Should Sarah Palin stay home with her kids?

[Recidiva]

Well, my personal experience is that it isn't natural for me. Perhaps it isn't natural for anybody.

I'm a homemaker. I have two kids and a job.

I love my kids and my home.

Couldn't give a damn less about my job except I need money for kids and home.

Given a choice, being a mom, with all the tend and defend of a family - best thing I've ever done, the most ME.

So it is natural for me and it gives me all the "YAY!" brain chemistry cookies I could want.

I am married to and gave birth to two people who couldn't care less much except that they'd rather not make me cry if at all possible.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well, my personal experience is that it isn't natural for me. Perhaps it isn't natural for anybody.

I've seen some people for whom it seems natural. Though that could be an illusion. My mother, for instance, was never happy as a career woman. She did it purely from financial necessity. One could always tell that it made her a bit frustrated.

It's rather like that film "The Family Man". I didn't like it, because they were trying to impose a certain set of values that wasn't necessarily right for him. Now, they made it work out, because it's Hollywood, but in reality, he would probably chosen his previous path again.

I dislike trying to change people against their will.

Not saying that you or any woman like you should be homemakers. Having been one, I can see why you don't care for it and I'm glad not to be one anymore. I have met quite a few women who didn't care for it. I've just never met any men who did. Hence my suspicion that men are particularly ill-suited to such a craft. Though there are exceptions to that rule of thumb, as there are to all rules, I suspect.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Anecdotal evidence really doesn't get us anywhere. *shrug* I can tell you that it's much more natural for me than for my husband - I'm a wonderful multitasker, and I can have five or six things going at once without a problem - load of laundry in, doing the dishes, talking on the phone, helping with homework, cooking dinner, and letting the dog in or out... My husband is much more linear. ONE. THING. AT. A. TIME. Drives me crazy.

But that doesn't really tell us anything. It just tells me how our relationship runs best. It doesn't tell me about yours. We'd have to look to archetypes for a clearer idea of something like this, split along gender lines... and Sev, you have to admit, for as many Aphrodite or Hestia types, there's plenty of Dianas to make a counterbalance...

That's the best analogy I've seen. One might even call some Athena types. I've met a few women like that. Some are more likeable than others. Individuality is irrepressible, no matter what society and sometimes Nature dictates. Consequent of being sentient, I suppose. Though I still think that Nature trumps society. That's the Stoic in me.

 

[Recidiva]

That's the best analogy I've seen. One might even call some Athena types. I've met a few women like that. Some are more likeable than others. Individuality is irrepressible, no matter what society and sometimes Nature dictates. Consequent of being sentient, I suppose. Though I still think that Nature trumps society. That's the Stoic in me.

I was raised in the 70s by a rather unhappy mother.

Which gave me the youthful feminist idealism to deeply believe that mothering was nowheresville and a dead end suppressive...whatever.

However, MAN was I pissed when I found out (by sheer accident) that it was the COOLEST THING EVER.

So my nature asserted herself. And I cross stitch and cook for fun.

Of course I have no problem telling someone unappreciative to cook their own damned dinner. Fortunately I have the assertiveness and the talent to...garner compliments.

I also have my own job, so I can (and have) raised my kids alone if there's nobody complimentary available.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Oh, what bullshit.

I'm usually Ms. Politeness, but this is one of the silliest things I've ever heard.

"Designed" with a "love" for domestic things? I guess the Great Designer didn't design me, then, or any of my women friends, because none of us have any love for domestic things. You think there's a gene for, say, doing laundry? Then how come humans in some cultures don't do any?

Now now, Ms. Politeness.

You may want to check out this thread: What are men good for? The "love of domestic things" seems pretty silly to me too, but the article in the OP there sheds some interesting light on it.

 

[Corylea]

Anecdotal evidence really doesn't get us anywhere.

I know. Sev was using his personal experience to generalize about ALL men, so I thought I'd show what it looked like if a woman used her personal experience to generalize about all women. I guess I was too subtle, though, something I'm not usually known for.

 

[DeeZire]

When people piss & bitch about equality, the first thing I want to know is: Who gets to be the standard for equality? The Asian coolie who wades thru shit all day, with his nose up a water buffalo's ass?

This is why I don't put people on ignore. JBJ's prose can be quite vivid, and entertaining, even if it has no relevance to the topic at hand.

Thank you. Now, back to the discussion.

 

[DesertPirate]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13129.html

Even Clintons aids think the treatment of Palin is sexist

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/9-3-08scarlet%20letter.jpg

 

[DesertPirate]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/9-3-08scarlet%20letter.jpg

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Here are some pics of Palin "wearing" her baby in a sling... she's also very pro-breastfeeding. I just wish most of the rest of her beliefs weren't so anathema to me...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022579.html

 

[Belegon]

http://www.cagle.com/working/080901/breen.jpg

 

[DeeZire]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13129.html

Even Clintons aids think the treatment of Palin is sexist

DP - did you actually read the article?

Quote from Palin - talking about H Clinton's candidacy: "When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism, or maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, 'Man, that doesn't do us any good, women in politics, or women in general, trying to progress this country,' ” Palin said.

Now, McCain’s team is urgently recruiting female surrogates and loudly crying sexism to deflect legitimate inquiries into Palin’s experience, her record, and the last-minute, improvisational process by which McCain chose a small-state governor who was elected in 2006 after serving of mayor of small-town Wasilla, a far suburb of Anchorage.

For those posting the cartoon, they need to watch the two clips of Bill O'Rielly, one condemning the parents of the 16 year-old Spears celebrity girl who got pregnant, the other of O'Rielly saying, solemnly, that the issue of Palin's pregnant daughter has nothing whatsoever to do with her mom's parenting skills.

Flip flop flip flop

 

[Belegon]

I still think that the issue of her daughter's pregnancy is not one for the public. I do feel it may be relevant to specific discussions. I certainly don't think ANY mom has complete control over her teenage daughter.

However,there is so much else to talk about with this woman... for example, from the Anchorage Daily News via The Boston Herald:

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/n...=&page=1&listingType=2008campnews#articleFull

Palin Asked Wasilla Librarian About Censoring Books
By Rindi White / Anchorage Daily News
Thursday, September 4, 2008 - Updated 4h ago


WASILLA -- Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn’t fully support her and had to go.

(article continues at the link above)

 

[DesertPirate]

DP - did you actually read the article?



For those posting the cartoon, they need to watch the two clips of Bill O'Rielly, one condemning the parents of the 16 year-old Spears celebrity girl who got pregnant, the other of O'Rielly saying, solemnly, that the issue of Palin's pregnant daughter has nothing whatsoever to do with her mom's parenting skills.

Flip flop flip flop

I'll be the first to admit that O'Reilly is over the top. I disagree with more of what he says than I agree. Then again that holds true with about 90% of the so called TV journalists out there. They could produce almost as much electricity as the Congresscritters if we could harness that waste of hot air.

 

[Belegon]

I'll be the first to admit that O'Reilly is over the top. I disagree with more of what he says than I agree. Then again that holds true with about 90% of the so called TV journalists out there. They could produce almost as much electricity as the Congresscritters if we could harness that waste of hot air.

True enough.

I swear that I get more true political commentary out of the comedians these days than I do the so-called analysts.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I just watched the first part of an o'reilly interview with obama. They both looked good. Oreilly didn't pander and was tough without being obnoxious, and Obama didn't stutter and did as well as anyone could without admitting things like, "Hey - if I knew then what I knew now I would have voted for the surge." (Actually, pols would serve themselves a lot better if they did say things like that.)

PS. Plus the guts to enter that cockpit.

 

[Belegon]

(Actually, pols would serve themselves a lot better if they did say things like that.)

Damn... did you put something in my drink?

I've been agreeing with you all damn day....

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Damn... did you put something in my drink?

I've been agreeing with you all damn day....

Go lie down on the couch for a bit - it'll pass.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DEEZIRE

To some it seems that my comments are irrelevant, but I generally respond to the remote analogies, NOT to the superficial nonsense most here find appealing. The real message is in the remote analogy.

 

[Guest]

I don't believe you even know what that means, JBJ.

And that would be why you make racist and sexist comments? Remote analogies?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SARAH

I make ethnocentric remarks about blacks, their skin color has nuthin to do with their sheepish nature. As a tribe theyre an embarrassment. I certainly dont believe the docile nature extends to all blacks, everywhere. Just American blacks.

Women? Women chase rainbows, and men placate them to shut them up. Sexist? I dont give a fuck.

 

[Guest]

Yep.

You don't understand what it means.

Thank you for being consistent.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SARAH

I dont understand remote analogies? Of course I do. I've studied them for 20 years.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I don't believe you even know what that means, JBJ.

And that would be why you make racist and sexist comments? Remote analogies?

Those aren't comments, they're racist and sexist turds.