Safe injection sites

Shoud a city provide "safe injection sites" to drug addicts?

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Should a city provide, among other health services to addicts, a 'safe injection site'? At such a site the user can inject himself or herself, under medical supervision. Also included is "needle exchange": the addict turns in an old needle and gets a new, clean one. The city of Vancouver is debating the matter with the Canadian federal government; such sites have existed there for some time. Some other major world cities--San Francisco, in the US-- have such programs.

The philosophy is "harm reduction": No one is treated, but their risk of death and disease is reduced. SOME will then seek other treatments. In addition, community benefits are cited, e.g. addicts don't shoot up in parks and leave used hypodermics there.

Opponents say the money is wasted, since it's not treatment, and that such centres attract addicts; that such centres send the wrong message to addicts, implicitly encouraging the lifestyle. The Conservative Party of Canada, with a majority in parliament holds this view and a) wishes to withold funds, and b) remove the legal protections the site enjoys--i.e. that addicts there, with drugs, and/or shooting up, are not subject to arrest. In effect forcing a shut down, even if the centre was entirely financed by city and province.

http://www.sfaf.org/hpp [The San Francisco situation]

http://www.cdc.gov/IDU/facts/AED_IDU_SYR.pdf [Report to Congress re 'needle exchange']

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle-exchange_programme [Wiki article on topic.]




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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080530.wbcclinicisl30/BNStory/National/

Second safe injection site operating quietly in Vancouver since 2002

JEREMY NUTTALL
From Friday's Globe and Mail
May 30, 2008 at 5:52 AM EDT

VANCOUVER — A B.C. Supreme Court decision that closing Vancouver's supervised injection site is unconstitutional was a victory for the site's supporters.

But another safe injection site has been operating quietly in the city since 2002, and officials there say the federal government's plan to appeal Tuesday's ruling will not stop them - even if the Conservatives succeed in their appeal.

The site is part of the Dr. Peter Centre, an HIV/AIDS-specific care facility in the west end. It's much smaller than Insite, but offers the same service - a place for heroin users to inject drugs under the watchful eye of health-care workers.
Maxine Davis, executive director of the Dr. Peter Centre, said it makes sense to offer a supervised injection site to patients whose illnesses go hand in hand with drug addiction.

"Nurses working at the centre were witnessing rushed injections and a variety of health concerns," Ms. Davis said. "And they decided if they knew what to do to prevent such things, why not do it?"
And while Insite was seeking an exemption from criminal law, the centre took the position that it is upholding the law by providing a place where addicts can use drugs safely.

The centre's safe injection site has the blessing of the B.C. College of Nurses, the Vancouver Police Department and the provincial government. Unlike the high-profile Insite, the Dr. Peter Centre's facility has never been threatened with closing - the federal government has not even acknowledged it. As recently as last week, inquiries about the site were bounced from one ministry to another as none seemed to know it existed.

Tuesday's court decision, which proclaimed heroin addiction to be a health issue, specifically mentioned Insite. Health Minister Tony Clement said yesterday that the government will appeal the decision.
Ms. Davis said the court ruling would give the Dr. Peter Centre case law with which to argue for its existence. Whether the federal government wins or loses its appeal, Ms. Davis said the site will continue to operate.

"We were clear and firm in our position that we were carrying on regardless of the decision that was made by the court," she said. "So, if the federal government wants to appeal it, we maintain our position that it is a professional nurses' practice."
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Ottawa wants safe-injection site shut down

GLORIA GALLOWAY
From Friday's Globe and Mail
May 29, 2008 at 10:18 PM EDT

OTTAWA — Ottawa moved Thursday to close Canada's only sanctioned safe-injection site, announcing it will appeal a B.C. court ruling that Vancouver's Insite should stay open because reducing the risk of drug overdoses is a vital health service.
“In my opinion, supervised injection is not medicine; it does not heal the person addicted to drugs,” Health Minister Tony Clement told the House of Commons health committee Thursday.

“Injection not only causes physical harm, it also deepens and prolongs the addiction. Programs to support supervised injection divert valuable dollars away from treatment. And government-sponsored supervised injection sends a very mixed message to young people who are contemplating the use of illicit drugs.”

Mr. Clement told the committee he will ask Justice Minister Rob Nicholson to appeal a British Columbia Supreme Court ruling that saved Insite, North America's only sanctioned safe-injection facility, from closing at the end of June when its exemption from Canada's drug laws expires.

Allowing addicts to inject themselves with illegal drugs at a supervised site in Vancouver prevents the death of one person a year, Mr. Clement said.

“The evidence is that Insite's injection program saves, at best, one life per year. A precious life, yes. I believe we can do better and we must,” Mr. Clement said, citing a report from an advisory committee he struck to investigate the merits of the site. “My job as Health Minister is to balance that one life against any possible negative effect of supervised injection that might take one life elsewhere.”
The advisory committee, which released its report in March, concluded that although Insite staff have intervened in more than 336 overdoses since 2006 and no overdose deaths have occurred at the site, “Insite saves about one life a year as a result of intervening in overdose events.”

The committee said long-term studies would be needed to verify that number, and the “mathematical modelling” may not be valid. On the whole, the panel found Insite to be cost effective and helpful to addicts looking for treatment.

“Over a million injections have taken place at the site,” said Liz Evans, a nurse who is executive director of the group that runs the site. “You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that of the over 900 overdose incidents that have occurred since it's opened, probably more than four of them could have resulted in a death.”
The facility operates in the city's blighted Downtown Eastside on the strength of exemptions granted by Ottawa under a section of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

“In this case, we have given it due process, we've looked at all the evidence, and our position is that the exemption should not be continued,” Mr. Clement said.
Removing the exemption will shut Insite down if an appeal court reverses the B.C. court's judgment.

In his ruling this week, Mr. Justice Ian Pitfield upheld arguments that Insite provided vital health services to addicts by reducing the possibility of drug overdoses, curbing the risk of transmitting infectious diseases and giving users access to counselling that may lead to abstinence.

As a result, Insite's injection-drug users have the right to protection from drug laws under Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that guarantees everyone “life, liberty and security of the person,” the judge found.

He gave the federal government until June 30, 2009, to redraft laws against possession and trafficking of illegal drugs to accommodate Insite's operation. Without that adjustment, those key sections of the law are unconstitutional, Judge Pitfield said.
If the ruling is allowed to stand, advocates will press for additional sites in Vancouver and across Canada, Mr. Clement said.
He stressed that he approves of many of the services offered at Insite, including needle exchanges and condom distribution, and would not want it closed entirely. But he does not agree with supervised injections.

The minister's rejection of the safe-injection site came after the health committee heard from a series of witnesses supporting its continuation.

One witness supporting the government's position refused to testify, saying he has been harassed by addicts. Most of the people who appeared before the committee spoke from their own experiences.
For Ms. Evans, it was about dealing with addicts in the Downtown Eastside.

Others, like Thomas Kerr, director of the urban health research program at the B.C. Centre of Excellence in HIV/AIDS, cited the more than 25 peer-reviewed scientific papers that have found, among other things, that the injection site reduces public disorder, overdoses and disease while connecting the users of illegal drugs with avenues for treatment.

But Mr. Clement discounted that research, saying many of the studies have been conducted by the same authors who “plow their ground with regularity.”

When asked when Mr. Nicholson will launch the appeal, his office referred calls to Health Canada, which would say only that it will ask the minister to do so at the earliest opportunity.

Mr. Clement's announcement that he will ask for an appeal of the court ruling was greeted by cheers from a large group of people in the committee room who had been organized to attend to back the government's position.

But opposition MPs sided in favour of Insite.
David Butler-Jones, Canada's chief public health officer, looked decidedly uncomfortable when asked whether he agreed with Mr. Clement.

“The science, I think, speaks for itself. The debate speaks for itself,” Dr. Butler-Jones replied. “We provide the best advice we can. Governments and jurisdictions, as appropriate, make their decisions and have the political context in which they make their decisions.”
 
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I would check No. 1, "a good idea" except I have no idea about the "seem to work" part.

The correct answer of course is that the drugs (and the needles) should be legalized: The social tragedies criminalization begets are infinitely greater than the private tradedies of addiction - and we get the latter anyway. :mad:
 
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The problem, Pure, is that by approving this idea, one makes the City a partner in an illegal and unhealthy act and/or lifestyle. That just goes against the grain.

Nice try, but there really isn't any good solution to this problem.
 
I would check No. 1, "a good idea" except I have no idea about the "seem to work" part.

The correct answer of course is that the drugs (and the needles) should be legalized: The social tragedies criminalization begets are infinitely greater than the private tradedies of addition - and we get the latter anyway. :mad:

I second Roxelby's "legalize it" idea.

And as far as needle exchanges being a waste of money goes, isn't it cheaper in the long-run than treating the explosion of HIV / Aids from shared needles?

I think that after decades of the War on Drugs, it's safe to say that the zero tolerance approach doesn't work. People are going to use recreational drugs, no matter what deterents and education schemes are in place. Why not legalize it, regulate it, make it safer and, ultimately, tax it?

It would make the government richer and deal a real body blow to organised drug-related crime.
 
I would check No. 1, "a good idea" except I have no idea about the "seem to work" part.

The correct answer of course is that the drugs (and the needles) should be legalized: The social tragedies criminalization begets are infinitely greater than the private tradedies of addiction - and we get the latter anyway. :mad:
I agree. There is no option for government has no business regulating drug use that does not (physically) harm anyone other than the user. "Safe injection centers" should be legal, but I don't see any reason for tax dollars to fund them.

If there's a real need for them, then they'll happen whether government approves or funds them or not. (if Drugs were legal, there wouldn't be any need for them.)
 
“In my opinion, supervised injection is not medicine; it does not heal the person addicted to drugs,” Health Minister Tony Clement told the House of Commons health committee Thursday.

(Said in a sort of German accent) Ah. Mr. Morden. How are you and your 'associates' on this day.

Private joke. ;)

Seriously, taking drugs is foolish, but it shouldn't be illegal. By having safe sites the users can have their dosage controlled, the spread of disease can be limited and the users can have some contact with something other than drug society.

The last is especially important. It's easier to recover from something when you have somewhere to go.
 
Count me among those who agree that drugs should be legalized. I still wouldn't touch them, of course, but it would save a world of woe.......Carney
 
Drugs should definitely be made legal. What's the point of criminalizing one of the few things that actually makes people feel better?
 
The UK has safe injection sites and free needle schemes - for registered drug users/abusers.

Contact at these places can lead to changing behaviours without criminal proceedings but we don't have enough rehab places. No one wants such a centre near them.

Re-watching one of the Thames Valley Police reality shows I saw an addict losing his cool when stopped by the Police. Apparently he was so far gone that he had run out of veins to inject into, and was injecting into his eyeballs...

I don't think that's a safe injection site.

Og
 
I'm not surprised about that. ;)

You wouldn't believe how much Tony Clement resembles Morden. He was Health Minister for a while here in Ontario. I likened it to having the German General Staff in charge of the Allies on D-Day. ;)
 
Sydney Australia has safe injection centres. On the whole they have achieved their limited goals well.
They came into being because none of our politicians yet has the capacity or the courage to de-criminalise drugs. But it is a small step in the right direction
 
I'm not surprised about that. ;)

You wouldn't believe how much Tony Clement resembles Morden. He was Health Minister for a while here in Ontario. I likened it to having the German General Staff in charge of the Allies on D-Day. ;)

Seen any *ahem* shady figures next to him in photos?

I bet he has a hatred of the psychic too...
 
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it's not surprising that those of us favoring legalization, also favor 'safe injection' sites.

the interesting thing is that many favoring keeping the hard drugs illegal. e.g. those in Canada and US, favor such sites. for their 'harm reduction.'

i love the issue though, since it forces a certain far right Christian contingent**, to say. "can you prove it?" and when i say,"here's the evidence, checking the spread of AIDS in San Francisco."

they reply,
"why would we want to stop the spread of AIDS in San Francisco?"

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**and their bedfellow, amicus. amicus, come in!! jeremiad [look it up] against present day immorality, feminism and gays, needed! cast your 'no' vote. don't let the usual suspects go unopposed! safe injection sites are the foci [look it up] of rot, which these commies want!
 
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We should reinstitute the old-time opium houses. Make them fully legit and clean places to buy reasonably affordable FDA-approved chemicals and get high. And then keep cracking down hard on drugs elsewhere until it's competed out of business. It's similar to what they've done with prostitution in some European countries. They can't stop it, but they can issue licenses with rigid regulations to sex workers, and have been able to reduce street prostitution and trafficking significally. Customers gladly pay a little extra to be sure they're safe from STDs and they rather pay government VATs than pimp fees. It has, quite effectively, competed old time pimping and the classic crack whore out into the fringe. I can't see why the same wouldn't work with narcotics.
 
I don't agree with legalisation but needle exchanges and safe injection sites do help with harm reduction and there is the possibility of consequent crime reduction.

A large city near where I live is currently taking drug addiction services out of NHS control and into social care control with the aim of neither reducing use or criminalising users. The research suggests that most addictions (as opposed to addicts) have a 10-15 year life span and if users can avoid the knock on health and crime consequenses they stop anyway.

It's not sure if it will work but with luck yours truly will be doing the evaluation of it for her PhD
 
No. I don't agree with legalization. No I don't agree with safe injection sites.

Let me cite something from real life -
Back in the 1960's a couple of chemistry grad students at my alma matar, PSU, figured out how to make this "wonderful compound that totally blew you mind." They tried it. They found it dangerous. They wrote it up. The write up languished in the University Library for more than two decades.

Then someone found it and started cooking it in their kitchen. Wow! Meth! Now half the west coast is on that shit. Why? Because it was ignored based on the idea that it really wasn't that bad or harmful. In reality it destroys people.

Seeing what I have seen, I cannot in any form of good moral judgement condone the use of drugs. And I still believe providing needles (Oregon tried that and failed, by the way) and a "safe place" to inject would either work or not involve me as a citizen in condoning such practices.

I won't change my mind either.
 
Because of what drugs can do to people I can't condone legalization (though penalties for mere use should be reduced or dropped, IMO). Nonetheless having sites where people can use drugs safely seems like a good way to save a lot of lives in the long run.
 
Just wanted to add, for the record, that being in favor of legalization does not mean the same as condoning drug use.

Jenny is right, of course, when she said that there is no good solution. A good solution would be a vaccine that rid the body and mind of all present and future possible addictions.

Anything else is a case of choosing the lessest of evils. The problem lies in assessing those evils.

What is the situation now? A number of drug addicts, and a large amount of drug-realted misery per addict.

What would the situation be if drugs were legal, controlled and regulated? Less drug-realted misery per addict? I'm sure of it. More addicts? Possibly, but I'm not too certain of that. I think it would, to be crass about it, decrease the net sum of problems.
 
What would the situation be if drugs were legal, controlled and regulated? Less drug-realted misery per addict? I'm sure of it. More addicts? Possibly, but I'm not too certain of that. I think it would, to be crass about it, decrease the net sum of problems.

I think if it were legal...for one, we'd at least eliminate the drug dealers, or at least make them minimal. We'd be able to regulate it, say treat it the same as alcohol. More addicts may be willing to step forwards for treatment, without fear of prosecution. Eliminate a major source of income for gangs. And, of course, add jobs to the country.
 
Back in the 1960's ... "wonderful compound that totally blew you mind." They tried it. They found it dangerous. They wrote it up. The write up languished in the University Library for more than two decades.

Then someone found it and started cooking it in their kitchen. Wow! Meth! Now half the west coast is on that shit. Why?

Jenny, I think the story of Meth is a good argument for legalizing drugs, not keeping them illegal.

Met was ignored for twenty years not because it wasn't considered dangerous, but because when it was discovered, there were safer legal alternatives -- LSD was still legal when it was discovered.

Twenty years of the government outlawing each drug fad and the drug culture searching for something that hadn't been banned yet is what turned up Meth and put it in the hands of criminals who don't care about the innocent neighbors affected by Meth lab explosions or the health of their customers.

If all of the safer and less destructive alternatives hadn't been banned outright, Meth wouldn't be a problem because there would have been no incentive to go looking for it nor market for unethical and unscrupulous criminals to sell it to.
 
I cannot in any form of good moral judgement condone the use of drugs. And I still believe providing needles (Oregon tried that and failed, by the way) and a "safe place" to inject would either work or not involve me as a citizen in condoning such practices.

I won't change my mind either.

That is precisely the point Jenny. So long as the drugs questions are treated as 'a moral judgement'. they will not be resolved.

Liars personal view of drug use is I suspect fairly close to your own. Mine is too but I share Liar's view as the only practical resolution.

Personally I appreciate the moral dilemma but believe that sticking to the 'good moral judgement' you espouse is ultimately completely immoral because it must fail
 
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