Women's votes - a brief glimpse in history

matriarch

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It seems rather pertinent at this time, to read this article. The wife sent it to me.

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I found this essay on Snopes and, according to them, the facts contained therein are true. ( http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/womenvote.asp )

Well said and I couldn't agree more.

~ M ~


WHY WOMEN SHOULD VOTE

This is the story of our Grandmothers and Great-grandmothers; they lived only 90 years ago.

Remember, it was not until 1920 that women were granted the right to go to the polls and vote.

The women were innocent and defenseless, but they were jailed nonetheless for picketing the White House, carrying signs asking for the vote.

And by the end of the night, they were barely alive. Forty prison guards wielding clubs and their warden's blessing went on a rampage against the 33 women wrongly convicted of 'obstructing sidewalk traffic.'

They beat Lucy Burns, chained her hands to the cell bars above her head and left her hanging for the night, bleeding and gasping for air.

They hurled Dora Lewis into a dark cell, smashed her head against an iron bed and knocked her out cold. Her cellmate,
Alice Cosu, thought Lewis was dead and suffered a heart attack. Additional affidavits describe the guards grabbing, dragging, beating, choking, slamming, pinching, twisting and kicking the women.

Thus unfolded the 'Night of Terror' on Nov. 15, 1917, when the warden at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia ordered his guards to teach a lesson to the suffragists imprisoned there because they dared to picket Woodrow Wilson's White House for the right to vote.

For weeks, the women's only water came from an open pail. Their food — all of it colorless slop — was infested with worms.

When one of the leaders, Alice Paul, embarked on a hunger strike, they tied her to a chair, forced a tube down her throat and poured liquid into her until she vomited. She was tortured like this for weeks until word was smuggled out to the press.

So, refresh my memory. Some women won't vote this year because — why, exactly? We have carpool duties? We have to get to work? Our vote doesn't matter? It's raining?

Last week, I went to a sparsely attended screening of HBO's new movie 'Iron Jawed Angels.' It is a graphic depiction of the battle these women waged so that I could pull the curtain at the polling booth and have my say. I am ashamed to say I needed the reminder.

All these years later, voter registration is still my passion. But the actual act of voting had become less personal for me, more rote. Frankly, voting often felt more like an obligation than a privilege. Sometimes it was inconvenient.

My friend Wendy, who is my age and studied women's history, saw the HBO movie, too. When she stopped by my desk to talk about it, she looked angry. She was **** with herself. 'One thought kept coming back to me as I watched that movie,' she said. 'What would those women think of the way I use, or don't use, my right to vote? All of us take it for granted now, not just younger women, but those of us who did seek to learn.' The right to vote, she said, had become valuable to her 'all over again.'

HBO released the movie on video and DVD . I wish all history, social studies and government teachers would include the movie in their curriculum I want it shown on Bunco night, too, and anywhere else women gather. I realize this isn't our usual idea of socializing, but we are not voting in the numbers that we should be, and I think a little shock therapy is in order.

It is jarring to watch Woodrow Wilson and his cronies try to persuade a psychiatrist to declare Alice Paul insane so that she could be permanently institutionalized. And it is inspiring to watch the doctor refuse. Alice Paul was strong, he said, and brave. That didn't make her crazy.

The doctor admonished the men: 'Courage in women is often mistaken for insanity.'

Please, if you are so inclined, pass this on to all the women you know.

We need to get out and vote and use this right that was fought so hard for by these very courageous women. Whether you vote democratic, republican or independent party - remember to vote.

History is being made.


My comment to her:

Indeed.
It was the same here, with the Suffragettes, Emmeline Pankhurst. The beatings, the forced feeding, all the same. Why did men fear us so much? Why did they fear what we could do with the same rights and privileges as them? If they know we are that much to be feared, why is it so hard for women themselves to realise the potential they hold?

And to take this to its natural extension, every single person who has the right to vote should do so. Man or woman. It is the one right that is our's irrespective of gender, age, nationality or social status.
 
Last time there was an election here, I woke up at 2 in the afternoon, hung over as nodody's business, and spent the day watching reruns naked and eating cornflakes from the box.

But at six-ish, an hour before the voting closed, I slipped on a somewhat clean t-shirt, a pair of jeans and my ugliest slippers, and sauntered down to the library, where my voting facilities were. Because it wasn't even a question if to vote or not, or if I felt engaged in politics or not that day. It was just one of those things you do. Period.

Going into the room with the booths, I ran into my neighbors, a nice old couple who came to Sweden from Syria in the mid 80's.

There I was, hair all over the place, wrinkled clothes that smelled faintly of old pizza, a three day beard and bloodshot eyes.

And there were they, Aziz just handing in his envelope, in full designer suit, and Jannah next in line at a booth, in a beautiful evening gown.

"Hi Aziz," I said. "So you''ve been voting?"

"Yes, we became Swedish citizens last year, remember?"

"Yeah, right. It was a good party. So... what's with the suit? Never seen you in anything as posh as this before."

"It's new. Bought it yesterday. We both did," he said, beaming with pride.

"Oh. What's the occasion? Going to the opera or something?"

"No, we've voted now, so we're going home to watch the result on tv."

"Uh...ok, then I have to ask again. Why are you dressed up like that?"

"Because I'm 67 years old. And this is the first time I've had the privilige to do my democratic duty. It's one of the most important days of my life. If that doesn't call for a suit, I don't know what does."

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I'll remember to shower and shave the next time.
 
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That's what's wrong with society today, we've all forgotten what a privilege it is to actually be able to vote, to be a part of forming your country's governing body.

Look at countries like Zimbabwe, where the people wanted to vote, but had to cope with a corrupt system......at least here in the West we know we can vote without any interference. It should be a special occasion, something to be proud of.

I well remember the first time Mat Jr. voted after his 18th birthday. He was so excited, and then sat up all night with the ex and I to watch the results come in, rejoicing with the rest of us when Tony Blair and New Labour finally ousted the Tories. When does it stop being that special? Why does it stop being exciting and something to be proud of?
 
That's what's wrong with society today, we've all forgotten what a privilege it is to actually be able to vote, to be a part of forming your country's governing body.

Look at countries like Zimbabwe, where the people wanted to vote, but had to cope with a corrupt system......at least here in the West we know we can vote without any interference. It should be a special occasion, something to be proud of.

I well remember the first time Mat Jr. voted after his 18th birthday. He was so excited, and then sat up all night with the ex and I to watch the results come in, rejoicing with the rest of us when Tony Blair and New Labour finally ousted the Tories. When does it stop being that special? Why does it stop being exciting and something to be proud of?
I believe many feel their vote makes no difference. There is little to choose between political parties and personalities. Politics has ceased to be charismatic and inspiring, it is projected (by media) as self serving and indulgent through the various exposes of expense account fiddling, cronyism, and business interests. The young can be persuaded - first time voters, etc., but the older one gets the less inclined one grows by thinking a vote can result in a change of direction. I always vote, I have a postal vote for when I'm not in UK. I vote also in Portugal for local and EU elections, but not government elections. I generally vote for the losers :rolleyes:
 
That's what's wrong with society today, we've all forgotten what a privilege it is to actually be able to vote, to be a part of forming your country's governing body.

Look at countries like Zimbabwe, where the people wanted to vote, but had to cope with a corrupt system......at least here in the West we know we can vote without any interference. It should be a special occasion, something to be proud of.

I well remember the first time Mat Jr. voted after his 18th birthday. He was so excited, and then sat up all night with the ex and I to watch the results come in, rejoicing with the rest of us when Tony Blair and New Labour finally ousted the Tories. When does it stop being that special? Why does it stop being exciting and something to be proud of?

Amen. I could never understand why in The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave -- the country that calls itself the greatest democracy on earth -- why voter turnout is so abysmal. It's then that despots and dictators take over and seize power. People... please, vote!
 
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One of my friends has recently become a British Citizen. I was one of his sponsors.

He is looking forward to voting as a British Citizen at a City Hall by-election in a couple of months time.

I have suggested that he doesn't have to wear a Union Jack tie...

Og
 
Amen. I could never understand why in The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave -- the country that calls itself the greatest democracy on earth -- why voter turnout is so abysmal.
If we're talking the presidential election, I think one answer is: The electoral college.

If you're the minority in a non-battleground state, you vote is not worth the cost of the ballot. That ought to discourage a fair number of voters.
 
My understanding is the electoral college is also weighted somewhat towards the more rural states with smaller populations. Not as badly as the Senate, where half of it is elected by 16% of the population, but somewhat.

That can't help but take the wind out of some people's sails.
 
The electoral college stays because if it were merely a matter of popular vote, big city states would just roll their agenda over the rest of the country. Living in a big city state, I can tell you that the "self serving and indulgent through the various exposes of expense account fiddling, cronyism, and business interests" isn't just a projection of the media. It's real. Does Wyoming deserve to be managed for the benefit of Los Angeles? If it weren't for the electoral college, candidates would only campaign in about ten states, effectively disenfranchising the rest of the country. Before you start saying things about our weird system, please do a little quiet contemplation of what it would be like otherwise.

BTW, we consider parliamentary systems nothing more than elected dictatorships. We had one of those once and got rid of it.
 
The electoral college stays because if it were merely a matter of popular vote, big city states would just roll their agenda over the rest of the country. Living in a big city state, I can tell you that the "self serving and indulgent through the various exposes of expense account fiddling, cronyism, and business interests" isn't just a projection of the media. It's real. Does Wyoming deserve to be managed for the benefit of Los Angeles? If it weren't for the electoral college, candidates would only campaign in about ten states, effectively disenfranchising the rest of the country. Before you start saying things about our weird system, please do a little quiet contemplation of what it would be like otherwise.

BTW, we consider parliamentary systems nothing more than elected dictatorships. We had one of those once and got rid of it.
From what I've seen, most of the campaigning is aimed a a limited amount of swing-states already.

Every system has it's pros and cons. You mentioned a pro, I mentioned a con.

Or do you deny that that is the case? If I'm a democrat in Texas, does my vote count?
 
From what I've seen, most of the campaigning is aimed a a limited amount of swing-states already.

Every system has it's pros and cons. You mentioned a pro, I mentioned a con.

Or do you deny that that is the case? If I'm a democrat in Texas, does my vote count?

Yup. Exactly as much as a Vermont Republicans. :D
 
It's worth noting that in the 1996 election when Blair took power in the UK his party actually got 1.9% less of the popular vote than the Tories. In 2011 the Tories will need a 6% lead in the popular vote to obtain the same number of seats.

Today in NSW Australia we had local government elections where voting is compulsory. The Labor(roughly Democratic) Party is so on the nose because of corruption that they have been hammered. Problem is the conservates(called Liberals !!) are just as bad. The minor parties and independants are having a field day. Even compulsory voting doesn't give the major parties what they want, the voters know how to shaft them.
 
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