Is this a fair description of the goals of the left?

amicus

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Politics, 2008

Let us boil this thing down to essentials if we may.

The left, the democrats, represented by Obama and Clinton, have similar world views and political intentions.

Basically it is an 'isolationist' agenda, not unknown in American political history.

The left wants the United States to assume a more passive position internationally by withdrawing influence from the middle east and other parts of the world.

That translates to removing military presences from Iraq and Afghanistan, but it does not end there. The left wants to withdraw from NATO and SEATO participation which now entails US military presence in Europe, Korea, the Philippines, basically a drawdown and a drawback from super power status in military might around the globe. Fair enough?

As with every other democratic administration, this translates also to cutting military expenditures at home, reducing the size and scope of not just the armed forces but also the information apparatus, the CIA and all other intelligence and information services that provide knowledge about world events. Fair enough?

Domestically and Economically, the left wishes to assume an 'isolationist', anti trade, high tariff position once again, to protect union labor from competition and retain corporate and industrial employment within the US. Fair enough?

Domestically, the left wishes high taxes on business and corporations in all fields of endeavor from agribusiness to energy production and non union business concerns such as Walmart and other retail entities. Fair enough?

The left also, as a humanitarian gesture, wishes to grant amnesty to millions of immigrants who are currently in the US without legal documentation and leave the gates open for more to come. They do this to bolster union labor and the democrat party to whom the Hispanics have shown allegiance. Fair enough?

The left also wishes to Nationalize, Health Care Services from top to bottom, guaranteeing every American the 'right' to adequate medical care. Fair enough?

They also wish to institute educational opportunities from preschool through college in return for national service in such agencies as the Peace Corps and National Service in one way or another. Fair enough?

There is much more of course, including Supreme Court appointments that will continue legal abortion, assault the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, in other words, a politically active supreme court; let us also mention the Gay Rights brigade and the affirmative action, quota mentality of enforcing equality through legislation. Fair enough?

By, 'fair enough'. I mean as a broad interpretation of the over all goals of the left wing, and I think that is a fair, though incomplete listing of the desires of the left. Okay?

The problem with this forum and the left in general is that you are all true believers that these issues are the 'right and proper' functions of government and admirable desires.

What you cannot get into your mindset is that many, if not most Americans are aghast at most of the agenda as they see it for what it is, an attempt to Balkanize, Socialize, an independent nation based on individual rights and liberties.

Perhaps in another post I will outline the inevitable results if the above policies are put into place in the United States, but I would prefer if another somewhat conservative poster would make an independent effort to do so.

Amicus...
 
I must confess I didn't read much of this, and won't be commenting, but it's nice to see you posting again.

A welcome back :kiss: from the good little witch.
 
I must confess I didn't read much of this, and won't be commenting, but it's nice to see you posting again.

A welcome back :kiss: from the good little witch.

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Thank ya, good lil witch, again, so nice of you to do what you have done...nice to be all feisty again on the forum...thank you..

ami...
 
Many of your assumptions are "fair enough" in part. None of them are "fair enough" in total. And when you ascribe your imagined reasons to your assumptions, no-- not in any wise "fair enough."

But we've discussed every one of these assertions of yours, in one thread or another. None of this is new. Why should anyone bother with your bullshit this time?
 
Many of your assumptions are "fair enough" in part. None of them are "fair enough" in total. And when you ascribe your imagined reasons to your assumptions, no-- not in any wise "fair enough."

But we've discussed every one of these assertions of yours, in one thread or another. None of this is new. Why should anyone bother with your bullshit this time?

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Well since you have not the intellectual equipment required for discussion on any level other than your personal beliefs, you should not even attempt it.

Amicus...
 
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Well since you have not the intellectual equipment required for discussion on any level other than your personal beliefs, you should not even attempt it.

Amicus...
poor little lonely howler monkey...
 
First, there's not enough of a coalesced "left" to ascribe any sweeping generalizations to "left" goals (just like there isn't one for "right"). And, second, no, those are simplistic goals that only someone from the "right" could ascribe to someone from the "left." What I read--and I didn't read them all, because they obviously were boogy man setups--seemed more of a position of isolationists, who usually have come from the "right" of the political spectrum, not the "left." The "left" position has typically been internationalist in perspective.
 
of course, sr71, you would not want to ascribe to that agenda...far too revealing...but...in general...quite accurate...which is why Stella is howling..


ami...
 
of course, sr71, you would not want to ascribe to that agenda...far too revealing...but...in general...quite accurate...which is why Stella is howling..


ami...


So, it was sort of a rhetorical question then? You set up an exagerated, ugly-light argument for the "other" side so you can pretend to have a discussion over it? Didn't your recent wake-up health call tell you that life is too short for this manufactured anger shit? Why not kick back and enjoy the good parts of life rather than blowing a gasket over all of this naive, sour, dogmatic crap? What a time and effort waster.
 
Chuckles...guess I will never learn, you folks won't fess up to having any agenda at all....shudda known...

;)

ami...
 
Chuckles...guess I will never learn, you folks won't fess up to having any agenda at all....shudda known...

;)

ami...

Oh, ami. I never said I didn't have an agenda. I very much do. I just don't delude myself that it's shared by everyone in my party. That's just stup...

Oh, sorry. :eek:
 
Chuckles...guess I will never learn, you folks won't fess up to having any agenda at all....shudda known...

;)

ami...

I addressed that. There isn't one skin that leftists fit in--any more than there is of rightists. So, no set of "goals" for any side. At least none that the other side doesn't set up unfairly as a target. As you have here.
 
I addressed that. There isn't one skin that leftists fit in--any more than there is of rightists. So, no set of "goals" for any side. At least none that the other side doesn't set up unfairly as a target. As you have here.

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Utter bullshit sr71, and you know it, I wonder how you expect that to fly anywhere without ridicule.

I invite you to peruse the Democratic National Party when they formulate their party platform. I will put a crisp $1,000 bill on the table if every issue I mentioned is not included.

So that 'skin' you profess doesn't exist, most certainly does, you are just ashamed to wear it.

Amicus....
 
I addressed that. There isn't one skin that leftists fit in--any more than there is of rightists. So, no set of "goals" for any side. At least none that the other side doesn't set up unfairly as a target. As you have here.

Which leaves us with MiAmico protesting about the left bogeymen without defining any sort of platform for the right. Now where have I heard that before?
 
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Utter bullshit sr71, and you know it, I wonder how you expect that to fly anywhere without ridicule.

I invite you to peruse the Democratic National Party when they formulate their party platform. I will put a crisp $1,000 bill on the table if every issue I mentioned is not included.

So that 'skin' you profess doesn't exist, most certainly does, you are just ashamed to wear it.

Amicus....


In your usual simplistic and dogmatic blindfolds-on approach you equate the Democratic Party with leftism. lol. Come to Virginia and try that connection with our local Democrats. :D

(And aren't you being just a tad too naive and too much a simpleton to think a formal party platform is used for much of anything meaningful?)

Again, I'd think right about now you would be taking (or at least trying to take) a different approach to life other than manufacturing all this rot and coaxing it to rise inside you and spew out.

Life's too precious to pay much attention to all this crap from you.
 
If you have a $1000 bill, better hang on to it. Should be a collectors item.
 
If you have a $1000 bill, better hang on to it. Should be a collectors item.


But worth significantly less the longer you hold on to it--at least until the Bush adminstration is kicked out of office come next January. :)
 
Which leaves us with MiAmico protesting about the left bogeymen without defining any sort of platform for the right. Now where have I heard that before?

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Thanks for the welcome back Gauche, I know you missed me, must have been terrifically boring kissing each others asses without me around to provide the talcum?

heh?

Ami...
 
My goals are world peace, a comfortable middle class standard of living for every human on the planet, and full political rights and empowerment for every person.

I would also like to see all the puppies have loving families too, but I'd settle for just the first three.
 
My goals are world peace, a comfortable middle class standard of living for every human on the planet, and full political rights and empowerment for every person.

I would also like to see all the puppies have loving families too, but I'd settle for just the first three.


So, Rox is a leftist, right, Amicus?

There may come a time when you'll have to be happy to settle for the one loving family for one puppy, Rox. But it will probably be a leftist family.
 
So, Rox is a leftist, right, Amicus?

There may come a time when you'll have to be happy to settle for the one loving family for one puppy, Rox. But it will probably be a leftist family.

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No, Rox is pretending to be Miss Congeniality, what with world peace and the blah inspiration of middle class life and a wet puppy.

Tongue in cheek (god I hope so!)

ahem...

amicus...
 
Most of it seems pretty accurate, some of it not-so-much. I think, actually, that describing the left as "isolationist" is off; rather, I think they want to be very much globalist, but not regarding this--very politically diseased--war. I think politics gives us a convenient whipping boy in the War, and that's why we have the call for it to end from the leaders of the Left (to a great extent).

I think non-interventionism is reserved for some very old school conservative Republicans, and isolationism is more or less off the table for all but the most extreme pundits.
 
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