Clueless Guys Can't Read Women

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Clueless Guys Can't Read Women
Jeanna Bryner
LiveScience Staff Writer

More often than not, guys interpret even friendly cues, such as a subtle smile from a gal, as a sexual come-on, and a new study discovers why: Guys are clueless.

More precisely, they are somewhat oblivious to the emotional subtleties of non-verbal cues, according to a new study of college students.

"Young men just find it difficult to tell the difference between women who are being friendly and women who are interested in something more," said lead researcher Coreen Farris of Indiana University's Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences.

This "lost in translation" phenomenon plays out in the real world, with about 70 percent of college women reporting an experience in which a guy mistook her friendliness for a sexual come-on, Farris said.

Some might think the results come down to "boys being boys," and so even the slightest female interest sparks sexual fantasy. But the study, to be detailed in the April issue of the journal Psychological Science, also found that it goes both ways for guys - they mistake females' sexual signals as friendly ones. The researchers suggest guys have trouble noticing and interpreting the subtleties of non-verbal cues, in either direction.

The study's funding came from the National Institutes of Mental Health and the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism.

Flirting or not?

To unravel it all, Farris and her colleagues examined non-verbal communication in a group of 280 undergraduates, both men and women with an average age of 20 years old.

The students viewed images of women on a computer screen and had to categorize each as friendly, sexually interested, sad or rejecting. Each student reported on 280 photographs, which had been sorted previously into one of the categories based on surveys completed by different groups of students.

Overall, women categorized more images correctly than men did. When it came to friendly gestures, men were more likely than women to interpret these to mean sexual interest.

More surprising, the researchers found guys were also confused by sexual cues. When images of gals meant to show allure flashed onto the screen, male students mistook the allure as amicable signals.

So ladies trying to brush off a guy at work or the gym may need to be, uh, more direct. Men in the study also had more trouble than women distinguishing between sadness and rejection.

Programmed for sex

The results help to tease out the underlying causes of guys' flirt-or-not mistakes. One common explanation for reports of men taking a friendly gesture as "she wants me," is based on men's inherent interest in sex, which is thought to result from their biology as well as their upbringing.

Following this idea, men and women would be aware of the same behavioral cues, but men would have a lower threshold for what qualifies as sexual interest. In contrast, women would wait for compelling evidence before labeling a behavior as sexual interest.

However, Farris and her colleagues didn't find this to be the case. Rather than seeing the world through sex-colored glasses, men seemed just to have blurry vision of sorts, overall. For instance, the college guys sometimes mistook sexual advances as pal-like gestures.

"I would say that there are many factors that could relate to men demonstrating insensitivity to women's subtle non-verbal cues," said Pamela McAuslan, associate professor of psychology at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, who was not involved in the current study. These factors would include socialization, gender roles and gender stereotypes, she said.

For instance, "women are supposed to be the communicators, concerned with relationships and others ... men are supposed to be less concerned with communication and to be constantly alert for sexual opportunities," McAuslan said. "This could mean that men in general may be less sensitive to subtle non-verbal behavior than women."

That doesn't mean such men can't learn to read cues or that all men are clueless decoders of women's gestures.

"These are average differences. Some men are very skilled at reading affective cues," Farris told LiveScience, "and some women find the task challenging."



Women could stand to be more direct with men, ala Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus, and men could be less presumptive about sex. I did find "the task challenging" with one young man many years ago. I could not read him at all. Could not tell if he was interested in me or not. I flirted to let him know I was interested and he looked blankly at me. When I was about to give up, he shyly stuck out his hand and grabbed mine. You could have pushed me over with a feather I was so shocked. It was nice for awhile but didn't last. I prefer aggressive males, but did not know that at the time.
 
All women should be forced by law to wear traffic lights.

Red - No thanks.
Amber - Maybe.
Green - Go right ahead.

It would be far less confusing :D
 
This non-verbal communication issue goes way beyond sexual cues. I believe it is two-fold: (1) innate intuitiveness, and (2) trusting that intuition. It would seem that women are more intuitive than men AND more trusting of their intuition. Of course, there are always exceptions.
 
I have no idea when a woman is being friendly or coming on to me unless she actually touches me in a sexual manner or says she wants me as blatantly as saying "I want you." That's the only reason I got laid that last time. She touched me sexually and said, "I want you."
 
I prayed about this since 1962 when I was 13, and consulted wise astrologers, too. But the solution to the mystery is obvious to any man.

Women dont generally smile unless they want something. So a smile or small courtesy is a clue theyre on the prowl for prey of some kind. Even a spontaneous kiss from a woman is like a boxer touching gloves. Its the peck before the punch.

Now, your average guy immediately tallies his assets, to get a better idea of what she wants. His pockets contain lint and maybe a stick of gum, he drives a 1978 Plymouth Volare; he lives with his mom. By this process of elimination the answer can only be one thing: His 4 inch pee shooter!
 
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JBJ,

Women don't generally smile unless they want something. Hmmm... I guess you are more short sighted than the 20year olds in the study.

I smile for as many reasons as you do and sometimes, it is because I need assistance, like directions, or gas.

I smile in the face of adversity and all I can get from that is a little peace.

Was your mother unusually cold to you as a child? You seem to think so little of women in general.
 
Man Smart, Woman Smarter - Grateful Dead

Let us put men and women together, see which one is smarter,
Some say men, but I say no, women got the men like a puppet show.

It ain't me it's the people that say, men are leading women astray,
I say, it's the women today, smarter than the men in every way,
That's right the women are smarter, the women are smarter that's right.

Little boy sitting in the corner and cry, big man come and ask him why,
He said "I can't do what the big boys do", the man sat down and he cried too.

It ain't me it's the people that say, men are leading women astray,
I say, it's the women today, smarter than the men in every way.
That's right the women are smarter, the women are smarter that's right

Ever since the world began women been imitating the ways of men,
But listen cause I've got a plan, give it up just don't try to understand.

It ain't me it's the people that say, men are leading women astray,
I say, it's the women today, smarter than the men in every way.
That's right the women are smarter, the women are smarter that's right.


:D
 
Man Smart, Woman Smarter - Grateful Dead

Let us put men and women together, see which one is smarter,
Some say men, but I say no, women got the men like a puppet show.

It ain't me it's the people that say, men are leading women astray,
I say, it's the women today, smarter than the men in every way,
That's right the women are smarter, the women are smarter that's right.

Little boy sitting in the corner and cry, big man come and ask him why,
He said "I can't do what the big boys do", the man sat down and he cried too.

It ain't me it's the people that say, men are leading women astray,
I say, it's the women today, smarter than the men in every way.
That's right the women are smarter, the women are smarter that's right

Ever since the world began women been imitating the ways of men,
But listen cause I've got a plan, give it up just don't try to understand.

It ain't me it's the people that say, men are leading women astray,
I say, it's the women today, smarter than the men in every way.
That's right the women are smarter, the women are smarter that's right.


:D


Harry Belefonte's was racier. ;)
 
From face value this becomes a war of sexes and who is essentially "right and wrong".

Breaking this down psychologically from the root of the issue we can delve deeper into what this mechanism of "signals" serves. A signal is a non-verbal cue for a woman to subtly initiate an intimate encounter with a man. Now, whether or not a man sees this or a woman dilberately means this is another story. But let's look from the beginning.

From a female perspective, if you flirt and don't follow through you're a manipulative cock-tease. If you follow through completely and rock the guys world while getting yours, then you're a slut. Most conflicted women will want a man to make the first move to avoid this issue- but if he doesn't move fast enough and she's quite ready for him to, she'll "nudge" him. The cue is more instinctive, looking at humanity as an animal, we know that many species have certain courtship rituals and practices which are basically intricate ways of saying "Open for business". Human's are similar and we percieve, as well as send, these cues subconsciously. So basically, you don't know until you know- but by then it's probably too late or doesn't matter.

Over to a male's perspective, considering this is in the younger years, the idea of 'signals' and 'cues' become so prevalent that it's almost an anxiety for us. Confidence comes with experience and when you have none, it's either hit or miss and moving forward. Women act as a moral compass in the younger years, they gauge the progession of intimacy and whether it be a submissive man asking for permission, or an assertive guy sporting a black eye, we find that they do have the most say in keeping the male libido in check- or at least that's how it would seem (there are always exceptions obviously). But the point I'm trying to make is that most guys will wait or "hit and miss" until the female tells them it's okay to cope a feel or whatever.

So the man is waiting for the woman to grant him the privlege, the woman is trying to "not-tell" him with cues, he doesn't get it, he gets frustrated because she's upset that he won't touch her yet he wants to and it seems like she wants him to but when he asks what her problem is she says "it's nothing"- so why the hell isn't anything happening- but then again the guy can't read the signals- but then again the woman can't get over her issues to just ask- but then again if he wasn't so horny all the time- well then women get horny too- why is it when a guy sleeps around he's a man, when a woman does it she's a slut- ARGHHH-

.........We are not animals, ladies and gentlmen.

Hands down, the key to avoiding this issue completely is communication and having enough trust in your potential-partner as well as self-confidence in yourself to not fear judgement or rejection should you want to take your relationship to the next level. Part of being in love or even in a relationship is putting yourself out there with the idea that your partner will accept that aspect of you and handle that with care, empathy, and love. Same goes with approaching a chick. And if they don't go for you, then logically speaking, the reasons and variables for their decisions aren't due to you personally but their own limitations or preferences which were there LONG before you ever came into their life. So what do you have to lose?

Just TALK people. Therapists and doctors get paid by the hour for you to talk to them so they can talk to you. This whole notion of signals just feeds into their whole schtick so they can make something you see as so linear seem so multifaceted and scary so that they can dig deeper. Is love multifaceted, of course- that's what makes it so wonderful- but it should never be daunting or scary. Take a risk, you may be surprised at what you can accomplish.
 
And you claim to be nineteen? Well done, that (young) man!

I found that once I was married I had all the confidence in the world about starting up a conversation with a woman. Before that, well I won't say that she put a leash on me and gently took me home but figuratively that's what happened. I think it had something to do with how well I learned to give a massage . . .
 
Are you saying all women are ninjas? No wonder my love life is so dead. Killed by ninja women...
I'm saying that unless they actually are card carrying ninjas, they should knock off the subtlety.

And if they are card carrying ninjas, they should wear those hot, black jumpsuits.

That is all.
 
I'm saying that unless they actually are card carrying ninjas, they should knock off the subtlety.

And if they are card carrying ninjas, they should wear those hot, black jumpsuits.

That is all.

Yeah, more ninja women in hot, black jumpsuits! Yowza!
 
That's it! Its my mom's fault.

How about 5 sisters who smacked my nuts with their batons? Batons are lethal weapons.
 
It's kind of funny reading this.

I do not pick up on hints of any kind. I just don't pick up on them for whatever reason.

It's caused me some headaches but I also let it be known I don't pick up on hints so those who deal with me know this and work with it.


Cat
 
It's kind of funny reading this.

I do not pick up on hints of any kind. I just don't pick up on them for whatever reason.

It's caused me some headaches but I also let it be known I don't pick up on hints so those who deal with me know this and work with it.


Cat

Your wife is a lucky woman, Cat.

:rose:
 
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