PM from Laurel in regard to PrincessGoddess

[catalina_francisco]

Posted with Laurel's permission:

"Hi C_F!

Thanks for the PM, and I hope your weekend was good otherwise!

As a Moderator, your job is to remove posts that go against our forum guidelines, which are linked at the bottom of every page on the site. And, to quote the guidelines:

Quote:
Anything else goes. You may post whatever you like. Consequently, so can everyone else. The administrators here don't believe they are anyone's parents nor are they anyone's Jiminy Cricket. It's not their responsibility to make sure that everyone on the site uses free speech responsibly. It's up to individual users to be responsible for themselves. For those who are not, the programmers at Jelsoft have added an ignore function for your convenience. Just go here and add the user you don't want to deal with anymore.
In short, it is not your responsibility, legal or otherwise, to make sure people get along. If two people are not getting along, they have the ability to put each other on Ignore. Once they do that, the Ignored person's posts will disappear, and they will be unable to PM each other.

If two users do not put each other on ignore and insist on fighting, then they are making a conscious decision to interact. As adults, that is then THEIR responsibility - not yours, not mine. This is an Adult site.

Our site rules are posted clearly on every page. We do not get involved in personal conflicts other than as stated in the Rules.

If you need anything else, let me know!

Laurel


Catalina

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Yay for Laurel, and yay for you, Cat!

And in "the land of the free" (well, me at least ), YAY for freedom of speech!

 

[catalina_francisco]

Oh, in the interests of full disclosure, here is my initial PM:

" Sorry to bother you...
...but the BDSM forum has been under a constant barrage of abuse and threats of physical violence against various posters, myself included, from PrincessGoddess. I have been patient, lol apparently beyond belief according to some posters, but continue to get PM after PM and she keeps posting threads and posts on the forum to hurl further abuse and threats at everyone, and all because we did not agree with a thread she started or many of her ideas. We also dared to ask about a few things she had said which contradicted other things she said..and of course which she doesn't answer or mention as is her right.

Posters did not abuse her, at least not to start with, but she abused from the second post, not to mention she has also insisted subs/slaves are not worthy of posting in her threads...I explained a threadstarter did not own a thread, nor could a poster tell others where and how to post...didn't work. Actually given some of the past events such as this, the forum as a whole have remained fairly nice and not broken out into all out nasty attack..most have just had fun and thought it all a bit of a joke. She on the other hand has threatened physical violence including saying she mentions things like this to her friends who then take care of those who upset her without her needing to be implicated if it becomes legal, and threatened legal action as well, oh and to rally up some people to come in and wreck Lit by making it so unpleasant we will all leave and they can take over....in other words a bully.

Up to now I have only replied to her various threats with a request to read the rules and honour free speech, but I won't be around today and on waking I see she has been busy again with pages of abuse on the forum and yet another PM, this time telling me as a moderator I had legal responsibilities. Of course, it reminded me I did have responsibility, to notify of the threats and protect the beauty of Lit as a free speech and safe site, not as she felt, to make people stop standing up to her bullying and tell her she is wonderful. Of course she also said she had notified the site on me, and another poster ...possibly more, I haven't had time to read it all...and she told me there would be repercussions so I thought it was time to let you know and leave it in your capable hands if you decide it is worth your time...personally I think you have more important things to bother with, but just covering the forum's interests.

Here are links to her various threads..I did merge 2 which were the same...second one was to give us an opportunity to change our previous posts and tell her she was wonderful and right and the greatest Domme...strange as she identifies as a submissive since 1974 (13 yo at the time?):

Take My Challenge, NOW!

Lit is not a place for courtesy, respect, or nice people

This is why I left last time

No-one Has The Right To Stalk or Harrass Me On This Site

Sorry to bring this to you but figured it was best to let you know so you can or cannot get involved as you see fit. I will be around for a couple of hours I think, then I am off to Amsterdam to meet another Litster who is in the country just for today..should be fun to meet yet another poster.

Catalina"

Catalina

 

[PrincessGoddess]

The server operators on this site have been informed that Ms. Francisco allowed 27 users in the same forum to participate in harassing me, sexually and otherwise, together, as a mob, in a manner not consistent with the United States Constitution and the first amendment. It became necessary to ask my father to come onto this site to obtain copies of posts that Ms. Francisco made herself as a part of this mob, and the fact is that the actions that took place are NOT defendable under the 1st amendment protections. Therefore, I guess that we will find out whether or not Ms. Francisco's actions on one part, and lack thereof on another part, will be defended by the server operators. I fully expect that an apology will be extended to me in the near term by the server operators, and if that were to occur, then I am certain that there might be a reason to have a CONVERSATION with the server operators concerning the willingness on my part to perhaps let the matter go. However, if in the course of further investigation it is determined that there is a reasonable suspicion that violations of federal obscenity and child pornography laws have occured, any information related to those matters will be turned over to federal investigative bodies for their determination, and further disposition.

 

[foxinsox]

Bonkers ^^^^

PG: You should consider moving your act to the GeeBee, where your brand of lunacy would go down magnificently (a bit like yourself, I should think).

 

[VelvetDarkness]

The server operators on this site have been informed that Ms. Francisco allowed 27 users in the same forum to participate in harassing me, sexually and otherwise, together, as a mob, in a manner not consistent with the United States Constitution and the first amendment. It became necessary to ask my father to come onto this site to obtain copies of posts that Ms. Francisco made herself as a part of this mob, and the fact is that the actions that took place are NOT defendable under the 1st amendment protections. Therefore, I guess that we will find out whether or not Ms. Francisco's actions on one part, and lack thereof on another part, will be defended by the server operators. I fully expect that an apology will be extended to me in the near term by the server operators, and if that were to occur, then I am certain that there might be a reason to have a CONVERSATION with the server operators concerning the willingness on my part to perhaps let the matter go. However, if in the course of further investigation it is determined that there is a reasonable suspicion that violations of federal obscenity and child pornography laws have been violated, any information related to those matters will be turned over to federal investigative bodies for their determination, and further disposition.

Nobody who regularly posts on this site (with the possible exception of your good self, God knows you've annexed every other conceivable gender and sexuality these past few days) condones anything that violates any law regarding child pornography or abuse.

Other than that... you went to your daddy? Good grief. I truly cannot believe that you have nothing better to worry about. Go spend a week in Zimbabwe or Darfur and get some perspective, at the very least it'll give us all a break.

ETA: I also find it interesting that since you called 'daddy', you have deleted the majority of your posts. Truly spineless.

 

[Betticus]

The server operators on this site have been informed that Ms. Francisco allowed 27 users in the same forum to participate in harassing me, sexually and otherwise, together, as a mob, in a manner not consistent with the United States Constitution and the first amendment. It became necessary to ask my father to come onto this site to obtain copies of posts that Ms. Francisco made herself as a part of this mob, and the fact is that the actions that took place are NOT defendable under the 1st amendment protections. Therefore, I guess that we will find out whether or not Ms. Francisco's actions on one part, and lack thereof on another part, will be defended by the server operators. I fully expect that an apology will be extended to me in the near term by the server operators, and if that were to occur, then I am certain that there might be a reason to have a CONVERSATION with the server operators concerning the willingness on my part to perhaps let the matter go. However, if in the course of further investigation it is determined that there is a reasonable suspicion that violations of federal obscenity and child pornography laws have occured, any information related to those matters will be turned over to federal investigative bodies for their determination, and further disposition.

First amendment freedom of speech protections do not extend to privately owned messaging forums. Your freedom of speech only guarantees your right to utter noise from your own throat, not to grant you access to any type of dissemination media such as the internet, radio, television, etc..

Now, get on your dirty cunt knees and suck my cock you filthy whore.

 

[Sharon_]

The server operators on this site have been informed that Ms. Francisco allowed 27 users in the same forum to participate in harassing me, sexually and otherwise, together, as a mob, in a manner not consistent with the United States Constitution and the first amendment.

Um. First Amendment refers only to government, not private property owners.

Yer lookin' in the wrong place to base your case, not that you'll find what yer lookin' for in the right place, either. HTH.

Also, it's impossible for one to be sexually harassed (or any kind of harassed) in this or similar mediums where one has complete control over what one chooses to view - in essence, you are "harassing" yourself - if you allow words on a screen to upset you, then I suggest you have a wetware malfunction.

If your wetware is insufficient to prevent you from harassing yourself, there is available software provided in the form of something called an "ignore button". Never found reason to use it myself, my wetware being more than adequate, but presumably there is a help file somewhere to walk you thru it.


That said, cartooney threats always make me smile

 

[Betticus]

I think she should just open up a dos command prompt and type in format c:/

 

[gingermango]

The server operators on this site have been informed that Ms. Francisco allowed 27 users in the same forum to participate in harassing me, sexually and otherwise, together, as a mob, in a manner not consistent with the United States Constitution and the first amendment. It became necessary to ask my father to come onto this site to obtain copies of posts that Ms. Francisco made herself as a part of this mob, and the fact is that the actions that took place are NOT defendable under the 1st amendment protections. Therefore, I guess that we will find out whether or not Ms. Francisco's actions on one part, and lack thereof on another part, will be defended by the server operators. I fully expect that an apology will be extended to me in the near term by the server operators, and if that were to occur, then I am certain that there might be a reason to have a CONVERSATION with the server operators concerning the willingness on my part to perhaps let the matter go. However, if in the course of further investigation it is determined that there is a reasonable suspicion that violations of federal obscenity and child pornography laws have occured, any information related to those matters will be turned over to federal investigative bodies for their determination, and further disposition.

You clearly have never taken and passed a bar examination. I, on the other hand, have. You are quite wrong on nearly every "point."

So do us all a favor and grow the fuck up.

 

[Sharon_]

I think she should just open up a dos command prompt and type in format c:/

GUFFAW

THAT always makes me laugh out loud.

I've seen that done a few times and man, oh man, do they come back madder'n a wet hornet.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

Now, get on your dirty cunt knees and suck my cock you filthy whore.

*swoons*

 

[Netzach]

Blackmail is illegal. Just sayin'.

 

[Betticus]

Blackmail is illegal. Just sayin'.

But you do it so well.

 

[gingermango]

Blackmail is illegal. Just sayin'.

Too bad first-degree pseudononymous internet asshattery isn't as well.

 

[Netzach]

Too bad first-degree pseudononymous internet asshattery isn't as well.

So true. But the jails are so crowded as it is, it would never ever work.

 

[Fuckette]

I missed out!

 

[pink]

I missed out!

This one was a hoot.


and ya'll can sexually harass me anytime. Just sayin.

 

[gingermango]

This one was a hoot.

I almost posted a link to it on the "What Made You Laugh Today" thread, but then remembered that some people took it seriously and have been hurt by the exchange.

As for me, I remember too many Usenet flame wars to ever take very much seriously in an internet discussion that involves insults and threats.

 

[catalina_francisco]

The server operators on this site have been informed that Ms. Francisco allowed 27 users in the same forum to participate in harassing me, sexually and otherwise, together, as a mob, in a manner not consistent with the United States Constitution and the first amendment. It became necessary to ask my father to come onto this site to obtain copies of posts that Ms. Francisco made herself as a part of this mob, and the fact is that the actions that took place are NOT defendable under the 1st amendment protections. Therefore, I guess that we will find out whether or not Ms. Francisco's actions on one part, and lack thereof on another part, will be defended by the server operators. I fully expect that an apology will be extended to me in the near term by the server operators, and if that were to occur, then I am certain that there might be a reason to have a CONVERSATION with the server operators concerning the willingness on my part to perhaps let the matter go. However, if in the course of further investigation it is determined that there is a reasonable suspicion that violations of federal obscenity and child pornography laws have occured, any information related to those matters will be turned over to federal investigative bodies for their determination, and further disposition.

Yanno princess, it is not good to continue to try to intimidate people with threats, especially me, when you already know you are in the wrong by the posters, the forum, the law (threatening people with violence), the site owners, and the laws of human nature. Of course if you have the guts to carry through on your threats, good luck, but it seems you are just dumb...and yes, dumb you are when you claim to be good friends with the site owners and that you have informed them on me and other posters and have them on side, and then see within 15 minutes or so of my contacting them (and my posting what I told them), their response, which I also posted.

You see, where as you like to threaten people to try and get what you want through intimidation but never actually intend doing anything because you know you can't, I tend to be a different animal and I don't threaten idly, I promise and I keep promises well. I told you I would contact the site owners, and instead of telling you over and over and following your lead of doing nothing and lying through my teeth (not my style), I actually did inform them immediately as you saw and shock horror, your good friends backed the posters, the forum and myself, not you. Since then, and before I left for the day, I also had further PM's from them, and believe me they were not to tell me I am a bad moderator and you are an angel, so if I were you I would think before making any further threats, especially against the site as they might just take that more seriously than prima dona tantrums... do some research as to what you could have already legally implicated yourself in...I am sure the evidence has been checked and recorded incase it is needed, and yes, they will be able to tell your IP and who and where you are if they haven't already, so no problem even if you do delete what you said to people. Choice is yours. Oh also BTW, I am not Ms Francisco...you might have trouble if you try finding anyone under that name and title. I am being kind in not telling Francisco of course that you called him Ms., or me Francisco...he actually has a short wick with such people, and interestingly has some really interesting contacts in terms of security which extend internationally and legally. OTOH, you might need to also ask daddy how much money he has to spend if you figure any legal action against me...we aren't even on the same continent...oh I'm sorry, you keep missing that, don't you?

And child porn?...oh honey, please, we don't want to see your baby photos. On a serious note though, as I saw in a discussion last week about people who see child porn where it doesn't exist, it really makes you wonder just where they get those notions when they come solely from their own brain...sort of makes you think, doesn't it, who actually has the pedophile tendencies?

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Oh I forgot how to behave!! Get outta my thread, you can't post on my thread, you are not welcome as you have nothing worthwhile to say to me, you are nothing to me, you are worthless, I will cyber crush you under my cyber heels while wearing my metal studded Domme choker and leave you writhing in your electronic filth as I type all over you!! Begone I say..don't dare come back...I own this thread!!:caning: Oh, sorry folks, I seem to have let some of that stupid crap addle my brain for just a second, she has ruined me and turned me into her clone!! Help me please, send in the priests, I must confess my sins against the all supreme princess who only wants to instruct us in her wisdom. Wonder if she thinks she is a diamond just waiting for the lifestyle to discover and mandate her wisdom as the only true way by which we must all obey?

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

First amendment freedom of speech protections do not extend to privately owned messaging forums. Your freedom of speech only guarantees your right to utter noise from your own throat, not to grant you access to any type of dissemination media such as the internet, radio, television, etc..

Now, get on your dirty cunt knees and suck my cock you filthy whore.

LOL, not to mention we are not bound by the first amendment in Europe, though Mr Bush would love us all to be under US law and rule I suspect. Another megalomaniac ego slut is he. Maybe they're related?!! Similar intellect, similar problems understanding plain english, same blood thirst but prefer to send someone else in to take the risks/heat for them while they stay safe.

Catalina

 

[Homburg]

Oh I forgot how to behave!! Get outta my thread, you can't post on my thread, you are not welcome as you have nothing worthwhile to say to me, you are nothing to me, you are worthless, I will cyber crush you under my cyber heels while wearing my metal studded Domme choker and leave you writhing in your electronic filth as I type all over you!! Begone I say..don't dare come back...I own this thread!!:caning: Oh, sorry folks, I seem to have let some of that stupid crap addle my brain for just a second, she has ruined me and turned me into her clone!! Help me please, send in the priests, I must confess my sins against the all supreme princess who only wants to instruct us in her wisdom. Wonder if she thinks she is a diamond just waiting for the lifestyle to discover and mandate her wisdom as the only true way by which we must all obey?

Catalina

*snicker*

That was damned amusing.

 

[Homburg]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=600246

I am now being called a rascist in other boards here on Lit. This is precious.

 

[wayfarm]

Dayum, I miss out on all the action around here....

WF