How about that Fred?
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We need a president ..who will take federal bureaucracy by the scruff of the neck
and give it a good shakin'.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-thompsontranscript3-2008sep03,0,2929863.story
[start]
FRED THOMPSON: Thank you. Thank you. (Cheers, applause.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. (Cheers, applause continue.) Thank you. Thank you. (Cheers.)
Well, my friends, as has -- thank you very much. As has been mentioned, our thoughts are still with our friends and fellow citizens in the Gulf Coast and our special thanks go to those who have worked so hard to keep them safe. There can be no more important work than that. (Applause.)
But what we're doing at this convention is also important to our country, because we're going to nominate the next president and vice president of the United States of America. (Cheers, applause.)
We do so while taking a different view of our country than that of the other party. Listening to them, you'd think that we were in the middle of a Great Depression -- (laughter) -- that we're down, disrespected, incapable of prevailing against challenges that face us. Now, we know that we have challenges. Always have, always will. But we also know that we live in the freest, strongest, most generous and prosperous nation in the history of the world and we're thankful for that. (Cheers, applause.)
[talk about Palin]
...give me a tough Alaskan governor who has taken on the political establishment in the largest state of the union and won, over the Beltway business-as-usual crowd any day of the week.
[...]When she and John McCain get to Washington, they're not going to care how much the alligators get irritated -- they're going to drain that swamp.
But tonight, my friends, I'd like to talk to you about the remarkable story of John McCain. It's a story about character.
John McCain's character has been tested like no other presidential candidate in the history of this nation. He comes from a military family whose service goes -- to our country goes back to the time of the Revolutionary War. The tradition continues. As I speak, John and Cindy McCain have one son who's just finished his first tour in Iraq and another son -- (cheers, applause) -- going back for his second one on Christmas Day, I understand. (Applause.) And another -- and another son who's putting his country first and attending the Naval Academy. (Cheers, applause.)
[...]
Now, John's father was a bit of a rebel, too. In his first two semesters at the Naval Academy, he managed to earn 333 demerits. (Laughter.) Unfortunately, John later saw that as a record to be beaten. (Laughter.) A rebellious mother and a rebellious father. I guess you can see where this is going. (Laughter.)
In high school and the Naval Academy, John earned a reputation as a troublemaker. But as John points out, he wasn't just a troublemaker; he was the leader of the troublemakers. (Cheers, applause.)
Although -- although loaded with demerits, like his father, John was principled even in rebellion. He never violated the honor code.
[...]
For propaganda purposes, his captors offered to let him go home. John McCain refused. He refused to leave ahead of men who had been there longer. He refused to abandon his conscience and his honor, even for his freedom. He refused, even though his captors warned him, "It will be very bad for you."
They were right; it was. The guards cracked ribs, broke teeth off at their gums. They cinched a rope around his arms and painfully drew back his shoulders. Over four days, every two to three hours, the beatings resumed. During one especially fierce beating, he fell, again breaking his arm.
John was beaten for communicating with other prisoners. He was beating -- beaten for NOT communicating with so-called peace delegations. He was beaten for not giving information during interrogation.
When his captors wanted the names of other pilots in the squadron, John gave them the name of the offensive line of the Green Bay Packers. (Laughter, applause.)
Whenever John was returned to his cell -- walking if he could, dragged if he couldn't -- as he passed his other fellow POWs, he would often call out to them.
He'd smile and give 'em a thumbs-up.
For five-and-a-half years this went on. John McCain's bones may have been broken, but his spirit never was. (Cheers, applause.)
[...]
Now the United States Senate has always had more than its share of smooth talkers and big talkers. And obviously it still has. (Laughter, applause.) But while others were talking reform, John McCain led efforts to make reform happen, always pressing, always working for what he believed was right and necessary to restore the people's faith in their government. Confronting when necessary, reaching across the aisle when possible, John personified why we all came to Washington in the first place.
Didn't always set too well with some of his colleagues. Some of those fights were losing efforts. Some were not.
But a man who never quits is never defeated. [...]
There has been a time in our nation's history, since we first pledged allegiance to the American flag, when the character, judgment and leadership of our president was more important. (Cheers, applause.) Terrorists, rogue nations developing nuclear weapons, an increasingly belligerent Russia, intensifying competition from China, spending at home that threatens to bankrupt future generations, for decades an expanding government, increasingly wasteful and too often incompetent.
To deal with these challenges, the Democrats present a history- making nominee for president -- history-making in that he's the most liberal, most inexperienced nominee to ever run for president. (Cheers, applause.) Apparently -- apparently they believe that he would match up well with the history-making, Democrat-controlled Congress -- history-making because it's the least accomplished and most unpopular Congress in our nation's history. (Cheers, applause.)
[...]
Now, our opponents tell us not to worry about their tax increases. They tell you they're not going to tax your family. (Laughter.) No, they're just going to tax "businesses." So, unless you buy something from a business, like groceries or clothes or gasoline -- (laughter) -- or unless you get a paycheck from a business, a big business or a small business, don't worry, it's not going to affect you! (Laughter, cheers, applause.) They say they're not going to take any water out of your side of the bucket, just the other side of the bucket! (Laughter.) That's their idea of tax reform.
My friends, we need a leader who stands on principle. We need a -- a president and vice president who will take the federal bureaucracy by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shakin'. (Cheers, applause.) And my friends, we need a president who doesn't think that the protection of the unborn or a newly born baby is above his pay grade. (Extended cheers and applause.) Thank you. (Cheers, applause.) The man who will be that president is John McCain. (Cheers, applause.)
[...]
Our country is calling. Our country is calling.
Now, John McCain can't raise his arms above his shoulders. He can't salute the flag of the country for which he sacrificed so much. Tonight, as we begin this convention, we stand with him, and we salute him. We salute his character and his courage, his spirit of independence and his drive for reform, his vision to bring security and peace in our time, and continued prosperity for America and all her citizens.
For our own good, our children's, let us celebrate that vision, celebrate that belief, that faith, so we can keep America the greatest country that the world has ever seen.
God bless John McCain and God bless America. (Cheers, applause, chants of "U-S-A! U-S-A!".) [end]
and give it a good shakin'.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-thompsontranscript3-2008sep03,0,2929863.story
[start]
FRED THOMPSON: Thank you. Thank you. (Cheers, applause.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. (Cheers, applause continue.) Thank you. Thank you. (Cheers.)
Well, my friends, as has -- thank you very much. As has been mentioned, our thoughts are still with our friends and fellow citizens in the Gulf Coast and our special thanks go to those who have worked so hard to keep them safe. There can be no more important work than that. (Applause.)
But what we're doing at this convention is also important to our country, because we're going to nominate the next president and vice president of the United States of America. (Cheers, applause.)
We do so while taking a different view of our country than that of the other party. Listening to them, you'd think that we were in the middle of a Great Depression -- (laughter) -- that we're down, disrespected, incapable of prevailing against challenges that face us. Now, we know that we have challenges. Always have, always will. But we also know that we live in the freest, strongest, most generous and prosperous nation in the history of the world and we're thankful for that. (Cheers, applause.)
[talk about Palin]
...give me a tough Alaskan governor who has taken on the political establishment in the largest state of the union and won, over the Beltway business-as-usual crowd any day of the week.
[...]When she and John McCain get to Washington, they're not going to care how much the alligators get irritated -- they're going to drain that swamp.
But tonight, my friends, I'd like to talk to you about the remarkable story of John McCain. It's a story about character.
John McCain's character has been tested like no other presidential candidate in the history of this nation. He comes from a military family whose service goes -- to our country goes back to the time of the Revolutionary War. The tradition continues. As I speak, John and Cindy McCain have one son who's just finished his first tour in Iraq and another son -- (cheers, applause) -- going back for his second one on Christmas Day, I understand. (Applause.) And another -- and another son who's putting his country first and attending the Naval Academy. (Cheers, applause.)
[...]
Now, John's father was a bit of a rebel, too. In his first two semesters at the Naval Academy, he managed to earn 333 demerits. (Laughter.) Unfortunately, John later saw that as a record to be beaten. (Laughter.) A rebellious mother and a rebellious father. I guess you can see where this is going. (Laughter.)
In high school and the Naval Academy, John earned a reputation as a troublemaker. But as John points out, he wasn't just a troublemaker; he was the leader of the troublemakers. (Cheers, applause.)
Although -- although loaded with demerits, like his father, John was principled even in rebellion. He never violated the honor code.
[...]
For propaganda purposes, his captors offered to let him go home. John McCain refused. He refused to leave ahead of men who had been there longer. He refused to abandon his conscience and his honor, even for his freedom. He refused, even though his captors warned him, "It will be very bad for you."
They were right; it was. The guards cracked ribs, broke teeth off at their gums. They cinched a rope around his arms and painfully drew back his shoulders. Over four days, every two to three hours, the beatings resumed. During one especially fierce beating, he fell, again breaking his arm.
John was beaten for communicating with other prisoners. He was beating -- beaten for NOT communicating with so-called peace delegations. He was beaten for not giving information during interrogation.
When his captors wanted the names of other pilots in the squadron, John gave them the name of the offensive line of the Green Bay Packers. (Laughter, applause.)
Whenever John was returned to his cell -- walking if he could, dragged if he couldn't -- as he passed his other fellow POWs, he would often call out to them.
He'd smile and give 'em a thumbs-up.
For five-and-a-half years this went on. John McCain's bones may have been broken, but his spirit never was. (Cheers, applause.)
[...]
Now the United States Senate has always had more than its share of smooth talkers and big talkers. And obviously it still has. (Laughter, applause.) But while others were talking reform, John McCain led efforts to make reform happen, always pressing, always working for what he believed was right and necessary to restore the people's faith in their government. Confronting when necessary, reaching across the aisle when possible, John personified why we all came to Washington in the first place.
Didn't always set too well with some of his colleagues. Some of those fights were losing efforts. Some were not.
But a man who never quits is never defeated. [...]
There has been a time in our nation's history, since we first pledged allegiance to the American flag, when the character, judgment and leadership of our president was more important. (Cheers, applause.) Terrorists, rogue nations developing nuclear weapons, an increasingly belligerent Russia, intensifying competition from China, spending at home that threatens to bankrupt future generations, for decades an expanding government, increasingly wasteful and too often incompetent.
To deal with these challenges, the Democrats present a history- making nominee for president -- history-making in that he's the most liberal, most inexperienced nominee to ever run for president. (Cheers, applause.) Apparently -- apparently they believe that he would match up well with the history-making, Democrat-controlled Congress -- history-making because it's the least accomplished and most unpopular Congress in our nation's history. (Cheers, applause.)
[...]
Now, our opponents tell us not to worry about their tax increases. They tell you they're not going to tax your family. (Laughter.) No, they're just going to tax "businesses." So, unless you buy something from a business, like groceries or clothes or gasoline -- (laughter) -- or unless you get a paycheck from a business, a big business or a small business, don't worry, it's not going to affect you! (Laughter, cheers, applause.) They say they're not going to take any water out of your side of the bucket, just the other side of the bucket! (Laughter.) That's their idea of tax reform.
My friends, we need a leader who stands on principle. We need a -- a president and vice president who will take the federal bureaucracy by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shakin'. (Cheers, applause.) And my friends, we need a president who doesn't think that the protection of the unborn or a newly born baby is above his pay grade. (Extended cheers and applause.) Thank you. (Cheers, applause.) The man who will be that president is John McCain. (Cheers, applause.)
[...]
Our country is calling. Our country is calling.
Now, John McCain can't raise his arms above his shoulders. He can't salute the flag of the country for which he sacrificed so much. Tonight, as we begin this convention, we stand with him, and we salute him. We salute his character and his courage, his spirit of independence and his drive for reform, his vision to bring security and peace in our time, and continued prosperity for America and all her citizens.
For our own good, our children's, let us celebrate that vision, celebrate that belief, that faith, so we can keep America the greatest country that the world has ever seen.
God bless John McCain and God bless America. (Cheers, applause, chants of "U-S-A! U-S-A!".) [end]
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I know it's terrible of me, but I have never been able to get past Fred Thompson as actor playing that white supremacist anti-semitic evangelist of the "Pilgrim's of Promise" on Wiseguy when he had Vinny's brother Father Frank killed.
I'm impressionable.
I was very young.
I'm impressionable.
I was very young.
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Adolf Hitler knew how to give a speech!
rgraham666
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Gag. Same old, same old.
"Those who have differing opinions aren't really Americans."
"The world's getting more chaotic and nasty but we had nothing to do with it."
"We're going to lower taxes, spend more and still balance the budget."
"Those who have differing opinions aren't really Americans."
"The world's getting more chaotic and nasty but we had nothing to do with it."
"We're going to lower taxes, spend more and still balance the budget."
R. Richard
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I read of an experiment done just after WW II. A college professor had people, who didn't speak German watch films of Hitler's speeches [in German language of course.] The liberal arts students were impressed with Hitler's dynamic presentation and the power that he seemed to project. The engineering students saw only a funny little man with a bad mustache jumping around on a stage.
Apparently, if you want children to blindly follow an insane leader, you have to first train them.
Pure
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i love the pure corn-pone, the touting of country-boy virtues.
thompson, despite the battered pickup truck he used to use, is a wealthy corporate lawyer and associate of some high powered lobbyists.
sarah and hubby, though, are real country youngsters. "real americans".
thompson, despite the battered pickup truck he used to use, is a wealthy corporate lawyer and associate of some high powered lobbyists.
sarah and hubby, though, are real country youngsters. "real americans".
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That's a very cool study -- thanks for sharing that with us!
I'm not sure that your conclusion follows, though; it's possible that the people who end up as liberal arts students and the people who end up as engineering students come into the world already different* from one another, and it's also possible that something in the training of the engineers teaches them NOT to follow an insane leader (e.g., training to evaluate facts and evidence, rather than presentation).
*This leads to something I've been wondering for awhile. Most of my male friends are serious computer geeks (my husband is a Computer Science professor), and they have a number of personality traits, interests, and activities in common. Most of them are the only person in their family to have that particular cluster of traits and interests, so most of them didn't learn to like, say, science fiction, from their parents. Which leads me to wonder -- is there a geek gene (recessive, of course)? So many geeks seem to pop up out of nowhere in families that never had one before.
R. Richard
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I can't say if liberal arts types and engineering types are born different or not. However, you might consider that a person who deals with the world by evaluating facts and evidence, rather than presentation is at a horrible disadvantage when forced to take classes that are based upon presentation.
I was a computer programmer and, if I may say, quite good at it. However, I was never able to pass an English class in either high school or college, because I could see only facts and evidence, not presentation. I never saw the point of evaluating something based upon presentation. Those who followed Hitler obviously did.
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All he needs is a faux ranch with some hay bales to hide the media cables.
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I could never forgive Thompson for appearing on Law & Order, the entertainment equivalent of George W. Bush. (Simplistic; loyal fans who would swear that it's brilliant.)
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I always see him as "Big John", the head of NASCAR in "Days of Thunder".
Good speech... but the message doesn't appeal to me. Just like Bill gave a good speech, but the message didn't appeal in the other direction.
The fight is for the undecideds... I'm not one. I watch because I wonder, I watch in case I see something I admire or despise, so that I have an idea of who is who and what they have to say.
But like most who have already made a decision based of analysis instead of rhetoric, it would take something far more dramatic than any speech to make me abandon all that preparation.
Good speech... but the message doesn't appeal to me. Just like Bill gave a good speech, but the message didn't appeal in the other direction.
The fight is for the undecideds... I'm not one. I watch because I wonder, I watch in case I see something I admire or despise, so that I have an idea of who is who and what they have to say.
But like most who have already made a decision based of analysis instead of rhetoric, it would take something far more dramatic than any speech to make me abandon all that preparation.
