I say we need a Dictator!

[Magistermilitum]

Seriously, we need a Dictator. The world needs a Dictator. Then we could move toward a global aristocracy, the ideal world government to avoid silly things like socialism and war.

Proscribe lawyers, corporate welfare recipients (and other corrupt industrial barons who have a negative influence on the rest of the business climate; after that, the bulk of merchants will behave themselves), the leaders of certain unions (like those who strike against public safety or interest), lobbyists, and any other crazies who want to set up a Marxist utopia.

A global state should exist, but only under the leadership of a collection of great powers, like America and the UK. And Germany, of course.

 

[rgraham666]

And I say something rude about the physiologically impossible and quite painful place you can put that idea.

 

[Magistermilitum]

And I say something rude about the physiologically impossible and quite painful place you can put that idea.

Fair enough. In my dictatorship, there would still be free speech. I know that sounds strange, but it would be only a marginal police state.

I agree with B.F. Skinner that political freedom has outlived its usefulness.

 

[rgraham666]

And I think B.F. Skinner, like Nietzsche and a lot of other people, feared the idea of personal responsibility and came up with a system where he wouldn't have to have any.

And since when has any police state managed to 'limit' itself?

 

[Magistermilitum]

And I think B.F. Skinner, like Nietzsche and a lot of other people, feared the idea of personal responsibility and came up with a system where he wouldn't have to have any.

And since when has any police state managed to 'limit' itself?

Well, for instance, the Roman dictators Caesar and Sulla both put restraints on their most autocratic measures. For instance, when Chrysogonus and Crassus abused the proscription system, Sulla cracked down on them.

I understand your belief about that. But the truth is that most people aren't responsible. They don't want to be responsible. At least not lately. Landholding would be a step toward personal responsibility, since it would give them a chance to either sink or swim, and it would also give them a stake in the existence of the State.

I'm less a Fascist than an elitist, I freely admit. I favor an aristocracy or oligarchy as the long-term solution. The paupers aren't really fit to govern.

 

[starrkers]

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You are kidding, aren't you?

 

[rgraham666]

Here's my last say on the matter. A little bit from my favorite book.

IDEOLOGY Tendentious arguments which advance an world view as absolute truth in order to win and hold political power.

A god who intervenes in human affairs through spokesmen who generally call themselves priests; a king who implements instructions received from God; a predestined class war which requires representatives of a particular class to take power; a corporatist structure of experts who implement truth through fact-based conclusions; a racial unit which because of its blood-ties has a destiny as revealed by nationalist leaders; a world market which, whether anyone likes it or not, will determine the shape of every human life, as interpreted by corporate executives - all these and many more are ideologies.

Followers are caught up in the naive obsessions of these movements. This combination ensures failure and is prone to violence. That's why the decent intentions of The Communist Manifesto end up in gulags and murder. Or the market-place's promise of prosperity in the exploitation of cheap, often child, labour.

There are big ideologies and little ones. They come in international, national and local shapes. Some require skyscapers, others circumcision. Like fiction they are dependent on the willing suspension of disbelief, because God only appears in private and before his official spokespeople, class leaders themselves decide the content and pecking order of classes, experts choose their fact judiciously, blood-ties aren't pure and the passive acceptance of a deterministic market means denying 2,500 years of Western civilization from Athens and Rome through the Renaissance to the creation of middle class democracies.

Which is ideology? Which not? You shall know them by their assertion of truth, their contempt for considered reflection and their fear of debate.

 

[neonlyte]

As a species, we are quite good at electing democratic dictators. The supposed checks and balance of a parliamentary system rarely function as they ought when policy is decided by a President/Prime Minister and a Cabinet.

Citizen involvement in democracy is fortunately limited to every four or five years, at the national level, can you imagine the endless air time discussing 'policy' with 'citizens' in a referendum form of democracy?

On the up side... it might be one way of getting rid of those 'out of ass' speaking political pundits, but then Jon Stewart's show would lose some of its humour.

JS: 'Here's Madge from Little Bear, Wyoming.
Now some of you may remember Madge, she runs the 'Dress The Bride Emporium' and campaigned for a state law banning imported material covered buttons. Having lost out on that deal by only six votes out of the one hundred and seventeen...

*pause for laughter*

'Yes... count them people. One Hundred and Seventeen people thought this was an issue making a stand over.'

*pause for laughter*

'Madge now wants to ban THE ZIPPER!

'Can you imagine the queues outside Men's Restrooms?

*shocked expression - pause for laughter*

'It'll be like the queue outside the Ladies Restroom... all those twisted legs and pointed studying of the ceiling lights...

*pause for laughter*

'Ok... run the tape guy's.'

 

[impressive]

The world is a mess... and I just need to rule it.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Seriously, we need a Dictator. The world needs a Dictator. Then we could move toward a global aristocracy, the ideal world government to avoid silly things like socialism and war.

Proscribe lawyers, corporate welfare recipients (and other corrupt industrial barons who have a negative influence on the rest of the business climate; after that, the bulk of merchants will behave themselves), the leaders of certain unions (like those who strike against public safety or interest), lobbyists, and any other crazies who want to set up a Marxist utopia.

A global state should exist, but only under the leadership of a collection of great powers, like America and the UK. And Germany, of course.

[Do Not Try to Strangle Dumb-Ass, Even Though He Deserves It Mode]

Fuck! I'm a liberal lesbian and you've got me mentally reciting Charleton Heston's NRA quote! The "And Germany, of course" isn't overly telling is it?

[/ Do Not Try to Strangle Dumb-Ass, Even Though He Deserves It Mode]

 

[neonlyte]

[Do Not Try to Strangle Dumb-Ass, Even Though He Deserves It Mode]

Fuck! I'm a liberal lesbian and you've got me mentally reciting Charleton Heston's NRA quote! The "And Germany, of course" isn't overly telling is it?

[/ Do Not Try to Strangle Dumb-Ass, Even Though He Deserves It Mode]

Where do you find the 'Strangle Dumb-Ass' button?

 

[DesertPirate]

Some people are born stupid, others work at it!
Here we have an example of someone that accomplished both!

Hereby awarded "Dumbass of the week"

 

[Safe_Bet]

Some people are born stupid, others work at it!
Here we have an example of someone that accomplished both!

Hereby awarded "Dumbass of the week"

Got my vote for the "month" too!

 

[jomar]

He misspelled. He meant Dicktator. Every guy already has one though.

 

[rgraham666]

Hmm. It does sound a lot like a rape fantasy, doesn't it?

 

[glynndah]

So, who gets to pick who those "crazies" are?

 

[rgraham666]

So, who gets to pick who those "crazies" are?

Why, he does, of course.

As the wisest person on the planet who can gainsay him?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think this forum needs a moderator. It might as well be ME.

You all can call me "First among equals" from now on...

 

[glynndah]

Why, he does, of course.

As the wisest person on the planet who can gainsay him?

Of course. How silly of me.

 

[Safe_Bet]

I think this forum needs a moderator. It might as well be ME.

You all can call me "First among equals" from now on...

I think that would be Splenda...d!

 

[Stella_Omega]

These types always seem to assume they'd be in the ruling class.

It's like reincarnation-- everyone was King Arthur or Cleopatra in their past life.

I always envision a medieval world inhabited by a million King Arthurs. So sad and so funny!

 

[DesertPirate]

These types always seem to assume they'd be in the ruling class.

It's like reincarnation-- everyone was King Arthur or Cleopatra in their past life.

I always envision a medieval world inhabited by a million King Arthurs. So sad and so funny!

I think this one came from Napolean, Adolf, Stalin, or Mao.
He just isn't as good at persuading folks.

 

[neonlyte]

I think this one came from Napolean, Adolf, Stalin, or Mao.
He just isn't as good at persuading folks.

More like Neasdon, DP, which you probable won't get unless you're very, very old and have watched British TV

 

[DesertPirate]

More like Neasdon, DP, which you probable won't get unless you're very, very old and have watched British TV

I'm only 51 and spent my time in London in the museums in the 70's, not in front of a TV

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Generally speaking, a democracy is a slave to its passions and appetites. Democracies have no self-discipline.

Take it to the bank that a democracy will never fix a problem until the problem has created a crisis.