Is Obama done?

[mellowgyrl]

What ignorant? Daffy Duck IS black and Donald Duck IS white. So is Super Duck.

Whatever man.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'd suggest to my American friends that in the current climate you'd be better off scrapping all three and appointing someone with very strong economic credentials who isn't afraid to clean out all the useless hucksters in Wall Street that have managed to gamble away all your pensions.

And if you're lucky enough to find two people with these credentials can you please ship the second over the Atlantic to get rid of idiot Bruun and his cronies

Instead of Donald or Daffy, maybe Scrooge McDuck, with his fiscally conservative history and his abhorrence of waste.

Or, maybe Gladstone Gander, who might luck into doing the right things.

 

[Boxlicker101]

No, but Obama's speech did. The part about everyone having someone in their family that have said things that make them cringe, yet they refuse to disown them is QFT, at least from my perspective.

I have a lot of respect for McCain, for his service to this country in so many ways, but I don't see him as a fit president. He's older than Reagan was when elected in 1980, and senility seems to be starting to set in. He's forgetting things, having to be corrected by others, etc.

We can't afford to go through another presidency with a vacant mind in the oval office being puppeted by "advisors".

And you can't say Obama will be the same because of his "inexperience". He will have people giving him advice of course, but he strikes me as someone who in the end will make the right decisions, I have faith in Obama trusting his instincts.

There is a difference between a relative, such as Obama's grandmother, and the pastor at the church he attends. You can't disown your grandmother, but you can stop attending a particular church if if you find the message to be repugnant, as he should have.

 

[JagFarlane]

And ironically, no one has given much media attention to John Hagee, the preacher John McCain came to for an endorsement...

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003728364&imw=Y




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H....22the_judgment_of_God_against_New_Orleans.22



It's funny how white voters aren't in nearly as huge an uproar about Hagee...

Its funny...how much we try to talk about killing the concept of racism...and yet in the end, are highly racist people ourselves. Who cares if our president is black, white, hispanic, asian, or blue? Woman or man? Really...shouldn't we just choose the right person and not vote based upon color or sex??

 

[AngeloMichael]

There is a difference between a relative, such as Obama's grandmother, and the pastor at the church hw attends. You can't disown your grandmother, but you can stop attending a particular church if if you find the message to be repugnant, as he should have.

There is no difference if you regard that pastor as someone as close to you as a member of your family. It's not blood that counts, it's what that person meant to you your entire life. You can love somebody and still be appalled by some of the things they do or say.

 

[AngeloMichael]

Its funny...how much we try to talk about killing the concept of racism...and yet in the end, are highly racist people ourselves. Who cares if our president is black, white, hispanic, asian, or blue? Woman or man? Really...shouldn't we just choose the right person and not vote based upon color or sex??

That is the ideal, yes. But there are still many issues running deep that cause people not to think that way.

For me, race is not the issue. I genuinely like Obama, which is the first candidate I want to vote for in a long time I've felt that way about.

In 2000, I hated Bush, didn't think much of Gore (though I think a lot better of him now) and even though I didn't particular care for most of his politics I at least respected Nader, (though I think a lot worse of him now) so I voted for Nader.

In 2004, voting for Kerry was a hard, hard pill to swallow, but it was "Anybody but Bush" that year.

 

[Belegon]

Jenny, you're getting as bad as Carny. Please back off your own extremism for the sake of your own credibility.


I think the point about hitting Obama with their best shot too early is absolutely valid. And I also agree about the speech being a remarkable response to the kind of underhanded politics of distraction that have characterized American politics for far too long...

I think Obama will be the nominee and I think that McCain may actually follow him to the high road. Did anyone actually notice that McCain's direct response to these accusations was solid and direct? I don't have the exact quote, but he basically said that he knows Obama and that Barack is not that kind of person.

A definitive statement that says something positive about an opponent??? From a Republican??? Wow.

Comparatively, when faced in Ohio with the utter nonsense about the rumors about Barack being muslim, the best Clinton could say was "Not as far as I know". Yet now, they are all over pointing out how Obama has gone to that church for twenty years. Do you think they didn't know that before? Oh, please....

for me, the net result is a gain in respect for McCain and a loss of one for Hilary. As for Barack Obama, I have made no effort to hide that he is my chosen candidate.

 

[Pure]

i agree belegon,

the strategy

obama= wright; wright=farrakhan; farrakhan= the devil

is going to sound very stale by november. only the true racists will be screaming it, the amicus's and rush's.

indeed, the mouthings of racists may embarrass the middle so much---after the headlines in UK are noted ['Obama called 'jungle b*nny' by top Republican']-- that they vote Obama, to show America is not 1920s Mississippi.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Middle America doesn't note UK headlines, though. Nothing important exists outside of the US-- except for the Chinese goods factories and the Indian help desks.

 

[sr71plt]

Is Obama done? Obviously not. He just now picked up Richardson's endorsement, which is a huge boost. Richardson is probably the most believable alternative to either Obama or Clinton (in the eyes of party strategists) and thus swings a lot of clout in his own right. But beyond that, he's the highest-ranking Hispanic in sight, and it's probably a greater victory to grasp Hispanic vote from Clinton than it was to pull the black vote from her traditional base.

I find the prognostication here of the demise of the Democrats over struggling between Obama and Clinton amusing and so terribly naive. Clinton and Obama are both savvy party people. When the dust settles, they will both be in there swinging to get out the Democratic vote for whoever the nominee is--and as I saw demonstrated on CNN recently, the Democratic voters who have been going to the primaries have swamped the numbers of Republican voters going there in every single state primary/caucus.

I won't be so naive as to be making predictions now on what will happen in November--as others here seem to like to do--because almost anything can happen in American politics--and usually does. But to say from what is going on now that the Democrats are already defeated in November is laughable.

(And I'm not saying that from a partisan position--I think all three still in the race as of now are just fine.)

 

[Boxlicker101]

There is no difference if you regard that pastor as someone as close to you as a member of your family. It's not blood that counts, it's what that person meant to you your entire life. You can love somebody and still be appalled by some of the things they do or say.

There is a big difference. Family is family, and you are stuck with them, whatever they say or do. However, there are hundreds of churches that one can attend and, if you don't like the message of one, don't go there.

If one person says he loves and admires David Duke, and has a close, 20 year relationship with him, what does that say about that person? If Sen. Obama says he loves and admires a racist hate-monger such as Rev. Wight, what does that say about the senator.

Admittedly, David Duke is worse than Rev. Wright, but the principle is the same.

 

[mcfbridge]

Is Obama done? Obviously not. He just now picked up Richardson's endorsement, which is a huge boost. Richardson is probably the most believable alternative to either Obama or Clinton (in the eyes of party strategists) and thus swings a lot of clout in his own right. But beyond that, he's the highest-ranking Hispanic in sight, and it's probably a greater victory to grasp Hispanic vote from Clinton than it was to pull the black vote from her traditional base.

I find the prognostication here of the demise of the Democrats over struggling between Obama and Clinton amusing and so terribly naive. Clinton and Obama are both savvy party people. When the dust settles, they will both be in there swinging to get out the Democratic vote for whoever the nominee is--and as I saw demonstrated on CNN recently, the Democratic voters who have been going to the primaries have swamped the numbers of Republican voters going there in every single state primary/caucus.

I won't be so naive as to be making predictions now on what will happen in November--as others here seem to like to do--because almost anything can happen in American politics--and usually does. But to say from what is going on now that the Democrats are already defeated in November is laughable.

(And I'm not saying that from a partisan position--I think all three still in the race as of now are just fine.)

I admit, this brings up another question. The claim that Richardson's endorsement is a huge coup. Do endorsements really matter? Does the fact that someone else has endorsed a candidate have any affect on who you vote for?

 

[Stella_Omega]

There is a big difference. Family is family, and you are stuck with them, whatever they say or do. However, there are hundreds of churches that one can attend and, if you don't like the message of one, don't go there.

If one person says he loves and admires David Duke, and has a close, 20 year relationship with him, what does that say about that person? If Sen. Obama says he loves and admires a racist hate-monger such as Rev. Wight, what does that say about the senator.

Admittedly, David Duke is worse than Rev. Wright, but the principle is the same.

Sen Obama says he loves and admires his white Grandmother, too, what does that say about him?

Sen Obama makes the very important point that is seemingly impossible to get across to our citizenry, who have been raised on half-hour sitcoms; there is more to any person than the sum of only ONE of his friendships.

 

[DesertPirate]

I'll make this short -



Need I say more?

Talk about stealing quotes

Who he took that one from ought have the left frothing at the mouth in outrage

 

[sr71plt]

I admit, this brings up another question. The claim that Richardson's endorsement is a huge coup. Do endorsements really matter? Does the fact that someone else has endorsed a candidate have any affect on who you vote for?

In the United States? Of course--probably unfortunately. Look at Oprah and book sales (and almost anything else--although she got a bit of a backlash when she tried it on Obama, politics being outside her usual gig).

 

[mellowgyrl]

Sen Obama makes the very important point that is seemingly impossible to get across to our citizenry, who have been raised on half-hour sitcoms; there is more to any person than the sum of only ONE of his friendships.

I agree totally! I think everybody has that one shady friend they're not the proudest of but that one friendship doesn't define who you are as a person.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Sen Obama says he loves and admires his white Grandmother, too, what does that say about him?

Sen Obama makes the very important point that is seemingly impossible to get across to our citizenry, who have been raised on half-hour sitcoms; there is more to any person than the sum of only ONE of his friendships.

Nobody will hold it against a candidate because he loves his or her grandparents. Like many women her age, I suppose she says things without thinking about how they will sound. My mother, who died at the age of 89 was like that, but she was also a very sweet and beloved lady.

Most people realize that Wright is only one of Obams's associates, but he also describes the reverend as a spiritual advisor or mentor, which makes him much more than just a pal. If the hypothetical person I mentioned before were to refer to David Duke in such a manner, what would that tend to tell you about the hypothetical person?

 

[Belegon]

There is a big difference. Family is family, and you are stuck with them, whatever they say or do. However, there are hundreds of churches that one can attend and, if you don't like the message of one, don't go there.

If one person says he loves and admires David Duke, and has a close, 20 year relationship with him, what does that say about that person? If Sen. Obama says he loves and admires a racist hate-monger such as Rev. Wight, what does that say about the senator.

Admittedly, David Duke is worse than Rev. Wright, but the principle is the same.

The key problem with this statement is that a church is a community and the pastor is only one part of that community.

He wouldn't JUST be leaving the pastor, but all the friends and relationships he, his wife and his children have made there.

And the LAST thing I want is another President who turns his back on his friends when they disagree with him. We have one of those now, thanks.

 

[Stella_Omega]

there is more to any person than the sum of only ONE of his friendships.;

The key problem with this statement is that a church is a community and the pastor is only one part of that community.

He wouldn't JUST be leaving the pastor, but all the friends and relationships he, his wife and his children have made there.

And the LAST thing I want is another President who turns his back on his friends when they disagree with him. We have one of those now, thanks.

Our current president makes brown-nosing THE primary requirement for his friends.

Nobody will hold it against a candidate because he loves his or her grandparents. Like many women her age, I suppose she says things without thinking about how they will sound. My mother, who died at the age of 89 was like that, but she was also a very sweet and beloved lady.

Most people realize that Wright is only one of Obams's associates, but he also describes the reverend as a spiritual advisor or mentor, which makes him much more than just a pal. If the hypothetical person I mentioned before were to refer to David Duke in such a manner, what would that tend to tell you about the hypothetical person?

I'd be worried. David Duke not only advocates violence, he practices it. He is the leader of a group that is all about hatred. They have no other agenda.

Why is it that you use such extremes in your comparisons?

 

[Boxlicker101]

there is more to any person than the sum of only ONE of his friendships.;Our current president makes brown-nosing THE primary requirement for his friends.

I'd be worried. David Duke not only advocates violence, he practices it. He is the leader of a group that is all about hatred. They have no other agenda.

Why is it that you use such extremes in your comparisons?

I describe Duke and Wright as racist hate-mongers, but I describe Duke as much worse. I don't know that Wright practices or advocates viloence or not, but he certainly doesn't condemn those who do - such as the 9-11 hijackers or those who supported them.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I'd suggest to my American friends that in the current climate you'd be better off scrapping all three and appointing someone with very strong economic credentials who isn't afraid to clean out all the useless hucksters in Wall Street that have managed to gamble away all your pensions.

Well...we HAD Eliot Spitzer, but...uhhh...errrr...

Instead of Donald or Daffy, maybe Scrooge McDuck, with his fiscally conservative history and his abhorrence of waste.

Or, maybe Gladstone Gander, who might luck into doing the right things.

What about Queer Duck? See, everybody FORGETS about him when it's CONVENIENT!

http://www.popmatters.com/images/dvd_art/q/queer-duck-the-movie-2006.jpg

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yanno, Box...

My experience with pussy-eating... I'm most successful when I concentrate on some very particular points, some of them rather small. An obsessions with details is a plus.

But I want to attend to the rest of the woman as well.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Yanno, Box...

My experience with pussy-eating... I'm most successful when I concentrate on some very particular points, some of them rather small. An obsessions with details is a plus.

But I want to attend to the rest of the woman as well.

That's correct. When eating a pussy, it's best to concentrate on her pussy. You can reach up with your hands to fondle her nipples or stick your finger in her ass (with her permission) or you can caress her sides, but you have to keep your tongue active on her pussy, to build up her arousal. I mean, if you remove your mouth and kiss her knee or something, she might just get pissed off.

By the way, this might be the most extreme and abrupt threadjacks in the history of AH.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

Well...we HAD Eliot Spitzer, but...uhhh...errrr...

Yeah, funny how quick they got rid of him wasn't it....

 

[Stella_Omega]

That's correct. When eating a pussy, it's best to concentrate on her pussy. You can reach up with your hands to fondle her nipples or stick your finger in her ass (with her permission) or you can caress her sides, but you have to keep your tongue active on her pussy, to build up her arousal. I mean, if you remove your mouth and kiss her knee or something, she might just get pissed off.

By the way, this might be the most extreme and abrupt threadjacks in the history of AH.

Well, what I'm suggesting is that skill of yours might not be so useful in other areas. Like, you're over-trained, or something. Maybe.