Sarah Palin

[Pure]

good points, stella.

abortion and objectivism are not the thread topics.

sarah's lack of experience, and her ignorant world view are.

her stands on all major issues are far right and fringe.

her ability to 'reform' anything is zero. rep'n talk of reforming the rep'n party is a joke--coming from powerful rep'ns of the last decades.

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stella said,

I cannot believe that you guys are letting Ami control this discussion. It's very probable that he doesn't believe a word of what he says, but takes delight in stirring the forum into frothing rage.

He's said that he retends to be a wild-eyed liberal on conservative forums. So, he must --presumably-- understand liberal arguments, the very same ones he effects to misinterpret and belittle here. And he may just as easily be pretending to be an ultra-con for our entertainment.

There are far better ways to be entertained, and far more productive modes of argument available, aren't there?

http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/ contains opinions from over one hundred thousand women. Please publicise the site, and add your voice.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/ contains opinions from over one hundred thousand women. Please publicise the site, and add your voice.

GREAT site, Stella! Awesome, thx!



p.s. This quote (from the blog) just slays me: "“Women voting for McCain is like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders."

 

[Selena_Kitt]

More on topic *ahem*

Apparently, she's against abortion - but she cut funding for housing to teen mothers in Alaska.

This is from a blog, but the original info is from the Washington Post:

The Washington Post has a photo of the budget with her handwriting on it. She's such a compassionate, right wing theocrat:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

 

[amicus]

Chuckles...so any opposition to the Palin bashing on this thread is considered a threadjack or, 'taking over the conversation?'

How pedestrian.

I understand your horror that the Palin selection has been front and center since the Convention. I understand your deep fear that the Republicans have pulled ahead in almost every poll and that women across the country are deserting the Democrats and flocking to the Republicans.

You are absolutely right, McCain and Palin will shake up Liberal Washington, D.C. and set the nation on a new course, away from the left wing progressive agenda of the Democrats.

Latest indications are that the Palin Phenomena may translate into a Republican Congress with a majority in both houses! Imagine that!

The first woman vice president ever and maybe the first woman President ever, geez, if only women were like blacks and would vote 90 percent just because she is a woman!

Heh, even that could happen as the bloom is off Obama and Biden offers nothing to the ticket.

So, go ahead, ladies, bash Palin all you want and from every direction your petty little minds can conceive, it just firms up and expands the support for her.

Amicus...

 

[Pure]

let's put it this way:

if you were an oil executive with a job to do in alaska, would you favor:

a) small weak state government or

b) large, powerful state government.


it IS possible that Palin is for reduced govt spending and role, in her state. that she differs with amicus, GWB, McCain and others who, while talking 'limited government' expand its role and spending, esp. in military areas.

as far as i can see Palin as governor has done a couple things: she put a tiny squeeze on oil companies' profit, for a couple billion, which she handed out-- robin hood style-- to the people, about a thousand each. in exchange, the companies get carte blanche, do what you please.

she's kept up the flow of earmarks of millions from the fed into Alaska. confronted over her 'bridge' fabrication, she now says she opposes the abuse of earmarks, not the good ones.


http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks13-2008sep13,0,4231195.story?track=rss
McCain wrong on Palin earmarks

The Republican presidential nominee said his running mate did not seek them as governor of Alaska. But in fact, she asked for $198 million in February; that was down millions from last year.

By Tom Hamburger and Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
September 13, 2008

NEW YORK -- John McCain got it wrong Friday when he asserted that his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, had not requested any earmarks, the spending directives lawmakers insert in spending bills that McCain has vowed to eliminate.

Palin, in fact, requested $198 million in federal earmarks in February, including such expenses as $487,000 to fight obesity in Alaska and $4 million to develop recreational trails.

By day's end, the McCain campaign backed down from the claim the GOP presidential candidate made on the ABC television show "The View."

"Sen. McCain was in the throes of a discussion about her record of reforming government, which includes drastic cuts in wasteful spending in the Alaska state budget," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. "If he gave viewers a mistaken impression, it certainly wasn't intentional or without some basis in fact."

Palin's approach to earmarks has been much closer to the views of Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, than of McCain, who wants to end the entire earmark system On Friday, in an interview with ABC News anchor Charles Gibson, Palin was asked whether she was in agreement with McCain that earmarks should be eliminated.

"I certainly am," she said.

But later in the same interview, she appeared to indicate she hoped to reform the process, not end it, saying she wanted it "to be in the light of day, not behind closed doors, with lobbyists making deals with Congress to stick things in there under the public radar."

"That's the abuse that we're going to stop," she said.

 

[DG Hear]

I posted this on the humor site but thought it would fit good here also.
DG


Who am I?

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I am under 45 years old,

I love the outdoors,

I hunt,

I am a Republican reformer,

I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,

I have many children,

I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two
years in the governor's office.



Did you guess?

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I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900

 

[Guest]

I posted this on the humor site but thought it would fit good here also.
DG


Who am I?

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I am under 45 years old,

I love the outdoors,

I hunt,

I am a Republican reformer,

I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,

I have many children,

I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two
years in the governor's office.



Did you guess?

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I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900

And I'll repost Bel's post on this from a different thread.

By 1900, Teddy Roosevelt had:

- traveled to Europe and the Middle East
- spoke French and German but was said to have done "poorly" in Latin and Greek
- graduated magna cum laude from Harvard (Harvard, eh?)
- was a respected naturalist and published ornithologist
- entered Columbia Law School (*gasp* a Lawyer!) but left to...
- ran for New York Assemblyman
- lost his first wife to Bright's Disease and his mother to Typhoid Fever on the same day
- moved to the Badlands and built two ranches, learning to rope and ride
- Began writing for Eastern magazines about frontier life
- Become a Deputy Sherrif who once captured three outlaws and, though it would have been legal, decided against hanging them, instead sending his foreman back for transportation and guarding the three men alone for forty hours without sleep, reading Tolstoy to keep himself awake.
- moved to London in 1886 and married his childhood sweetheart
- Climbed to the summit of Mont Blanc, earning an induction into the British Royal Society
- wrote The Naval War of 1812, which was a standard of history for two generations
- Wrote a four volume history entitled The Taming of the West which was later key in him being named President of the American Historical Association
- been appointed to the United States Civil Service Commission by President Harrison and then...
- was reappointed by President Cleveland, despite the fact that he had campaigned for Harrison's re-election over Grover Cleveland.
- become president of the board of New York City Police Commissioners
- was appointed by President McKinley as Assistant Secretary of the Navy (Because of the inactivity of Secretary of the Navy John D. Long at the time, this basically gave Roosevelt control over the department.)
- Served with great distinction in the Spanish-American War in Cuba, being nominated for the Medal of Honor. He was rumored to have been bypassed for the medal due to his outspoken opinions on the handling of the war. In 2001, he was awarded it posthumously. He is the only President ever to be awarded the nation's highest honor. He was also later in his life awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and is the only man to have ever received his nation's highest honor for bravery in battle and the Peace Prize.
- and, as you say, was elected Governor of New York in 1898.

I mean, it's a fun little thing... but there really is very little else in common between Gov. Palin and Colonel Roosevelt.

I mean, it's not even close.

 

[Belegon]

By the way, Teddy Roosevelt was also the first presidential candidate ever to suggest Universal Health Care in the United States.

And I think if someone suggested that shooting wolves from a helicopter was sporting, Teddy would have given them a hefty whack with his famous big stick.

 

[DG Hear]

Geez!

You take a little riddle and try to turn it into trash. What's the matter with some of you people? No one but your own minds was saying there was anything similar.

On this Sarah Palin post alone you have spent weeks telling us what trash this woman is. Damn, to bad she didn't belong to another party. Then she might be thought of as a God.

I went back and checked the posts on this one thread to see how much four people can hate one woman so much, mostly for being a republican. I stopped yesterday.

Stella Omega 30 posts
SubSarahh 70 posts
Pure 35 posts and she didn't get on till page 5
Belegon 38 posts also started on page 5

That's not counting all the negative remarks about her on all the other political threads.

You four have so much hatred for one woman? I honestly feel sorry for you. I don't want Obama as my president. He's all talk and no record. Can't you see that? You honestly want to trust your future and your kids future to a virtual unknown? Mainly because he is a Democrate. Appearantly the answer is yes, and I'll get all the "why the other party shouldn't be in office.

Just say to yourself that if Obama was a republican and Palin was a Democrat, I would actually feel the same. I can honestly say that when I step into the booth. I vote for the person, never the party.

I know I don't belong on the A/H political threads because I'm not part of the clan. Sometimes I have to breakaway and say my piece.

Now you can go back and tell me how wrong I am and what a bitch Palin is and explain all the God like characters of Obama and Biden.

Hopefully, someone will read this and it will make them think.
Thanks for your time. Back to the regular insults.
DG

 

[Guest]

You are entitled to your opinion, DG. No one is arguing that.

Of course we'll debate the facts. I refuse to allow misinformation and slander to be promoted as fact.

I have no dislike for Palin. I don't wish her to be my president because she isn't qualified. Period.

I didn't have dislike for McCain. I do now, of course, because of what he has been saying and doing the past few years.

But why is it okay for you to rant or joke about the candidates and not anyone else? I mean, if we do, according to you, that makes us haters or mean people but if you do, it's just a joke.

I am amused at how you keep popping back onto this thread and others, telling us all off, and then declaring you'll leave to go back to your humor thread to stay. But soon enough you're back again to lecture us about our behavior one more time.

Why?

 

[rgraham666]

Ah, you're just pissed that we didn't draw the obvious conclusion, DG.

"My God! Sarah Palin is really Teddy Roosevelt! I have to vote for her!"

 

[Belegon]

You take a little riddle and try to turn it into trash. What's the matter with some of you people? No one but your own minds was saying there was anything similar.

On this Sarah Palin post alone you have spent weeks telling us what trash this woman is. Damn, to bad she didn't belong to another party. Then she might be thought of as a God.

I went back and checked the posts on this one thread to see how much four people can hate one woman so much, mostly for being a republican. I stopped yesterday.

Stella Omega 30 posts
SubSarahh 70 posts
Pure 35 posts and she didn't get on till page 5
Belegon 38 posts also started on page 5

That's not counting all the negative remarks about her on all the other political threads.

You four have so much hatred for one woman? I honestly feel sorry for you. I don't want Obama as my president. He's all talk and no record. Can't you see that? You honestly want to trust your future and your kids future to a virtual unknown? Mainly because he is a Democrate. Appearantly the answer is yes, and I'll get all the "why the other party shouldn't be in office.

Just say to yourself that if Obama was a republican and Palin was a Democrat, I would actually feel the same. I can honestly say that when I step into the booth. I vote for the person, never the party.

I know I don't belong on the A/H political threads because I'm not part of the clan. Sometimes I have to breakaway and say my piece.

Now you can go back and tell me how wrong I am and what a bitch Palin is and explain all the God like characters of Obama and Biden.

Hopefully, someone will read this and it will make them think.
Thanks for your time. Back to the regular insults.
DG

No. The reason I disapprove of Sarah Palin is because of who she is and what she stands for. I don't hate her. But I don't want her running the country.

Here's an example of what I mean. Unless you don't consider the New York Times credible.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/u...?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin.&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

But an examination of her swift rise and record as mayor of Wasilla and then governor finds that her visceral style and penchant for attacking critics — she sometimes calls local opponents “haters” — contrasts with her carefully crafted public image.

Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials.

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In Wasilla, a builder said he complained to Mayor Palin when the city attorney put a stop-work order on his housing project. She responded, he said, by engineering the attorney’s firing.

Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.

Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska professor, sought the e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) An administration official told Mr. Steiner that it would cost $468,784 to process his request.

When Mr. Steiner finally obtained the e-mail messages — through a federal records request — he discovered that state scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger, records show.

“Their secrecy is off the charts,” Mr. Steiner said.

 

[Guest]

Bel, I honestly don't think DG will even read it.

Why is information so frightening to some?

 

[shereads]

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Hopefully, someone will read this and it will make them think.

Golly. It does give one pause.

 

[Guest]

Golly. It does give one pause.

Kissing Daisy's pointy little head.

 

[Belegon]

Bel, I honestly don't think DG will even read it.

Why is information so frightening to some?

I'd make a general comment here, and started to, but I am afraid someone will talk about it as me being personally insulting.

The times when I have been truly angry with someone here on the AH can be counted on far less than ten fingers. And I have been here long enough that I can legitimately call myself one of the "old-timers."

I've seen people come and leave. True, some I wasn't so sorry to see the last post from. But I would almost never say so.

Hating is not my style. But I WILL NOT sit here and have someone post lies and misinformation about something as important as the US Presidency and the candidates and not call them on it.

If you ignore lies, people assume they are true. Ask John Kerry.

 

[Guest]

Palin never in Iraq, campaign now says

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/13/palin.iraq/?iref=hpmostpop

She fabricated her experience in other countries.

She talked about visiting the troops in Iraq - talked about visiting the troops from Alaska.

She lied.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics...ays_she_is_ready_to_assume_presidency/?page=2

In a second interview aired on "Nightline," Palin softened her stance on the environment. In the past, she has expressed doubt that global warming is caused by people, but last night said that "man's activities certainly can be contributing."

Palin said she had traveled little to other countries. Aside from visiting Canada and Mexico, she said she took the "trip of a lifetime" last year when she visited troops in Kuwait, Iraq, and Germany.



And she never even crossed the border.

 

[rgraham666]

I just got a good one in my e-mail. From a writer I know.

Apparently Obama is friends with Khadaffi.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I just got a good one in my e-mail. From a writer I know.

Apparently Obama is friends with Khadaffi.

There is some truth behind that. Let's see if I can find a reference.

Okay, here's one. I can probably find others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZiqexz7aqQ

Perhaps the misconcepttion came from here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/49200-wright-obama-libyan-trip-farrakhan.html

Whether the two men can be called friends or not, Khadaffi, or however you spell his name, refers to him as "Brother".

 

[cloudy]

There is some truth behind that. Let's see if I can find a reference.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

You still believe in Santa Claus too, don't you?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Oh, for fuck's sake.

You still believe in Santa Claus too, don't you?

No, but I believe I can find some reliable sources where at least one of the two men expresses friendship, maybe even brotherhood.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Damn, to bad she didn't belong to another party. Then she might be thought of as a God.

If Sarah Palin belonged to another party, and still had the same views on abortion, birth control, sex education, international policy, distribution of health care and education, gun control, global warming, alternative energy development, separation of church/state and freedom of speech - I would still NOT vote for her. Period.

This is nothing to say of the outright lies she's being caught in: Troopergate, earmarks, book banning, the bridge to nowhere... the list goes on.

This is NOT someone I want one heartbeat away from the presidency, thankyouverymuch.

Pure 35 posts and she didn't get on till page 5

Pure's a HE.

I don't want Obama as my president. He's all talk and no record. Can't you see that? You honestly want to trust your future and your kids future to a virtual unknown?

I can see he has just about as much experience as Sarah Palin - but his views align with my own much more than McCain or Palin on all of the above issues. As far as I can tell, Obama has been much more honest and forthright than any other politician I've ever known in my lifetime.

Do I like that he's lacking in experience? No. Am I willing to take a chance on him? Yep.

He's much lesser of the evils.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There is some truth behind that. Let's see if I can find a reference.

Okay, here's one. I can probably find others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZiqexz7aqQ

Perhaps the misconcepttion came from here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/49200-wright-obama-libyan-trip-farrakhan.html

Whether the two men can be called friends or not, Khadaffi, or however you spell his name, refers to him as "Brother

 

[amicus]

Ah, DG, I see you have run afoul of a nest of the usual suspects, pay no never mind...they are shills for the left, like telemarketers, they are paid to attack all things honorable and never defend their own slime...it ain't no big thing.

They have been here since before my time and it seems I have been cleaning my shoes from this sewer for years now.

But...a walk on the wild side, now and then, does a body good, reminds me of what I never want to become, even in the slightest way.

Obama wants a draft of young people, as young as high school kids, mandatory national service, even in the military if 'he' decides that is where the need lies.

Ask them to defend the draft, conscripton, see how many jump up and volunteer. Oh, they will volunteer you and your kids; them, they and theirs? Not in a million years.

And when the election draws near and Obama goes down to defeat, as he will, watch the number that swear they will move to sweden or canada, or someother quasi-socialist paradise, as if they think more parasite on already over taxed systems would ever want them...

chuckles...

(I did good!)

Amicus...

 

[cloudy]

No, but I believe I can find some reliable sources where at least one of the two men expresses friendship, maybe even brotherhood.

Find it. I'll wait.

I swear, you are either the densest person I've ever run across, or you deserve an Oscar.

Perhaps the misconcepttion came from here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/electi...farrakhan.html

Whether the two men can be called friends or not, Khadaffi, or however you spell his name, refers to him as "Brother

That's a god-damned political forum. Hardly what I'd call a reference.

I have some ocean front property in Arizona I need to sell you.