Help with my female character.

[atlusreign]

I'm writing a story (non erotic, kinda) based around the concept of corruption. I'm trying to find a way to take an ordinary woman from nice girl to evil rapist bitch. Its not that hard to do, but I don't want it to sound contrived or stereotypical. So I thought I would consult the friendly pervs here at lit. So what are your thoughts. How could a normal woman come to be a rapist without the intervention of a male partner. It's important that she be a somewhat self made woman.

Thanks

 

[Stella_Omega]

The same way men do-- all she has to do is convince herself that she has the god-given right to do it, the bitch deserves it, and that she will get away with it.

You could give her a shot of testosterone for some medical reason... I am not pointing a finger at men when I say that! Tes is strong stuff, and the Female-to-Male transsexuals that I know say it's incredibly hard to get used to-- like there's a non-stop porn film running in your brain, that takes a couple of years to get under control. If the woman already had some of the above beliefs, I think testosterone would send her right over the edge.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

The same way men do-- all she has to do is convince herself that she has the god-given right to do it, the bitch deserves it, and that she will get away with it.

You could give her a shot of testosterone for some medical reason... I am not pointing a finger at men when I say that! Tes is strong stuff, and the Female-to-Male transsexuals that I know say it's incredibly hard to get used to-- like there's a non-stop porn film running in your brain, that takes a couple of years to get under control. If the woman already had some of the above beliefs, I think testosterone would send her right over the edge.

I think it would take something like that to turn a woman into a rapist. Rape is usually alleged to be a crime of rage and aggression and very few women seem to turn their anger in that direction. In fact, sheltered soul that I am, I'm never heard of such a case where the real instigator wasn't her male partner. How about it, Stella? Know of any such off the top of your hat?

 

[starrkers]

I think it would take something like that to turn a woman into a rapist. Rape is usually alleged to be a crime of rage and aggression and very few women seem to turn their anger in that direction. In fact, sheltered soul that I am, I'm never heard of such a case where the real instigator wasn't her male partner. How about it, Stella? Know of any such off the top of your hat?

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of an instance female instigated rape.There' must be some, somewhere. Mustn't there?

 

[The_Fractal_King]

I think it would take something like that to turn a woman into a rapist. Rape is usually alleged to be a crime of rage and aggression and very few women seem to turn their anger in that direction. In fact, sheltered soul that I am, I'm never heard of such a case where the real instigator wasn't her male partner. How about it, Stella? Know of any such off the top of your hat?

From what I've heard rape is typically considered a crime of power. The violence is tangiental.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of an instance female instigated rape.There' must be some, somewhere. Mustn't there?

Google says there are some.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1319211.stm
http://english.prav******/hotspots/crimes/18-04-2005/8080-rapist-0
http://lauratooth.blogspot.com/2006/01/female-serial-rapist-terrorizes-orange.html
http://media.www.dailyiowan.com/med...wly.Female.Rapists.Get.Treatment-265923.shtml

I assume no one hears about it because no one cares about (or believes in) a guy being forced to have sex against his will.

 

[atlusreign]

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of an instance female instigated rape.There' must be some, somewhere. Mustn't there?

There are several. If you google female rapists you'll find several examples. Many of the results are statutory rape, but there are several that are not. Also to clarify, the character is mostly homosexual. She might rape a man but given an option, chooses a female victim.

 

[Guest]

I'm writing a story (non erotic, kinda) based around the concept of corruption. I'm trying to find a way to take an ordinary woman from nice girl to evil rapist bitch. Its not that hard to do, but I don't want it to sound contrived or stereotypical. So I thought I would consult the friendly pervs here at lit. So what are your thoughts. How could a normal woman come to be a rapist without the intervention of a male partner. It's important that she be a somewhat self made woman.

Thanks

I can only think of three ways that might happen; extreme psychological trauma, and/or a relatively mild but persistent psychotic break (if it was a moderate to severe psychotic break, she'd most likely be non-functional in everyday life), and/or severe drug abuse, probably hallucinogens. Personality is relatively fixed; it takes a lot of time/life experience or some very extreme event(s) to force a change in a person's basic psychological structure.

You might consider what a woman would might do if female friends of hers were brutally raped by males, the courts and police were of no help, and she was left to brood largely alone on the injustice without the benefit of reality testing by others.

Just a thought.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of an instance female instigated rape.There' must be some, somewhere. Mustn't there?

Gotta be.

And I am positive that at least once, the rape was thought of by the woman, without any male incitement-- the farthest tail end of the bell curve, eh? What springs to mind instantly, of course, is that the woman would have been a victim of brutality at some point in her own life...

It's a certainty that, in any discussion of women worrying about being raped by men, some man will point out that women have been known to be rapists.


Which brings up a point-- is this woman raping other women? Or men?
(eta) oops, you just answered that question!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Gotta be.

And I am positive that at least once, the rape was thought of by the woman, without any male incitement-- the farthest tail end of the bell curve, eh? What springs to mind instantly, of course, is that the woman would have been a victim of brutality at some point in her own life...

It's a certainty that, in any discussion of women worrying about being raped by men, some man will point out that women have been known to be rapists.


Which brings up a point-- is this woman raping other women? Or men?

He said that the woman predominantly targets other women. That's another thing I've never heard of but, hey,where I live? We never hear of anything.

 

[The_Fractal_King]

I'm writing a story (non erotic, kinda) based around the concept of corruption. I'm trying to find a way to take an ordinary woman from nice girl to evil rapist bitch. Its not that hard to do, but I don't want it to sound contrived or stereotypical. So I thought I would consult the friendly pervs here at lit. So what are your thoughts. How could a normal woman come to be a rapist without the intervention of a male partner. It's important that she be a somewhat self made woman.

Thanks

The first thing you have to work out is why a person would come to devalue other human beings.

She could simply be a sociopath that never had the opportunity for physical rape before. A CEO fits the needed profile for both a self made woman and potential sociopath.

Depending on the setting exposure to a class of people that are universally seen as less than human could bring her to take advantage of one of them, perhaps accidentally. From there she might develop a taste for it and find more and more victims. Rationalization for the attacks would slowly erode in the face of actions.

Witnessing a rape (especially of a loved one or a totally random person) could cause a psychotic break that brings her to the conclusion that she must/can destroy people that are dangerous/weak.

 

[Stella_Omega]

From what I've heard rape is typically considered a crime of power. The violence is tangiental.

Not by the victims, it isn't.

He said that the woman predominantly targets other women. That's another thing I've never heard of but, hey,where I live? We never hear of anything.

I am sure there have been women that rape other women, I bet I could find some accounts. There are a few misogynistic butch dykes out there. Yep-- a few.

 

[The_Fractal_King]

Not by the victims, it isn't.

I was referring to the intent of the attacker.

I am sure there have been women that rape other women, I bet I could find some accounts. There are a few misogynistic butch dykes out there. Yep-- a few.

Four seconds on google.
http://www.rmdglobal.net/she-stole-my-voice/

 

[voluptuary_manque]

So, education continues. And now that I know it can and does exist, I don't want to read about it in fiction.

 

[Stella_Omega]

WOW, Fractal. That is a helluva link. Thank you-- I think...

I don't think you can classify rape as not violent in first intent, though. That would be a very large generalisation.

So, education continues. And now that I know it can and does exist, I don't want to read about it in fiction.

I've never been able to write about real rape. Rough sex- I love to write that. Dubious consent, stalking-seduction-- I can read it, I'm not that good at writing it.

Real rape? I can't write it. I can't eroticise it. I can't read it in any sort of erotic context without sneering...

 

[starrkers]

From what I've heard rape is typically considered a crime of power. The violence is tangiental.



Google says there are some.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1319211.stm
http://english.prav******/hotspots/crimes/18-04-2005/8080-rapist-0
http://lauratooth.blogspot.com/2006/01/female-serial-rapist-terrorizes-orange.html
http://media.www.dailyiowan.com/med...wly.Female.Rapists.Get.Treatment-265923.shtml

I assume no one hears about it because no one cares about (or believes in) a guy being forced to have sex against his will.

Those links show my problem, more than anything. The first was a group situation where boys did the raping, with this girl in the cheersquad. The second I couldn't open. The third is fiction. The fourth maybe real rape or statutory rape, hard to tell from the report, and I could find nothing about this person other than repeats of the same story.

Gotta be.

And I am positive that at least once, the rape was thought of by the woman, without any male incitement-- the farthest tail end of the bell curve, eh? What springs to mind instantly, of course, is that the woman would have been a victim of brutality at some point in her own life...

It's a certainty that, in any discussion of women worrying about being raped by men, some man will point out that women have been known to be rapists.


Which brings up a point-- is this woman raping other women? Or men?
(eta) oops, you just answered that question!

I don't doubt it happens. In the range of human behaviour there has to be some women who do it. I'm thinking a pack mentality of women in vengeance over a perceived wrong attacking anothe woman would be the most likely event (female jail situation?)
Even a lone woman attacking other women I can see happening, a bitter woman hating woman.
How a "nice girl" an "ordinary woman" would become an "evil rapist bitch" I can't fathom. I don't think someone with that psychological makeup could ever have been an ordinary woman. The abuse to lead to that outcome would've had to begin at an early age.

 

[Stella_Omega]

...
How a "nice girl" an "ordinary woman" would become an "evil rapist bitch" I can't fathom

I think you mistakenly correlate "nice girl' with "ordinary woman," though...

 

[The_Fractal_King]

WOW, Fractal. That is a helluva link. Thank you-- I think...

Really shocked me actually. I was expecting a hand full of news articles.

I don't think you can classify rape as not violent in first intent, though. That would be a very large generalisation.

I'm just going by what I've heard that typically while physically violence is the main expression the desire is to destroy a different part of the victim. A lot of the behavior seen in serial killers and rapists involves power: ritualistically marking the person, intimidation in a court room, taking souvenirs from the victim. Personally, I think even looking that far into is creepy enough. Whether the main intent is violence or not isn't really the issue, I suppose.

 

[The_Fractal_King]

Those links show my problem, more than anything. The first was a group situation where boys did the raping, with this girl in the cheersquad. The second I couldn't open. The third is fiction. The fourth maybe real rape or statutory rape, hard to tell from the report, and I could find nothing about this person other than repeats of the same story.

I was skimming (really shoulda noticed the third one was fiction anyway)

But it's interesting that either there are very few female rapists or that what they do goes unreported.

 

[starrkers]

I think you mistakenly correlate "nice girl' with "ordinary woman," though...

I was quoting the OP.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Really shocked me actually. I was expecting a hand full of news articles.

I want to see it-- but I want to have prior arrangements with my therapist first.

Bear, I'd say this phenomena is, in some ways, an aspect of something else we were talking about-- bigotry expressed by members of a minority against that minority.

I'm just going by what I've heard that typically while physically violence is the main expression the desire is to destroy a different part of the victim. A lot of the behavior seen in serial killers and rapists involves power: ritualistically marking the person, intimidation in a court room, taking souvenirs from the victim. Personally, I think even looking that far into is creepy enough. Whether the main intent is violence or not isn't really the issue, I suppose.

That makes sense.

What might be the issue is how that power desire turns into violence, and how it can be prevented (which seems impossible, frankly)

 

[Stella_Omega]

I was quoting the OP.

Ah, yeah-- so sorry!
So, yeah-- to the OP, your woman can be 'ordinary" without being "a nice girl."

She could play the "nice girl' role though-- that would make her really scary...

 

[starrkers]

Ah, yeah-- so sorry!
So, yeah-- to the OP, your woman can be 'ordinary" without being "a nice girl."

She could play the "nice girl' role though-- that would make her really scary...

Oh shit, yeah!

 

[atlusreign]

Ah, yeah-- so sorry!
So, yeah-- to the OP, your woman can be 'ordinary" without being "a nice girl."

She could play the "nice girl' role though-- that would make her really scary...

Good point. I'll keep that distinction in mind. I like the concept of her being able to pretend to be nice. It makes her that much more disturbing.

 

[atlusreign]

So, education continues. And now that I know it can and does exist, I don't want to read about it in fiction.

It's a disturbing concept. But I've always found staring at the darkness much more enlightening than ignoring it. Just so you know, this character isn't going to be the hero of a rape fantasy. She's a bad person. Her presence in a scene is not meant to be titillating, it is meant to frighten and disturb the reader.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Good point. I'll keep that distinction in mind. I like the concept of her being able to pretend to be nice. It makes her that much more disturbing.

Like Hannibal Lecter

Just so you know, this character isn't going to be the hero of a rape fantasy. She's a bad person.

I thought you made that pretty clear in your first post-- for which I thank you