Juicy college: discuss

[ABSTRUSE]

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/internetlife/2008-03-19-juicycampus-investigation_N.htm


Here's a general idea.

Juicy College is a website where posters are allowed to spread malicious gossip about their peers.
I saw the story on 20/20 last night.
The guy who runs the site is remaining hidden behind the scenes and is using the First Amendment for protection.

This site has caused students to be slandered, stalked, have criminal acts forced upon them...etc. Its horrifying.

One girl was raped on campus.......guess where it showed up? One poster said "she deserved it" and "I wish it was me that did it"

Gay students have been outted......others accused of racism.
Posters on this site are anonymous, they leave no email address to join, nothing traceable.

Its appalling and crap like this threatens good places like Lit.

 

[Salvor-Hardon]

That idea of First Amendment needs to be explained to be again. You can say what you will, but you MUST have the courage to stand behind your words. Crap that hurts, or worse makes wounds sting even more are the very depth of cowardice.

Yes I know I am saying this using an account that is not my real name, and yet there are more than enough people here who know it, who would squash my nuts like grapes if I was being an asshole and doing that kind of damage. Anonymity is fine to protect ourselves when we are doing no harm, but hiding with the intent to hurt is the shittiest existence on the planet.

 

[Guest]

That site does so much harm.

Surely something like this will test the boundaries of free speech.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Yep, most people dont have the balls to use their real name.

 

[jomar]

Vicious, but not new. Back in the day in high school there were 'slam books.' Slam books were composition notebooks in which people wrote anonymous comments about other students - some good, some hateful. People eagerly read them. Current technology takes it to the extreme. It's a shame, really, that people can't restrain themselves.

 

[Recidiva]

Isn't this just like other free speech issues - if you don't want to hear it, don't read it/support it?

Same with hateful news, radio stations and gossip rags.

At least it's labeled as gossip. Other outlets don't bother, and they're more destructive because they have legitimacy as a base.

Nobody going to or posting at this site will be mistaken for someone with courage or integrity.

 

[Guest]

Vicious, but not new. Back in the day in high school there were 'slam books.' Slam books were composition notebooks in which people wrote anonymous comments about other students - some good, some hateful. People eagerly read them. Current technology takes it to the extreme. It's a shame, really, that people can't restrain themselves.

That's the thing, isn't it? The extreme?

Where will these end?

 

[Recidiva]

That's the thing, isn't it? The extreme?

Where will these end?

I think it's part of immature behavior.

Like dirty diapers in preschool, being vicious as teens is common.

And some folks never progress beyond high school.

 

[Guest]

I think it's part of immature behavior.

Like dirty diapers in preschool, being vicious as teens is common.

And some folks never progress beyond high school.

Indeed.

We see evidence of that behavior on this very forum.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

As one who spent a lot of time on the receiving end of this, I cannot help but feel that malice is not covered under the First Amendment, any more that the right to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater is. And that's where I suspect it will stop. Eventually some court will decree that malice and viciousness isn't part of free speech. I'll even put money on it.

 

[Recidiva]

Indeed.

We see evidence of that behavior on this very forum.

I think so. I think the ones that rise above - realize not to go into a life of politics. Where the latest ridiculous rumor can murder your career.

Leading a life that doesn't rely on the misinformed hysteria of the immature and imbalanced remains sorta key to adulthood.

It'd be nice if we lived in a world without parasites and destruction, but we do. Plan ahead. Decide what they think won't change who you are.

I always believe that if someone believes a vicious rumor about me, I'm well rid of them.

 

[Recidiva]

As one who spent a lot of time on the receiving end of this, I cannot help but feel that malice is not covered under the First Amendment, any more that the right to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater is. And that's where I suspect it will stop. Eventually some court will decree that malice and viciousness isn't part of free speech. I'll even put money on it.

I think that malice is easily recognized.

Like - I don't need to go to the site because of it's stated purpose.

Picking out malice and slant in outlets that purport to be "fair" is harder.

Bottom line: Everyone has an agenda and a slant. Some are easier to pick out and are as easy to see as someone holding a knife. Some are much more insidious. I worry much more about the good liar than the socially dysfunctional drama queen.

 

[Guest]

I think that malice is easily recognized.

Like - I don't need to go to the site because of it's stated purpose.

Picking out malice and slant in outlets that purport to be "fair" is harder.

Bottom line: Everyone has an agenda and a slant. Some are easier to pick out and are as easy to see as someone holding a knife. Some are much more insidious. I worry much more about the good liar than the socially dysfunctional drama queen.

Excellent point.

Voluptary manque and I are educators - we see this sort of behavior often.

It's the sneaky ones that do the most damage.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

We can, and do, slap down vicious little gossips at the elementary level. By the time they get to high school, things are not only much more difficult, for a variety of reasons, but the bullying is more cruel. I don't wtf to do at the university level where you are supposedly dealing with adults. Personally, I could see raising the voting age to thirty, myself. Not to many people actually qualify as adults before then, especially us male-types.

 

[feeeriek]

and then there are those trying to counter act...the negative

http://www.taylorpeaceacademy.com/home.aspx

 

[Recidiva]

We can, and do, slap down vicious little gossips at the elementary level. By the time they get to high school, things are not only much more difficult, for a variety of reasons, but the bullying is more cruel. I don't wtf to do at the university level where you are supposedly dealing with adults. Personally, I could see raising the voting age to thirty, myself. Not to many people actually qualify as adults before then, especially us male-types.

My son's got Aspergers and he's being "mainstreamed" in the fourth grade. The kids are cruel as hell.

There's no way he can understand all the complicated things that go into making kids so nasty.

"Being mean" isn't illegal.

So I have to tell him to ignore them, and to remember that people are mean because they don't know how to be nice. The "Living well is the best revenge" theory. It makes sense to him and it's working.

It'd be impossible for him to articulate and understand every insult and cruelty. He needs to know that he has the option to take the high road and simply know that he's behaving well by doing so, it's not cowardly and he's not a victim. Identify and then avoid cruel and dishonest people.

If they put their hands on him, daddy can teach him how to handle that, and that usually involves fighting dirty.

 

[carsonshepherd]

There is sort of a pack mentality, too. People who would not normally engage in vicious attacks will do so if they see others doing it, no?

 

[Guest]

My son's got Aspergers and he's being "mainstreamed" in the fourth grade. The kids are cruel as hell.

There's no way he can understand all the complicated things that go into making kids so nasty.

"Being mean" isn't illegal.

So I have to tell him to ignore them, and to remember that people are mean because they don't know how to be nice. The "Living well is the best revenge" theory. It makes sense to him and it's working.

It'd be impossible for him to articulate and understand every insult and cruelty. He needs to know that he has the option to take the high road and simply know that he's behaving well by doing so, it's not cowardly and he's not a victim. Identify and then avoid cruel and dishonest people.

If they put their hands on him, daddy can teach him how to handle that, and that usually involves fighting dirty.

Both our children have Aspergers, too. Yes, we see this.

It is only now that I understand the reason I was such a "late bloomer." It's hereditary, of course, and they are having some of the same difficulties I had.

When you do not understand slang, when you don't catch the little asides your classmates say and do, when you cannot understand by someone's facial clues the meaning of their intent, school can be an absolute nightmare.

The internet has actually been a godsend for our kids. They can communicate much more easily in this context.

Those are good things you're telling your son. (Our son is in the fourth grade, too.) I wish you both happiness and also transition and coping skills.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I was not surprised at all when I saw this last night. This is the 2000's version of the bullshit gossip shit that's gone on in schools for years. Unfortunately, it goes beyond Wanda starting a rumor by telling Virginia. These fuckers are telling the bloody world and don't realize it.

Blame the damn parents for giving their kids cell phones so they can start texting their friends at age six, then allowing the usless little shits to sit in front of their video games for hours every day.

By the time they are in high school, they think that's the real world.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

My son's got Aspergers and he's being "mainstreamed" in the fourth grade. The kids are cruel as hell.

There's no way he can understand all the complicated things that go into making kids so nasty.

"Being mean" isn't illegal.

So I have to tell him to ignore them, and to remember that people are mean because they don't know how to be nice. The "Living well is the best revenge" theory. It makes sense to him and it's working.

It'd be impossible for him to articulate and understand every insult and cruelty. He needs to know that he has the option to take the high road and simply know that he's behaving well by doing so, it's not cowardly and he's not a victim. Identify and then avoid cruel and dishonest people.

If they put their hands on him, daddy can teach him how to handle that, and that usually involves fighting dirty.

He has my empathy. I, too, have Asperger's and I'm sure that was why from junior high until I graduated from high school I was a designated target for the semi-simians. Ignoring them doesn't work. Bullys are stubborn bastards and only isolating yourself from them makes you safe. That isn't easy. I wish you both the best.

There is sort of a pack mentality, too. People who would not normally engage in vicious attacks will do so if they see others doing it, no?

You bet, Carson, every couple of years I have to start lowering the boom on about half the class because some asshole decides to begin leading an attack on some other poor kid because he/she is just a tad different from the majority. I get really creative with reasons for suspension . . .

 

[Recidiva]

Both our children have Aspergers, too. Yes, we see this.

It is only now that I understand the reason I was such a "late bloomer." It's hereditary, of course, and they are having some of the same difficulties I had.

When you do not understand slang, when you don't catch the little asides your classmates say and do, when you cannot understand by someone's facial clues the meaning of their intent, school can be an absolute nightmare.

The internet has actually been a godsend for our kids. They can communicate much more easily in this context.

Those are good things you're telling your son. (Our son is in the fourth grade, too.) I wish you both happiness and also transition and coping skills.

Thank you.

I think for me the key is giving my son the tools to be in control of terminating a situation. Of not having to struggle with it.

My daughter got the same advice, but she also has a wicked sense of humor and justice and was able to pull off the "revenge" part. She always managed to make someone insulting her look stupid in the process.

My son is just sweet, nice, and basically entirely clueless about people being rude to him because he doesn't get any of the social conventions.

Especially for Asperger's, there's no way he can navigate all the conversations to getting other people to alter their behavior. Also, he can be irritating as hell, and he doesn't care much about social convention, so he may NEVER get it. "Dude, were you irritating? That'd irritate me. If you don't pay attention to what people like and want, you're probably not going to be friends. But your family loves you and you come home to us and that's what matters."

He can decide whether or not to continue to cooperate, care about, or speak to others without getting his feelings shredded along the way. "But mommy, what if he says I'm a coward if I won't argue?" "Who cares? Why are you still listening to him. He's like a yappy little dog that doesn't know how to stop barking."

He's doing really well, and he has a great bunch of teachers. They look out for him and if things get bad, other kids get sent to the dean for bullying.

I accept that I can't make the kids there nice to him. That's unrealistic. However, I can make sure that anyone crossing certain lines is disciplined for it. Including my son when necessary.

That's school though, the internet - I got no control.

 

[Recidiva]

He has my empathy. I, too, have Asperger's and I'm sure that was why from junior high until I graduated from high school I was a designated target for the semi-simians. Ignoring them doesn't work. Bullys are stubborn bastards and only isolating yourself from them makes you safe. That isn't easy. I wish you both the best.

Thank you, and it's scary as hell to send him out there every day, but I'm just incredibly lucky that he's so basically sweet and kind and forgiving people for being dumb is part of his nature. It'll work for him because he really thinks he's the coolest, smartest kid on earth and the other kids are just sorta dumb for not getting it. It'll do for now.

When he gets a little bit older and more able to physically handle himself, daddy will teach him how to fight...he'll need that come high school...I think it's required to be a guy.

 

[feeeriek]

Thank you, and it's scary as hell to send him out there every day, but I'm just incredibly lucky that he's so basically sweet and kind and forgiving people for being dumb is part of his nature. It'll work for him because he really thinks he's the coolest, smartest kid on earth and the other kids are just sorta dumb for not getting it. It'll do for now.

When he gets a little bit older and more able to physically handle himself, daddy will teach him how to fight...he'll need that come high school...I think it's required to be a guy.

please explain to feee why fighting is required to be a guy...thank you

 

[Recidiva]

please explain to feee why fighting is required to be a guy...thank you

Because from my father, my brothers and my husband, each one of them survived certain moments of their life when some asshole decided to sneak up on them and try to sucker punch them. The way they avoided it happening over and over again was to beat the everloving hell out of that one asshole that one time, so they stayed down and told their friends.

ETA: I know how to fight, my dad made sure of that. I've had less opportunity to use it, as women will usually just come at you with words.

 

[feeeriek]

Because from my father, my brothers and my husband, each one of them survived certain moments of their life when some asshole decided to sneak up on them and try to sucker punch them. The way they avoided it happening over and over again was to beat the everloving hell out of that one asshole that one time, so they stayed down and told their friends.

ETA: I know how to fight, my dad made sure of that. I've had less opportunity to use it, as women will usually just come at you with words.

it is nice to know that beating the crap out of someone makes one a guy...feee is glad to know it doesn't make one a man