Justice miss served?

[SeaCat]

Read this in the paper and am shaking my head.

Sep 12, 5:36 PM EDT

Dad chases nude boy from daughter's room with pipe


DELTONA, Fla. (AP) -- An angry Deltona father whacked his teenage daughter's boyfriend with a metal pipe after finding the boy naked in his daughter's room. Authorities say the father, 45, didn't even know his daughter had a boyfriend or that the youngster had been sneaking into the home for more than a year.

When he heard noises coming from his daughter's bedroom Thursday morning and saw a stranger standing naked on the girl's bed, he swung a metal pipe. He then chased the teen out the front door and called police.

The boy was taken to the hospital where doctors closed a head wound with staples.

The father was charged with aggravated battery on a child and bonded out on $10,000.


Cat

 

[Safe_Bet]

Read this in the paper and am shaking my head.

Sep 12, 5:36 PM EDT

Dad chases nude boy from daughter's room with pipe


DELTONA, Fla. (AP) -- An angry Deltona father whacked his teenage daughter's boyfriend with a metal pipe after finding the boy naked in his daughter's room. Authorities say the father, 45, didn't even know his daughter had a boyfriend or that the youngster had been sneaking into the home for more than a year.

When he heard noises coming from his daughter's bedroom Thursday morning and saw a stranger standing naked on the girl's bed, he swung a metal pipe. He then chased the teen out the front door and called police.

The boy was taken to the hospital where doctors closed a head wound with staples.

The father was charged with aggravated battery on a child and bonded out on $10,000.
Cat

That kid should be grateful for not being born in Texas.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

That kid should be grateful for not being born in Texas.

Betcha the jury finds him 'not guilty' and then the kid's parents sue for millions. They, too, should be grateful they don't life in Texas . . . or several other places I could think of.

 

[Liar]

Read this in the paper and am shaking my head.

Duly noted. But you didn't actually say why.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Duly noted. But you didn't actually say why.

Yes he did: "An angry Deltona father whacked his teenage daughter's boyfriend with a metal pipe." His head still hurts!

 

[SeaCat]

Yes he did: "An angry Deltona father whacked his teenage daughter's boyfriend with a metal pipe." His head still hurts!

You owe me a new Keyboard. I just spit beer over this one.

I wasn't anywhere near Deltona and I can prove it.

Besides I wouldn't be touching a youngster, (Anyone under 30) with a ten foot pole.

Cat

 

[SeaCat]

Duly noted. But you didn't actually say why.

There is just so much that is wrong in the report.

She is all of how old? (In another report I read about this she was 14.)

She had been sneaking her boyfriend into the house for a year?

Daddy didn't know she had a Boyfriend?

Daddy gets arrested for hitting the kid and chasing him out of the house?

Cat

 

[TE999]

.snip> Authorities say the father, 45, didn't even know his daughter had a boyfriend or that the youngster had been sneaking into the home for more than a year.<snip Cat

Dad's not the sharpest knife in the drawer or he's deaf as a post.

Was this the first time he heard 'sounds' from his daughters room?

Where's Mom while all this is going on?

Personally, I think this is hilarious.

 

[Liar]

Yes he did: "An angry Deltona father whacked his teenage daughter's boyfriend with a metal pipe." His head still hurts!

*snerk*

 

[Liar]

There is just so much that is wrong in the report.

She is all of how old? (In another report I read about this she was 14.)

She had been sneaking her boyfriend into the house for a year?

Daddy didn't know she had a Boyfriend?

Ok, so far I'm with you.

Daddy gets arrested for hitting the kid and chasing him out of the house?

Of bloody course he gets arrested. People who hit other people in the head with a pipe deserve to be arrested. You can't go around battering people just because you're upset. Then you need to be locked up.

If it turns out that he believed his daughter was being assaulted (but the article indicates no such thing, and I make no assumptions) then of course that puts things in a different light.

Until then I must therefore assume that you are in favor of people hitting people in the head with pipes if they are angry at them.

 

[SeaCat]

Ok, so far I'm with you.

Of bloody course he gets arrested. People who hit other people in the head with a pipe deserve to be arrested. You can't go around battering people just because you're upset. Then you need to be locked up.

If it turns out that he believed his daughter was being assaulted (but the article indicates no such thing, and I make no assumptions) then of course that puts things in a different light.

Until then I must therefore assume that you are in favor of people hitting people in the head with pipes if they are angry at them.

Please re-read the article Liar.

It states that he heard noises from his daughters bedroom and finds the boy standing on her bed naked.

In other words he didn't know the young gentleman was there.

Now granted I wouldn't have hit him with a pipe. (Where did the pipe come from?)

Rather the young gentleman would have found himself answering some rather pointed questions at gunpoint.

You have to remember that here in Florida we now have a thing called the Castle Doctrine. If you feel that you or a family member is being threatened in your house you are allowed to use dealdy force to defend yourself or your family member.

I'm not sure what you would think but the first thing I would think seeing some youngster standing over my daughter or my wife naked would be rape.

Cat

 

[Liar]

Please re-read the article Liar.

It states that he heard noises from his daughters bedroom and finds the boy standing on her bed naked.

In other words he didn't know the young gentleman was there.

Please re-read the article Cat.

It says the father was angry. It says nothing about him feeling there was an immediate threat towards him or his daughter.

That's your assumptions.

But like I said, if it turns out to be like you assume, then I guess he's legally in the clear.

Then we can discuss if swinging a metal pipe at the cranium is maybe a tad bit excessive force to deal with a naked teenager.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I believe that the rule in California is that if a strange person is found in your house after dark, the law presumes that you are in fear of your (or your loved one's) life. Now I don't know that the twerp was in the girlfriend's room after dark but if the same rule applies in Florida, and I bet it does, the the kid should consider himself lucky that all he got was bashed. He could have been traded in for nitrogenous fertilizer.

 

[SeaCat]

Please re-read the article Cat.

It says the father was angry. It says nothing about him feeling there was an immediate threat towards him or his daughter.

That's your assumptions.

But like I said, if it turns out to be like you assume, then I guess he's legally in the clear.

Then we can discuss if swinging a metal pipe at the cranium is maybe a tad bit excessive force to deal with a naked teenager.

Liar,

I'm not going to argue with you on this. There is a lot that isn't said in this article. A lot that isn't said. (Like the girls age of 14.) The article leaves a lot to the imagination.

Who says the father was angry? Why was he angry?

If, when I was raising my nieces, I heard noises from their room, opened their door and found a young gentleman standing in the room butt ass naked I too might be a bit angry. The same as if I came home and found a young gentleman standing over my wife naked.

Then again, finding a naked man in the house at 0400 many people would have just opened fire.

Now if daughter had mentioned to her father earlier in the evening that she would be having a gentleman caller in her room then there would be a different set of questions raised, but Daddy's charges would be justified.

Honestly, if you found some guy standing in your daughters room naked, hell anywhere in your house naked would you ask him to sit down for a cup of coffee?

Again, as I have said there are some questions raised by the article, and yet why was he charged?

Cat

 

[DesertPirate]

Cat you are correct all the way.
As a Dad of 3 daughters I would react the same.

 

[3113]

Again, as I have said there are some questions raised by the article, and yet why was he charged?

*sigh* because, Cat, he was naked and the girl probably wasn't screaming "Daddy! Daddy! Save me!" She was probably screaming, "Daddy! Don't hurt him, Daddy!"

In which case, you have a man *battering* a naked teenaged boy who *was* invited into the house by his daughter.

Now as you point out, the article leaves out a lot of stuff. So you really can't sit there shaking your head about the fact that the father was charged as you don't know shit about the circumstances. You only know that dad chased out this kid and knocked him on the head with a pipe.

You don't know if the daughter said a word when daddy found the kid naked in his daughter's room. If she did, and if daddy heard it all, like "I invited him," and "he's my boyfriend," and "please don't hurt him," then that kinda changes the scenario, doesn't it? It means Dad *can* be charged with battery as he *could* have just asked the kid to leave or called the police and charged the kid with home invasion rather than beating him over the head with a pipe.

Battery, by the way, is a very easy charge to prove. It's any kind of violence done to another person that does not involve any kind of self defense--or defense of others. I know, I was just on a jury that tried a man on a battery charge.

It does NOT however mean he's guilty. That's for a trial. And if he is found guilty, and if you're right in all your assumptions (none of which you have evidence for assuming--that he just found the kid in there and thought the kid was raping his daughter), THEN you can bitch and moan and shake your head about how awful the justice system is.

I hope with all my heart that you're on the jury and get to hear all the details so you can fully and rightfully judge if poor old dad was done a terrible injustice.

 

[SweetWitch]

Yes he did: "An angry Deltona father whacked his teenage daughter's boyfriend with a metal pipe." His head still hurts!

You're wicked!

 

[kromen]

Another WTF moment

I have trouble figuring out whos the victim here. I think the lil bastard got off easy with a whack to the head. Time served.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I have trouble figuring out whos the victim here. I think the lil bastard got off easy with a whack to the head. Time served.

Especially if he wasn't wearing a condom while standing over the daughter's bed. Now if he was, that again changes the equation.

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

I think the big thing is her age, and the boyfriend's age counts too. If she was 13 and he was 19, the father is justfied. If they were both 19, that's different, and the father has to be dumb as a sack of rocks.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

The father was justified no matter the age of the young man or his daughter. The boy didn't not have any right to be there. He knew that when the entered the house.

If I found a naked guy standing anywhere in my house a whack to the head would be the least of his worries.

The kid got off light. The father should sue the police for arresting him.

 

[Lisa Denton]

Maybe Cat was reading the story wrong, and they arrested the father for only hitting the guy in the head with a pipe.

In texas you can shoot any naked peoples you see in your house at 4 am, unless you are having an orgy or something.

Cat, don't shake your head too much, you might loosen up those staples.

 

[Guest]

Sorry,naked man, in my child's room, 0400 am?

It is just not a bright thing to do.

Maharat

 

[only_more_so]

The only part of the article that tells me that justice might have been mis-served was the amount of the bond. I would think if the father's story was at all convincing, i.e. that he didn't know the boyfriend and didn't expect to find him in the home, he would have been released on his own recogniscence. Being charged is fully appropriate. A grand jury/judge will determine later determine if there is evidence to support the charge enough for it to go to trial, and a jury would then decide if he acted legally.

So innocent until proven guilty also applies to the legal system.

The sad thing is that this case will most likely never make another appearance in the press if the legal system finds the man not guilty. At least until he gets sued. On the other hand if he's found guilty, it might just make headlines again.

 

[Liar]

Sorry,naked man, in my child's room, 0400 am?

It is just not a bright thing to do.

Maharat

That, I think we can all agree with.