I am struggling with this..

[keeblercrumb]

I have before but it still just bugs the crap outa me.....

The crap we do under the vaque justification of family values and child abuse....

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/19/teacher.sex.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
Teacher gets 6 years for sex with teens
LAURENS, South Carolina (AP) -- A former middle school teacher was sent to prison for six years Tuesday for having sexual encounters with five teenage boys.
Former middle school teacher Allena Ward pleaded guilty to having sex with teen-aged boys.

Authorities said Allenna Ward, 24, met 14- and 15-year-old boys at the school where she taught as well as at a motel, a park and behind a restaurant.

"I apologize from the depths of my heart," Ward said in court.

Police began investigating last year after school officials found a note believed to have been written by Ward to one of the boys. Some of the victims were students at Bell Street Middle School in Clinton, where Ward taught. She was fired about a year ago.

Ward pleaded guilty in September to three counts of second-degree criminal sexual conduct with a minor and three lewd acts on a minor.

Forensic psychiatrist Donna Schwartz-Watts said Ward is not a pedophile, but rather a childlike victim suffering from personality disorders and a repressed childhood. Schwartz-Watts said the minister's daughter lived a sheltered life but really was a "free spirit" who never got a chance to break away from her family.

Prosecutors painted Ward's crimes in a harsher light and said she violated the trust that parents place in teachers.

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Some of the victims' families attended the sentencing but did not speak during the court hearing.

"I just feel like justice has been served," the sister of one victim said after the hearing. "We're just glad that it's all over."

The Associated Press does not normally identify victims of sexual crimes.

Ward's lawyer Donald Hocker cited the psychiatric testimony in asking for home imprisonment for his client. Hocker said Ward will be vulnerable to physical and emotional abuse at the hands of other prisoners.

"It's an awful case with awful consequences, but Allenna Ward is not an awful woman," Hocker said in court. He declined to speak to a reporter after the hearing.

Ward was sentenced to 15 years in prison for each lewd act count, but the punishments were suspended to six years. She also was sentenced to six years on each second-degree criminal sexual conduct count. The sentences are to run concurrently.

Excuse me but this is crap.... WHAT THE HELL KIND OF LASTING "DAMAGE" WAS DONE TO A BUNCH OF HONRY 14-15 Y/O BOYS THAT WOULD JUSTIFY THIS KIND OF SENTENCE.... OR ANY SENTENCE????

Go ahead... ask me why when Presidential candidates start talking about "Family Values" why I get paranoid....

This is bullshit.

-KC

 

[Luke's Angel]

People have bought the fear-mongering and now it's wrecking our judicial system.

 

[Darkniciad]

Now switch it to a male teacher and 14-15 year old girls, and see if you feel any different about the story.

Granted, I don't see boys enduring "lasting damage" from shagging a hot older woman either, but the law simply cannot treat things that way - or shouldn't.

The trust thing is the main thing. You don't expect to send your kid to school for hands-on sex education. What if it was a priest? A cop? A judge? A politician?

If any older authority figure of any sex having consentual sex with a 14-15 year old offends your sensibilities, you can't give another variety a free pass.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I wrote an essay about this topic in the paper.

Teen girls have a greater burden than teen boys. Girls get pregnant. A boy's burden is a potential waste of time of day. It's in the same class of activities like, men shouldnt hit women but men are at no great risk if a woman wallops them.

 

[keeblercrumb]

Now switch it to a male teacher and 14-15 year old girls, and see if you feel any different about the story.

Granted, I don't see boys enduring "lasting damage" from shagging a hot older woman either, but the law simply cannot treat things that way - or shouldn't.

The trust thing is the main thing. You don't expect to send your kid to school for hands-on sex education. What if it was a priest? A cop? A judge? A politician?

If any older authority figure of any sex having consentual sex with a 14-15 year old offends your sensibilities, you can't give another variety a free pass.

The pychiatric damage to ANY teenager from having consensual sex at 14-15 with a 24 y/o anybody..... is, or should be, zilch.

Any women out there have consensual sex at age 14-15? Damaged to the point someone should go to prison for 6 years??? Anybody??????

You concede that in the case of the boys there is no damage... THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH! This is an equality issue?????? How absurd.

What it is.... is a stupid law and it should be immediately repealed... It is patently unfair and unwarranted!

-KC

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

KEEBLER

People want to make it a 14th Amendment argument for equal treatment, but in fact the conventional wisdom always made exceptions with respect to sex.

Restrooms are the most obvious example.

The law tends to ignore same-sex social and business organizations for women while harassing men for doing the same. Mostly because traditional men's clubs have greater esteem than a comparable female assembly.

 

[SensualCealy]

Sex with a minor, concentual or not is still sex with a minor!
Simple as that!
C

 

[Quinn71]

Sex with a minor, concentual or not is still sex with a minor!
Simple as that!
C

And I believe thats also called statutory rape?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Not really.

Our obsession with underage sex is a recent phenomenon. When I was a kid it was lawful to marry when you were 14. Before 1925 the age was something like 10. I have a newspaper article of an 11 year old marrying a man in his 20s. One of my ancestors was 34 when he wed his 15 year old bride.

But prior to the 70s sex with a teen was not a problem. I bounced on the bed with many 15 year old girls when I was 19 and 20.

 

[Darkniciad]

The pychiatric damage to ANY teenager from having consensual sex at 14-15 with a 24 y/o anybody..... is, or should be, zilch.

Any women out there have consensual sex at age 14-15? Damaged to the point someone should go to prison for 6 years??? Anybody??????

You concede that in the case of the boys there is no damage... THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH! This is an equality issue?????? How absurd.

What it is.... is a stupid law and it should be immediately repealed... It is patently unfair and unwarranted!

-KC

Most males simply do not attach as much emotion to sex, especially at that age. Less emotional attachment = less potential for psychological ramifications. Girls also have additional concerns, such as pregnancy, which can add a whole new dimension to the resulting emotional roller-coaster ( even if it doesn't actually happen. "What if" can be more powerful than "What did" )

For the sake of the few males it will screw up, the best thing to do is treat all cases equally.

Sorry, things have changed since the "good old days". Kids aren't forced to grow up at eleven and take on the role of an adult nowadays. They don't have the life experience to build the maturity to make intelligent decisions about something like sex.

Frankly, it sounds like you've culled a teen from the herd, and you're upset that the posse might come after you if you take 'em for a ride.

 

[mellowgyrl]

Not really.
But prior to the 70s sex with a teen was not a problem. I bounced on the bed with many 15 year old girls when I was 19 and 20.

That gets you 3-5 years here in Colorado. I know. My cousin is in prison now for having consensual sex w/his 14 year old girlfriend when he was 18. He can't have contact with anybody under the age of 18 including his 2 year old daughter. In addition when he gets out he must register as a sex offender. All of that for a piece of ass that wanted to give it up.

It's a touchy subject on both sides of the coin. You just have to cover your bases and make sure you don't end up in the same predicament!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

MELLOWGYRL

My point is the current problem with adult-teen sex is of recent origin. I'm surprised ROMEO & JULIET isnt child porn. I'll bet you cant post it on LIT.

I'm not advocating sex with minors; I'm saying attitudes change.

 

[mellowgyrl]

MELLOWGYRL

My point is the current problem with adult-teen sex is of recent origin. I'm surprised ROMEO & JULIET isnt child porn. I'll bet you cant post it on LIT.

I'm not advocating sex with minors; I'm saying attitudes change.

I'm sorry. I wasn't arguing your fact, just giving another example...geesh!

 

[christabelll]

What gets me is this... the woman is having the entire book thrown at her...and it will be strapped to her back until she dies.

MEN- on the other hand - get slaps on the wrists... stern warnings... bad boy dont do that again and rarely if ever get sent to jail for a year let alone 6 -

THERE IS NO EQUALITY IN PUNISHMENT FOR WOMEN
Women through out this country get the heaviest possible reactions from the system and are treated to the harshest sentences that can be devised.
Dont believe me?
Look up the stats for sentencing the same crimes for men versus women.


There is no excuse for molesting a child. NONE.

But lets get real about how its treated - if a man does the molesting - not much happens to them - itsmore like oh man you did/are doing what we wanted to do too bad you got caught...........all those hot little virgin teenyboppers....
But lord help the woman who dares to do the same thing - she has suddenly become the most heinous dispicable person in the entire world and deserves to be held behind bars for as long as she lives....

NO I AM NOT CONDONING IT.... but I am trying to make a point... There is no fair treatment of women in our justice system, a man accused of the same crime would have been given time served, psychological hand holding, and probabtion for 5 years (less if no further offense)...

ARGH - too pissed off and in too much pain to make more sense.

 

[rgraham666]

Sigh.

I'm not sure I'd call what this woman did 'child molestation'. I do regard it as a flagrant abuse of power though.

However, I think the sentence was way over the top. If she'd put a gun to their heads and then castrated them after, then I'd agree with the sentence.

What happened in this case demonstrates that some people have great difficulty separating 'really stupid' from 'outright evil'.

Humans.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

MELLOWGYRL

Take some valium and rest.

I'm the only poster here with an official LIT license to leap off the bridge over nothing.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

That filthy whore should have gotten life inprisonment for wasting her talents on 14 and 15 year olds. She would have gotten a lot more fucking with 17 year olds and up.

As far is right or wrong, that's all bullshit. My own grandmother was married and pregnant when she was 13. That's not the unusual case anywhere today except Western Europe and the United States. The question you should be asking is: What the fuck is wrong with us?

 

[Darkniciad]

Looking through the articles on a google search, most of what I see ( male and female ) is time served, short sentences, or probation. I also see examples of male and female allowed to avoid registration on the sex offender's list by the judge. I see roughly equal numbers of sentences longer than six months, and the record for consentual sex without other factors such as providing alcohol is 45 years, and that's a male.

The national media is oversaturated with hot teachers boinking teenage boys lately. The male teachers tend to only get coverage locally, from what I see. The sentencing looks about the same, though.

What gets me is this... the woman is having the entire book thrown at her...and it will be strapped to her back until she dies.

MEN- on the other hand - get slaps on the wrists... stern warnings... bad boy dont do that again and rarely if ever get sent to jail for a year let alone 6 -

THERE IS NO EQUALITY IN PUNISHMENT FOR WOMEN
Women through out this country get the heaviest possible reactions from the system and are treated to the harshest sentences that can be devised.
Dont believe me?
Look up the stats for sentencing the same crimes for men versus women.


There is no excuse for molesting a child. NONE.

But lets get real about how its treated - if a man does the molesting - not much happens to them - itsmore like oh man you did/are doing what we wanted to do too bad you got caught...........all those hot little virgin teenyboppers....
But lord help the woman who dares to do the same thing - she has suddenly become the most heinous dispicable person in the entire world and deserves to be held behind bars for as long as she lives....

NO I AM NOT CONDONING IT.... but I am trying to make a point... There is no fair treatment of women in our justice system, a man accused of the same crime would have been given time served, psychological hand holding, and probabtion for 5 years (less if no further offense)...

ARGH - too pissed off and in too much pain to make more sense.

 

[christabelll]

Hey Nica ----

I dont know - but the main point is that if a woman does it its she is strung up by her heels...

And its not just "doing teenage boys" that sees an inequality in treatment...

Its a hot point for me. Mainly becuase justice has never been done for my children nor me. But had it been me accused of such a thing My ass would be sitting in prison.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

How many times have we been through this now? The teacher in Seattle, the one in Florida another in the midwest. Now this one.

Every time it happens the crowd crys and screams about child abuse and all that. I'm sorry, but at 14 or 15, they aren't exactly children. Besides, these days if they were screwing their teacher, they'd be screwing [b[YOUR[/b] daughter.

So every 40 year old guy who gets divorced immediately takes up with some 20 year old chippy. And that's alright. But what's the real difference between that and a 24 year old screwing a 15 year old?

If we really did live in the days of "Leave it to Beaver" it would be awful. But we don't. Girls as young as 9 are getting pregnant. Boys as young as 10 are into drugs and alcohol.

Shit! I was no damned angel when I was 12. These kids are worse than I ever thought of being.

Granted, there is a breakdown of trust when a teacher is fucking his/her students. But in reality, isn't that the crime? Not the fact they have abused you children?

 

[Agnol]

It's evil if a 30 year old man has sex with a 14 year old girl for any number of reasons: inability to say no, immaturity - not really understanding, future complications - emotionally stunted or perhaps seeking sex to find love (and some of us know how well that works out), destroyed self esteem, etc.

But just because the 14 year old boy wants to bang his teacher makes it okay or less of a crime? Come on. The boy may not have the pregnancy issue but everything else is just as valid for the boy as it is for the girl.

How would you feel if this teacher was having sex with teenage girls? Arranging rendezvous in the bathrooms on campus for a little after school saphic snack? Does that make a difference? I mean no real chance of pregnancy there, right? So women teachers should be allowed to prey on both sexes in school then.

 

[Darkniciad]

Hey Nica ----

I dont know - but the main point is that if a woman does it its she is strung up by her heels...

And its not just "doing teenage boys" that sees an inequality in treatment...

Its a hot point for me. Mainly becuase justice has never been done for my children nor me. But had it been me accused of such a thing My ass would be sitting in prison.

I'm not denying that there's inequal treatment on any number of fronts ( and that goes both ways. How often does the father get primary custody in a divorce? ) but I see a roughly equal breakdown across the gender barrier for the sentences handed down for consentual sex with minors by a teacher without additional circumstances. Actually, long sentences for men seem to average 20-45 years, while long sentences for women trend toward 5-12 years.

http://www.10news.com/news/3241270/detail.html

A former teacher at La Jolla High School and Muirlands Middle School was sentenced to 180 days in a locked-down work furlough facility for having sex with a 16-year-old student.

Oscar Rodriguez Jr., 30, (pictured, left), got five years' probation and was ordered to resign from his job and forfeit his teaching credential,

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001259.html

Elisa Kawasaki, 25, was sentenced to 180 days in the county jail and 5 years probation after pleading no contest in August to one felony count of unlawful sex with a minor. The judge let Kawasaki off the hook in not forcing her to register as a sex offender.

Elisa Kawasaki, 25, will also have to give up her teaching credential

http://www.ksby.com/Global/story.asp?S=7435132

Today, the judge sentenced her to one year in county jail and five years probation. The judge also did not require her to register as a sex offender.

http://www.knbc.com/news/15297896/detail.html

A former La Jolla Country Day School basketball coach who carried on a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old female student was sentenced Wednesday to 180 days in custody, but won’t be required as a sex offender,

http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspape..._sentenced_sex_with_male_student_26SEP06.aspx

On Tuesday, Walls was sentenced to one year in jail and will also be on probation for five years.

Walls pleaded guilty in July to five of the 16 counts she had originally faced, including multiple counts of unlawful sexual contact and charges of with furnishing alcohol to a minor and giving a controlled substance to a minor.

"During that time, the defendant was an out-of-control coke fiend," Moring said in court in June. "She furnished the victim with cocaine and alcohol."

http://www.examiner.com/a-1168571~F...sentenced_to_35_years_for_sex_with_teens.html

GOSHEN, Ind. (Map, News) - A former fifth-grade teacher who pleaded guilty to sexual misconduct with a minor for having sex with two teenage girls was sentenced to 35 years in prison.

Mel Trowbridge, 45, apologized to the victims and their families before Friday's sentencing, during which a judge ordered Trowbridge to 10 years of probation after his release from prison.

 

[3113]

Granted, there is a breakdown of trust when a teacher is fucking his/her students. But in reality, isn't that the crime? Not the fact they have abused you children?

Well, yes, that is or should be the crime. A rose by any other name?

Look. We've got several weird arguments going on here:

1) Women being "put up by their heels" and men getting away with it--sorry, no. Not if you look at Mellowgyr's post. The truth is that guys who are 18 having sex with girlfriends who are still 17 can end up in prison and on sex offenders lists for the rest of their lives, but girls who are 18 having sex with their 17 year old boyfriends rarely end up in jail or on sex offenders lists or being turned in by the parents for that matter. I'd hardly call that "guys getting away with it." The only difference in this case is that it happens much more rarely that female teachers have sex with their students, and so it gets sensationalized--mainly because the news and viewers find if far more titillating.

2) Why is this lewd conduct rather than teachers and trust? Good point. But either way there is a law against teachers taking advantage of their pupils. This isn't about teaching sex and the kid agrees to it understanding what he's getting into. It's about the teacher getting her own gratification buy using kids that have been put in her care for the day, a position of trust both from the parents and from the kids.

It doesn't matter if the boys "wanted it." A girl with a crush on an older male teacher might want it as well. But authority figures promise more than just casual sex--that's where the line was crossed. The 14 year old girl isn't going to know that nothing is going to come of her affair with the teacher. And neither is the 14 year old boy, who, horny as he is, might have an attachment and feelings for his female teacher. We'll agree all such boys are horny; but I disagree that all such boys are shallow and lacking sensitivity. That's where the psychological "damage" comes in, when they thinks it's going to be more than sex. And that can happen with a boy as well as a girl, especially at age 14.

3) Should 14/15 year old kids be allowed to have sex with "adults" (or anyone for that matter? Well, we've discussed this ad infinitum. First, just because our great-grandmas got married and had kids at age 13 doesn't mean a 13 year old is ready to have sex or be a mother. Most of those 13 years olds didnt' have much of a choice at the time and I rather doubt that the sex was pleasant...or the childbirth--which killed a lot of them. Old men fucking young brides who then pump out baby after baby till they die isn't my idea of progress. So I don't find grandma a valid example of why we should lower the age of sexual consent.

That said, I will happily agree that it would be nice if we got some sense and had a "manhood/womanhood" ritual in place where the kid got taken to the temple prostitute for a lesson in sexual pleasure and birth control. Unfortunately, it ain't ever gonna happen. We might be able to lower the legal age of consent down to 16 (that on a state-by-state basis), but when the birth control being taught in U.S. schools is absence--with no mention at all of the joys of masturbation--you know that what you've got is a religious mandate rather than common sense.

So long as parents have the final say in such matters up till a kid is 18, then the teacher will go to jail. I mean, hey, there's a lot of things I'd like schools to teach all kids with or without their parent's consent--like evolution, like sex education, like sex. But parents have the final say. And if a parent doesn't want his 14/15 year old boy or girl having sex, then the adult who teaches them is going to get in trouble. And it's up to the adult to have more sense than get into that trouble.

This is not about sexual common sense; in the end, it's all about who has what power over the kids. Take power away from the parents like that, give them no say about when/how their kid gets taught sex by an adult, and you get an angry parent.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Well, yes, that is or should be the crime. A rose by any other name?


That said, I will happily agree that it would be nice if we got some sense and had a "manhood/womanhood" ritual in place where the kid got taken to the temple prostitute for a lesson in sexual pleasure and birth control.

You've been reading Heroditus' "Histories", haven't you, 3?

 

[Liar]

Here's another one. 32 year old female teacher facing jail time for having sex with male student.

The student was 18.

Must be more to the story than the article is saying. Or else I don't get it. Unfit for the job? Sure. But jail?

-----

Bentonville teacher accused of having sex with student

Posted: Feb 19, 2008 07:31 PM

BENTONVILLE - A Bentonville High School math teacher is behind bars after being accused of having a sexual relationship with a student.

Bentonville police arrested 32-year-old Melissa Monroe of Bella Vista Tuesday, after an investigation led them to believe Monroe had recently been involved in a sexual relationship with one of her male students.

Bentonville Police Chief James Allen explains, "She had texted another teacher, you know, the thing about, 'I can't believe the mistake I've made,' and 'you won't believe what I've done.'"

Based on text messages Monroe sent to a fellow teacher, Bentonville police say Monroe may have planned the incident. They say she did provide the minor with alcohol during the encounter, which occurred at Monroe's Bella Vista home.

Chief Allen says, "This happened to be on a date back in late January, which, uh, happened to be the boy's 18th birthday."

Bentonville High School Principal Steve Jacoby says he and the faculty were stunned by the news of the teacher-student relationship. "They were shocked. They were disappointed. There were tears, because she was a well-respected faculty member here on campus."

Jacoby says he's never had anything like this happen before. "This is my 38th year, and this is the first incident of this magnitude that I've been involved in."

Allen says situations like this make it hard for other teachers, trying to do their job. "They're playing with, not only their career, but their life, marriages. All that goes out the window when criminal behavior like this takes place. This is just a black eye on all those good teachers who are out there doing their job."

Monroe is facing charges of a Class B Felony for sexual assault, as well as knowingly giving alcohol to a minor, a Class C Misdemeanor. If convicted, she will face from 5 to 20 years in prison.