You can't? Fuck you!

[Marquis]

Let's keep this simple people.

What is the essence of a Master/slave relationship?

The slave doing anything the Master says, correct?

Correct.

On the most brutally simplistic of terms, is this not what it boils down to?

And yet, little girls all too happy to call themselves "slaves" are constantly refusing commands, on the basis of "I can't."

Sit down children, let me tell you a story. Earlier in the decade, when your boy Marquis first hit the job market, it was very hip for top employers to ask inane questions with the goal of seeing a person's thought process and problem solving ability.

The most famous of these questions being, "Why are manhole covers round?" A question that apparently has no answer, but has been pontificated upon by brainiacs worldwide nonetheless.

You know what they call this, in the corporate world?

RESOURCEFULNESS!!!

Can you imagine, your resume is flawless, your presentation, outstanding. Then you are asked, "What is the internal cabin volume of a 747?"

And you say....

"How should I know! I can't do that!"

You're done, son.

What the employee is now hearing is...

"I am not an asset. I am a liability. I choke in pressured situations and will blame you for my failures."

Let me tell you a secret. Master's know that slaves are not capable of doing anything and everything we want. We know that there are some things you are not capable of, for any number of reasons. But we want to see you try.

In fact, the stupider you look trying, the more satisfied we are likely to be.

Counter-intuitive, eh?

Well, now you know.

Each one, teach one.

 

[EmpressFi]

nice to know.. oh son of god

 

[intothewoods]

I love wacky Marquis threads!

First of all, did you actually get the manhole question? I never have.

As to the rest, I guess effort is always appreciated, hmm? I hope you aren't requesting they end the violence in Iraq, and then ranting about them when they look at you funny.

 

[00Syd]

Manholes are round because a square one would use more metal, right?

 

[midwestyankee]

It's usually much easier to drill a round hole and so the topper for it ought to match the shape of the hole. Hence, round manhole covers. Remember: the simplest answer to a problem is almost always the right one.

 

[intothewoods]

This thread should totally focus on manhole covers. That'll teach Marquis to include "Fuck You!" in his thread title.

 

[madetotakeit]

Manhole covers are round so they will not accidentally fall through the opening if tipped.

As far as Master/slave... Master says, slave does. That's my understanding of it. *shrug*

 

[intothewoods]

This was illuminating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhole_cover

 

[Homburg]

Let me tell you a secret. Master's know that slaves are not capable of doing anything and everything we want. We know that there are some things you are not capable of, for any number of reasons. But we want to see you try.

In fact, the stupider you look trying, the more satisfied we are likely to be.

Counter-intuitive, eh?

Well, now you know.

Each one, teach one.

I didn't think this was a secret. I thought it was pretty obvious. Of course, given how I am, this means that you are likely correct and what I thought was simple and intuitive was, in fact, the opposite.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

I would think manhole covers are round because pipes are round. So it would be a lot easier to lower a round pipe through a round hole than a square hole.

 

[faeriefire]

Manhole covers are round so they can be rolled. Construction workers would be unable to move them otherwise. An excess of farmer tan and too little mus-cle

 

[Marquis]

You people are insufferable.

I start a fine thread about not making excuses, and all you can think about is the damn manhole covers.

 

[Marquis]

As to the rest, I guess effort is always appreciated, hmm? I hope you aren't requesting they end the violence in Iraq, and then ranting about them when they look at you funny.

How about a short video demonstration on how I run things...

click me

 

[Jack_Slade]

Can you imagine, your resume is flawless, your presentation, outstanding. Then you are asked, "What is the internal cabin volume of a 747?"

And you say....

The correct response is "I don't know Sir, but give me a minute and I'll find the answer."

At 31,285 cubic feet (876 cubic meters), the 747-400 has the largest passenger interior volume of any commercial airliner (no doubt printed before the Airbus A380 started service)

In regards to your complaining about sub's who refuse a command, Why don't you take a few minutes and read This

 

[madetotakeit]

You people are insufferable.

I start a fine thread about not making excuses, and all you can think about is the damn manhole covers.

Guess the board's is feeling a little sammy tonight.

 

[YourCaptor]

Let's keep this simple people.
The most famous of these questions being, "Why are manhole covers round?"

Round because a cylinder/disk has the most structural integrity for the price. Ancient teck back from the romans.

Then you are asked, "What is the internal cabin volume of a 747?"

Push it down into a lake, measure the displacement of water. Or do a lot of tedious trig.

I prefer the first method.

Let's keep this simple people.
Let me tell you a secret. Master's know that slaves are not capable of doing anything and everything we want. We know that there are some things you are not capable of, for any number of reasons. But we want to see you try.

In fact, the stupider you look trying, the more satisfied we are likely to be.

Totally agree

 

[faeriefire]

How about a short video demonstration on how I run things...

click me

AIDA huh? Well if you have a watch like that dude feel free to share the wealth. Fedex surprises always appreciated

As for the sub/slave bit I thought a slave gave up the right to say no...and trusts their master to make demands that won't kill or permanently break them...for me impossible demands would be very irksome because I like succeeding and knowing there was no way to succeed going in would severely mess with my motivation. Quite a mindf*ck if you will. I'd be fighting the task and myself at the same time... Is the 'success' in this case pleasing you? because she tried? or is the success knowing she can't succeed and you will both look forward to the subsequent punishment? In any case I suppose being a good slave requires doing anything the Master demands. And if saying 'no' becomes a regular thing maybe slavery isn't the right fit. Or maybe it's time to reestablish who's in charge. Or leave...that's the one route slaves have that allows them to say 'no' right? Walking away? Or is dying the only out in your contract? For me I'll stay subbie and keep my safewords. But slavery's a whole other dimension so I guess you figure it out for yourself. Your the Dom after all.

 

[madetotakeit]

I have to agree with the frustration of being given a task that was a guarantee that I couldn't successfully complete. But I do see the value in that. Personally I like the idea of being a bit off balance. What better way than to knock the pride down a notch or two and reinforce the power positions. As long as the attempt was noted and not the failure punished. The fact that it wasn't completed would be a punishment in itself because I would dwell on it to an extent. It might also make me try that much harder on future directives to make up for the failure.

 

[twysted73]

AIDA huh? Well if you have a watch like that dude feel free to share the wealth. Fedex surprises always appreciated

As for the sub/slave bit I thought a slave gave up the right to say no...and trusts their master to make demands that won't kill or permanently break them...for me impossible demands would be very irksome because I like succeeding and knowing there was no way to succeed going in would severely mess with my motivation. Quite a mindf*ck if you will. I'd be fighting the task and myself at the same time... Is the 'success' in this case pleasing you? because she tried? or is the success knowing she can't succeed and you will both look forward to the subsequent punishment? In any case I suppose being a good slave requires doing anything the Master demands. And if saying 'no' becomes a regular thing maybe slavery isn't the right fit. Or maybe it's time to reestablish who's in charge. Or leave...that's the one route slaves have that allows them to say 'no' right? Walking away? Or is dying the only out in your contract? For me I'll stay subbie and keep my safewords. But slavery's a whole other dimension so I guess you figure it out for yourself. Your the Dom after all.

Scintilating...both of you.
Quite a development.

The only answer here would be for the Dominant to find a like minded slave.
Otherwise....He or She would only be frustraiting themselves with less-desirable fare. Less challanging and less rewarding to both of them.

"There's someone for everyone" I've heard it said.

Find what's yours and get it. Keep it. Take it and enjoy it.
Slap it, finger it, flog it, piss on it, crop it, scratch it, choke it, burn it, brand it, cut it, fuck it, cum on it, dress it up and humiliate it to your heart's content.

(techonologic)

 

[Pure]

marquis What is the essence of a Master/slave relationship?

The slave doing anything the Master says, correct?

Correct.

On the most brutally simplistic of terms, is this not what it boils down to?

And yet, little girls all too happy to call themselves "slaves" are constantly refusing commands, on the basis of "I can't."

[...]

Let me tell you a secret. Master's know that slaves are not capable of doing anything and everything we want. We know that there are some things you are not capable of, for any number of reasons. But we want to see you try.

In fact, the stupider you look trying, the more satisfied we are likely to be.

Counter-intuitive, eh?

Well, now you know.

===

pure: I think these points are well taken, Marquis.

the army infantryman and the "slave" both, are not expected to try to figure the odds of success.

the master, in calling on the slave to do something difficult or impossible, may have any number of purposes. for the slave to look stupid might be one. or to look zealous. the issue of success is quite separate.

 

[im_a_voyeur]

Guess it's a good thing I don't consider myself a slave.

 

[catalina_francisco]

LOL, but you see Marquis, there are also many lessons Masters need to learn if they ever wish to reach their perfect goal and be successful in the pursuit of the honour of being called and thought of as 'Master'. Anyone can say fetch, it is only when you have a bitch who respects and trusts their Master fully, and wants/needs to fetch to please beyond all else that fetching and obedience will happen, or at worst be attempted in the face of all obstacles...and that requires a lot more than mouthing the word 'fetch' because all the other bitch owners in the play park are seen and heard doing it. Some bitches may require a little more encouragement over time, some might require a little more time, some might need a little more love, some might need a little more attention, some might need to know they please, some might simply need to feel secure, and some might just be stupid enough to fetch in the hope of getting that nice juicy bone they so desire in their chops without thought of anything else, even pleasing/obeying. IOW, the illusion is far easier to believe than the reality is to achieve...as you say, when confronted with such a dilemma, blame might be inappropriately assigned to one source when it really is a shared burden, no? But you already knew all that.:

Catalina

 

[Marquis]

The correct response is "I don't know Sir, but give me a minute and I'll find the answer."

At 31,285 cubic feet (876 cubic meters), the 747-400 has the largest passenger interior volume of any commercial airliner (no doubt printed before the Airbus A380 started service)

In regards to your complaining about sub's who refuse a command, Why don't you take a few minutes and read This

Jack Slade, let me tell you a little about this whole "limits" business.

Bunch of nonsense, that's what.

Other than that, I like what you got going on in this post.

Guess the board's is feeling a little sammy tonight.

I've never known the board to be different, and yet I love it anyway.

Totally agree

Since you have been courteous and insightful enough to agree with me, I will tell you that I find your avatar to be quite bitching.

AIDA huh? Well if you have a watch like that dude feel free to share the wealth. Fedex surprises always appreciated

As for the sub/slave bit I thought a slave gave up the right to say no...and trusts their master to make demands that won't kill or permanently break them...for me impossible demands would be very irksome because I like succeeding and knowing there was no way to succeed going in would severely mess with my motivation. Quite a mindf*ck if you will. I'd be fighting the task and myself at the same time... Is the 'success' in this case pleasing you? because she tried? or is the success knowing she can't succeed and you will both look forward to the subsequent punishment? In any case I suppose being a good slave requires doing anything the Master demands. And if saying 'no' becomes a regular thing maybe slavery isn't the right fit. Or maybe it's time to reestablish who's in charge. Or leave...that's the one route slaves have that allows them to say 'no' right? Walking away? Or is dying the only out in your contract? For me I'll stay subbie and keep my safewords. But slavery's a whole other dimension so I guess you figure it out for yourself. Your the Dom after all.

See comments of Pure below.

pure: I think these points are well taken, Marquis.

the army infantryman and the "slave" both, are not expected to try to figure the odds of success.

the master, in calling on the slave to do something difficult or impossible, may have any number of purposes. for the slave to look stupid might be one. or to look zealous. the issue of success is quite separate.

Also, the master may not know that the request is impossible. He may want to see what the slave is capable of, and be completely prepared to accept her failure as a positive learning experience.

Guess it's a good thing I don't consider myself a slave.

I'll bite.

Why is that, my little one?

LOL, but you see Marquis, there are also many lessons Masters need to learn if they ever wish to reach their perfect goal and be successful in the pursuit of the honour of being called and thought of as 'Master'. Anyone can say fetch, it is only when you have a bitch who respects and trusts their Master fully, and wants/needs to fetch to please beyond all else that fetching and obedience will happen, or at worst be attempted in the face of all obstacles...and that requires a lot more than mouthing the word 'fetch' because all the other bitch owners in the play park are seen and heard doing it. Some bitches may require a little more encouragement over time, some might require a little more time, some might need a little more love, some might need a little more attention, some might need to know they please, some might simply need to feel secure, and some might just be stupid enough to fetch in the hope of getting that nice juicy bone they so desire in their chops without thought of anything else, even pleasing/obeying. IOW, the illusion is far easier to believe than the reality is to achieve...as you say, when confronted with such a dilemma, blame might be inappropriately assigned to one source when it really is a shared burden, no? But you already knew all that.:

Catalina

Catalina, I you.

 

[EmpressFi]

<snip>

"There's someone for everyone" I've heard it said.

Find what's yours and get it. Keep it. Take it and enjoy it.
Slap it, finger it, flog it, piss on it, crop it, scratch it, choke it, burn it, brand it, cut it, fuck it, cum on it, dress it up and humiliate it to your heart's content.

(techonologic)

I couldnt have said it better.

What works for some doesnt work for everyone and to apply a blanket statement saying if you wear label a you must always behave in this manner, respond in this manner, say and do things like this... well I dont know that they make cookie cutter slaves.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Catalina, I you.

LOL, well you know I you back, always.

Catalina