we do know that electing Jerry Fallwell would be a message to the nation (and maybe something we deserve). Considering he's dead.

 

[Pure]

rox,

has a general formula for every specific predicament; if you call her out on the facts of 'bridge to nowhere,' then she posts about those who hate western civilization.

the complaint above was made much more simply--just a couple days ago:

Lynn Forrester de Rothschild has decided Barack's an elitist.


Of all the weird convolutions of Randians--worshippers of the Extraordinary Individual--accusing the opponents of being elitist is the wackiest.

No doubt Rox will now tell how McCain represents "the common man" [married to the multimillionaire]. anyone listening to Fred Thompson at the Rep'n convention will not fail to note the portrayal of McCain as Jesus Christ, whipped and tortured for our sins.



Lynn Forrester de Rothschild: ...

Lynn Forrester de Rothschild, a major Hillary supporter who very publicly discussed her concerns about Obama,....

[said,]

“This is a hard decision for me personally because frankly I don't like him,” she said of Obama in an interview with CNN’s Joe Johns. “I feel like he is an elitist. I feel like he has not given me reason to trust him.”

 

[Boxlicker101]

The dead can vote. Why can't they be elected?

Actually, Missouri elected a dead man to the Senate a few years ago. The alternative was voting for some third party candidate or for the Republican, John Asswipe or whatever his name was. The voters preferred the dead man.

To be honest, the Dem. candidate died suddenly in late Oct. and the governor said he would appoint his widow, if he won, and that was what happened.

 

[colddiesel]

Oh, tax and spend are just the start, darling! Don't forget regulate, turn over to unions (to whom we'll give a free pass as far as any accountability), tariff, micro-manage, "plan" - the list goes on and on.

Do you know, some repubs (and maybe even a dem or two) have been trying for more than five years to rein-in Fannie and Freddie. What was the obstacle? Primarily the Dem caucuses in the House and Senate, led by world class crooks the like of Chalie Rangel and Barnie Frank.

Don't believe me? Read all about it from your own house organ: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

Here's one of my favorites:

''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Pretty good come back Rox from what looked like a (self) knockout but surely the political reality is:-

1 That the guy in the hot seat now always takes the blame. And that's GWB

2 If Bush had really wanted better regulation he's done stuff all since 2003 appoint unsuitable people to regulatory roles. His defence is that he can start a war but can't beat up on a couple of Democrat members of Congress? It won't wash rox.

3 A decent President would have called in the bosses of Freddie and Fanny screamed blue murder at them for half an hour and the greedy so in so's would have been so scared of losing their sinecures that they might have done their jobs half properly.

Having good regulations is only half the answer. You need a chief executive who will kick heads occasionally to keep his appointees in order. One point rarely made about GWB is not that he is incompetant but that he is incredibly weak