The Gender Fuck

[BiBunny]

Calling Netz, DB, and anybody else appreciative of gender-queerness! (Please pardon the rather stupid title, but it was all I could think of to call it.)

The really cool guy who more or less fell out of the sky into my lap and I were talking about this last night. It started by us saying it'll be fun for him to get all femmed up when I Top him next week. Yes, I realize bottomy male in panties is a really common version of this, but we it didn't take long for us to start talking about the basically infinite combinations of this we could do, given that we're both bi switches who are open to bringing in other people if/when it suits us.

Some of the particularly memorable ideas were of him wearing some of my super-slutty girl clothes and doing his sadist Top bit to me (you know, channeling Shanky), me being the uber-submissive bottom boy (including him pointing at my clit and saying, "You call that a cock, faggot boy?"), and him going femme while I go butch (complete with the two of us torturing a sub of any gender or combination thereof).

I've been interested in this kind of thing forever, but I've sort of lacked the opportunity to play around with it more than a time or two. The idea of helping my new play partner DP a sub boy while both of us are cross-dressed just makes me foam at the mouth with lust. (Like I said, there are truly infinite possibilities here.)

I know there are other people interested in this besides me, so I wanted to spark discussion. (I'd really, really appreciate it if we could keep the "I couldn't be submissive to my Master anymore if he tied me to a chair and forced me to watch him nail a t-girl" comments to a minimum, please.) What are some good experiences and/or fantasies you've had with this kind of thing? Inspire me!

 

[marieR19]

Unfortunately, I have no experiences in this area, and no real fantasies, since this is the first time I've actually thought about it in the context of ME doing it. But I have to admit, that post really made me see what could be so sexy/awesome about it, and now I'm kinda squirming. You really have a way with words, BiBunny!

*waits impatiently to see what others have to say*


Heather

 

[BiBunny]

Unfortunately, I have no experiences in this area, and no real fantasies, since this is the first time I've actually thought about it in the context of ME doing it. But I have to admit, that post really made me see what could be so sexy/awesome about it, and now I'm kinda squirming. You really have a way with words, BiBunny!

*waits impatiently to see what others have to say*


Heather

Thank you.

I can't wait to hear what everybody else has to say, either. I think it's a pretty interesting topic, though I get that it's certainly not for everybody.

 

[Netzach]

What about it, really?
Go for broke, do your most out there fantasies, strap one on and let it take you where it leads.

 

[BiBunny]

What about it, really?
Go for broke, do your most out there fantasies, strap one on and let it take you where it leads.

Absolutely. I'm just doing 'Net voyeurism and hoping to perv on other people's fantasies and experiences on a slow Friday night.

 

[Netzach]

Absolutely. I'm just doing 'Net voyeurism and hoping to perv on other people's fantasies and experiences on a slow Friday night.

Oh, I gotcha.

I'll regale you with tales of debauchery in the AM, I'm post trunk-show fried.

 

[spndrft]

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Some of the particularly memorable ideas were of him wearing some of my super-slutty girl clothes and doing his sadist Top bit to me (you know, channeling Shanky), me being the uber-submissive bottom boy (including him pointing at my clit and saying, "You call that a cock, faggot boy?"), and him going femme while I go butch (complete with the two of us torturing a sub of any gender or combination thereof).

Hmm... I think the only thing tastier to me would be with him being the sadist Top but dressed as a cute girly something (maybe a school girl outfit? do you have a wig with pig tails?) and you/she being the uber-submissive bottom boy but all decked out like a super butch guy.... so a little top/bottom mixing up to go with the gender mix up....

... thanks, I'm going to be thinking about this one for a while

 

[YourCaptor]

One of my mild fantasies involves a cute little boy desperately trying to hold his skirt down as his erection pushes it up. Usually the boys in my fantasies are slaves/pets, which seems kind of unrealistic to me because I place so much emphasis on serious relationships. Still trying to work that one out in my head.

 

[BiBunny]

Oh, I gotcha.

I'll regale you with tales of debauchery in the AM, I'm post trunk-show fried.

Faaaaabulous. I knew I could count on you.

Hmm... I think the only thing tastier to me would be with him being the sadist Top but dressed as a cute girly something (maybe a school girl outfit? do you have a wig with pig tails?) and you/she being the uber-submissive bottom boy but all decked out like a super butch guy.... so a little top/bottom mixing up to go with the gender mix up....

... thanks, I'm going to be thinking about this one for a while

This is also a good idea. It might be fun to see who can out-metro the other, too.

One of my mild fantasies involves a cute little boy desperately trying to hold his skirt down as his erection pushes it up. Usually the boys in my fantasies are slaves/pets, which seems kind of unrealistic to me because I place so much emphasis on serious relationships. Still trying to work that one out in my head.

That, too, is hot and a definite possibility for the two of us.

 

[Noira]

Hmm... I think the only thing tastier to me would be with him being the sadist Top but dressed as a cute girly something (maybe a school girl outfit? do you have a wig with pig tails?) and you/she being the uber-submissive bottom boy but all decked out like a super butch guy.... so a little top/bottom mixing up to go with the gender mix up....

... thanks, I'm going to be thinking about this one for a while

Wowww. I'm not going to be able to get that mental image out of my head for a while! That one's hawt in a very strange sort of way. That's awesome.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Have to say I am overjoyed you are venturing in this direction of play after some of your previous reservations...the possibilities need only be limited by your own imagination. For me, while I can appreciate the whole gender bending cross dressing thing for both genders, it works at its best when those doing the crossover (with a little or a lot of work) can pull it off so well, many in public would not immediately guess..but that is also a lot to do with I then want to get them in front of my camera for some artistic adventures. Androgyny works well for me, and I love the aesthetics involved with a beautiful male in women's attire, or a wonderful woman in male attire. I am limited in what I can say on the matter, and most of what I can say that we have done has been well documented in words and photos here. There was also a time not long after I moved here when we went to a club and watched as a t-girl got friendly with a few of the males in the club and proceeded to take them onto the small stage and fuck them in one form or another one by one...that was interesting given the repressed society I was used to where such public sex would have resulted in arrest!

Catalina

 

[TenJed69]

Not for me but I can see how that could be hot. Sounds quite original too, good luck

 

[sexycaz22]

I have been thinking of me being a guy ( I was a tomboy when I was younger, and is still at heart) I like to dress up as a guy but this is where it gets stranger, I prefer the sub to be fully man, I think of my guy inner as a gay guy. If this makes sense?

I am quite happy being a girl, and I love being a girl (minus all these problems we all have) but occissionally I would love to dress up as a man and fucking other men as a gay guy!

Now I am embrassed! lol

 

[myinnerslut]

I have been thinking of me being a guy ( I was a tomboy when I was younger, and is still at heart) I like to dress up as a guy but this is where it gets stranger, I prefer the sub to be fully man, I think of my guy inner as a gay guy. If this makes sense?

I am quite happy being a girl, and I love being a girl (minus all these problems we all have) but occissionally I would love to dress up as a man and fucking other men as a gay guy!

Now I am embrassed! lol

this reminds me of a book i once read where the character self identified as a gay boy in a women's body. i think the book was called "under my master's wing" but i dont really recall

 

[sexycaz22]

this reminds me of a book i once read where the character self identified as a gay boy in a women's body. i think the book was called "under my master's wing" but i dont really recall

Mmm... sounds interesting If you remember the full title, let me know, I might be interested in reading that book

 

[catalina_francisco]

I have been thinking of me being a guy ( I was a tomboy when I was younger, and is still at heart) I like to dress up as a guy but this is where it gets stranger, I prefer the sub to be fully man, I think of my guy inner as a gay guy. If this makes sense?

I am quite happy being a girl, and I love being a girl (minus all these problems we all have) but occissionally I would love to dress up as a man and fucking other men as a gay guy!

Now I am embrassed! lol

LOL, I can so identify with this! I have mentioned it before here, but usually it doesn't raise a comment, only silence...figured perhaps I was alone in this and better not go there in future.

Catalina

 

[sexycaz22]

LOL, I can so identify with this! I have mentioned it before here, but usually it doesn't raise a comment, only silence...figured perhaps I was alone in this and better not go there in future.

Catalina

I am not the only one!

 

[spndrft]

I have been thinking of me being a guy ( I was a tomboy when I was younger, and is still at heart) I like to dress up as a guy but this is where it gets stranger, I prefer the sub to be fully man, I think of my guy inner as a gay guy. If this makes sense?

I am quite happy being a girl, and I love being a girl (minus all these problems we all have) but occissionally I would love to dress up as a man and fucking other men as a gay guy!

Now I am embrassed! lol

hmmm.... hadn't thought of it that way... but I like the way you think

LOL, I can so identify with this! I have mentioned it before here, but usually it doesn't raise a comment, only silence...figured perhaps I was alone in this and better not go there in future.

Catalina

My husband always described himself that way... a lesbian trapped in a man's body... it never seemed like an odd statement to me. Guess that's why we work well together, even tho he's 100% straight and I'm not.

 

[spndrft]

Sort of. I don't understand why you identify as a guy, but then it's the subconscious, it's a weird place. Besides, there's no need to embarrassed; it's your kink, what can you do about it?

I don't know, I don't think what's being described here is the same thing as being transgendered. For example: I had a friend who was transgendered and while I knew them went from female to male (FTM). He was always a he, even before the transition (hormones, cross dressing, etc) and even when he tried to dress a little girlier... people always either assumed he was male OR were confused as to his gender... and this went back to being a toddler, even tho, again, he was raised a girl.

This is different from, for example, what my husband means when he refers to his "inner lesbian". Now he's not a big macho manly man.... but he's not girly, either. And he identifies as a man. Similarly, sexycaz22, describes herself as a girl, and happy being a girl.

Maybe I'm just being too literal

Like all other things we discuss it's a big broad spectrum... and some of us just like to switch sides or hang out more towards the middle some of the time

 

[sexycaz22]

I don't know, I don't think what's being described here is the same thing as being transgendered. For example: I had a friend who was transgendered and while I knew them went from female to male (FTM). He was always a he, even before the transition (hormones, cross dressing, etc) and even when he tried to dress a little girlier... people always either assumed he was male OR were confused as to his gender... and this went back to being a toddler, even tho, again, he was raised a girl.

This is different from, for example, what my husband means when he refers to his "inner lesbian". Now he's not a big macho manly man.... but he's not girly, either. And he identifies as a man. Similarly, sexycaz22, describes herself as a girl, and happy being a girl.

Maybe I'm just being too literal

Like all other things we discuss it's a big broad spectrum... and some of us just like to switch sides or hang out more towards the middle some of the time

Yep, I agree with the bold statment

I don't see myself changing into a guy at anytime *ugh* I prefer to be a girl actually, could not imagine myself having a willy, flat-chested, I love my breasts far too much! *LAUGHS*

But I would love to dress up as a guy occssionally with a male sub, and just fuck him with a strap on, and imagining me being a guy fucking his asshole, that would be awesome!

 

[Etoile]

Calling Netz, DB, and anybody else appreciative of gender-queerness!

*raises hand*

 

[DeservingBitch]

I've been kind of out of it recently, kind of too busy with dissertation writing, grading, and whoring to have much of a social life.

But I had a fun 'gender fuck' evening last week with two friends/lovers. There was a genderfuck night at our pansexual club, and the three of us went together: me all femmed-up and packing, J. my lovely butchy bottom goth girl, and A., my CD boy (the 19 yo that I've posted pics of in another thread) also all femmed-up.

We had a great evening dancing, drinking, and chatting with other people. A little bit of hot kissing and pedding, but nothing that warranted getting a room! A fun night -- also my first time at packing in public. For some reason, it attracted a lot of attention, even though everybody in the place were all genderfuck people. And of course, my boy got a LOT of attention from the other boys in the room. I had many of them coming up to me asking whether they could play with him or just offer him a drink. Every time of course, he'd blush like a lady! So cute.

 

[barefoot_bohemian]

I work as a phone sex operator, and most of my calls involve genderbending of some sort or another.

The most common domination calls I get are: men who secretly want to dress up like women (and be tarty little sluts for me to use), men who want forced anal play without the "gay" connotation, and men who crave the humiliation along with the forced feminization.

I have to admit-- I ADORE these calls.
I'm a maso-bottom in real life, but, wow.

 

[barefoot_bohemian]

I don't know, I don't think what's being described here is the same thing as being transgendered. For example: I had a friend who was transgendered and while I knew them went from female to male (FTM). He was always a he, even before the transition (hormones, cross dressing, etc) and even when he tried to dress a little girlier... people always either assumed he was male OR were confused as to his gender... and this went back to being a toddler, even tho, again, he was raised a girl.

A very good friend of mine is FTM. He's been on hormones for a few years now, had the top surgery, is planning his bottom surgery, and can pass without an issue. I can't even picture what he looked like before he started his transition.


We were painting last summer--crappy summer job--and he had his shirt off.

He has some of his tattoos from before he transitioned (he actually was in porn, back as a gal) and so some of his tattoos are "girly"-- butterflies, and such.

There huge manly construction workers saw us painting, and one of them said: "Whew! He musta been DRUNK when he got that tattoo!"

It was a huge ego boost to know he "passed" to such a stereotypically manly man.

 

[Harlet_Minx]

I don't know, I don't think what's being described here is the same thing as being transgendered. For example: I had a friend who was transgendered and while I knew them went from female to male (FTM). He was always a he, even before the transition (hormones, cross dressing, etc) and even when he tried to dress a little girlier... people always either assumed he was male OR were confused as to his gender... and this went back to being a toddler, even tho, again, he was raised a girl.

This is different from, for example, what my husband means when he refers to his "inner lesbian". Now he's not a big macho manly man.... but he's not girly, either. And he identifies as a man. Similarly, sexycaz22, describes herself as a girl, and happy being a girl.

Maybe I'm just being too literal

Like all other things we discuss it's a big broad spectrum... and some of us just like to switch sides or hang out more towards the middle some of the time

Yeah, theirs a distinct difference between transvestites and transsexuals, being that for a transsexual, it's not a sexual interest as it is a gender identity issue. I've actually been really curious about this because their seems to a large number of people with a interest in broaching gender conformity which is awesome but I get frustrated sometimes with this. I've had a couple people talk with me and it becomes apparent that what they're looking for is a girl or boy to cross dress. I mean I can understand the kink but like if I look at myself, born genetically male yet see myself as female, theirs no special sexual thrill from going out dressed female or from wearing thongs or stalkings, it's just who I am..... now I also do drag king shows though and their IS a thrill in that.

So I guess that's a bit of a gender fuck, a MTF dragking.