Who Gets Tossed?

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Dems want the race to end. But who gets the axe? Obama? Hillary?

 

[Boxlicker101]

The Dems want the race to end. But who gets the axe? Obama? Hillary?

Neither one will voluntarily leave and, if one gets tossed, the stink will doom the Dems in November.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Dem leaders are pretty nervous. The talk on the street is Hillary and Obama will go to the convention tied, and Florida is gonna ruin all the fun for everyone as Hillary & Obama slug it out for the Florida delegates.

The Republicans were pissed, too, but limited the punishment to cutting Florida's delegates in half.

But the horse is out of the barn for the Dems. Hillary knows she won, but she gets no delegates. Obama knows he lost, and wants things just the way they are.

The longer it goes on the more pissed blacks and women will get.

I really dont see Hillary or Obama falling on their swords to keep the peace. And Obama cant trust any deal the Clintons offer.

 

[Carnevil9]

Hillary is getting low on cash. Obama is raking it in hand over fist. I think the math is easy to do.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Seems that way.

If I was Obama I'd sleep with one eye open when Hillary's in town.

 

[keeblercrumb]

Hillary is getting low on cash. Obama is raking it in hand over fist. I think the math is easy to do.

Actually..... I think you are right... and not because Obama has more money, per se, (ask Mitt about that plan) but because it represents a momentum.

As a card carrying pinko, wacko, liberal democrat, I think Hillary would represent a major improvement on our current President and Republican condidates...No surprise there.

But I am honestly not looking forward to 8 more years of the rapid and irrational "anti-Clinton" bullshit. For me, that is enough reason to support Obama.

Besides... internationaly (and that is where I currently live and work) Obama would immediately bring credibility, poplularity and respect to America and Americans. It is impossible to talk with anyone anywhere who does not roll their eyes when Bush's name is mentioned.

To really appreciate it, however, you would have to understand the almost unanimous support and affection we enjoyed in the world post 9/11 only to see it utterly and completely squandered in the ensuing years by the Bush war on Iraq and a multitude of other condencending and insulting policies and statements....

In his great, inspriational post 9/11 speech to the world, Bush alluded to "going it alone" if we had to.... and promising you are either "with us or against us".

Most people internationaly took that with a grain of salt and accepted it for the inspriational tone with which it was seemingly intended. But here we are... 6 and a half years later..... and suddently discovering that we are virtually alone and everyone is against us.

I know most Republican and Conservative don't care.. .but think of the money to be made if we were all just friends again...... I knew that would get you!

-KC

 

[keeblercrumb]

But I did not comment on the presumed point of this thread....

I honestly have no idea what they will do.... But my advice to both is to immediately STOP running against each other and begin running against the Republicans now. Let the remaining voters choose on the basis of who proves to be most effective at it......

Probably the best either of them has looked to the public was the obvious (perhaps feigned) affection and respect they held for each other in the last debate. They should both build on that....

If either is asked about the other, they should ONLY say... "Hillary/Barak would make a great President"

But then. they never listen to me....

Sighhhhhhh.

-KC

 

[Boota]

It doesn't matter. I think there are three Democrats in the lead for the Presidency. Clinton, Obama, and McCain.

McCain is more of a traditional Conservative, not one of the evil neo-Cons. As such, even when I disagree with him I still see him as a reasonable man. Liberals and Conservatives aren't really mortal enemies. That's just the delusion of the neo-Cons and the prevailing wisdom of those who don't pay attention.

Clinton seems to be the lock on the Democratic side, and I'm okay with that. I do relate more closely to Obama on the issues, but not by a lot. Who knows if it's possible, but a Clinton/Obama ticket, or vice versa, would be all right with me.

Even if they lose against McCain it won't be as painful. I don't have any major issues with the front runners at this point. I'm still voting Democrat because I like both potential candidates better than any of the Republicans, but at least this year it won't seem like such a dire tragedy if a Republican like McCain, or even Paul somehow, made it to the White House.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It doesn't matter. I think there are three Democrats in the lead for the Presidency. Clinton, Obama, and McCain.

McCain is more of a traditional Conservative, not one of the evil neo-Cons. As such, even when I disagree with him I still see him as a reasonable man. Liberals and Conservatives aren't really mortal enemies. That's just the delusion of the neo-Cons and the prevailing wisdom of those who don't pay attention.

Clinton seems to be the lock on the Democratic side, and I'm okay with that. I do relate more closely to Obama on the issues, but not by a lot. Who knows if it's possible, but a Clinton/Obama ticket, or vice versa, would be all right with me.

Even if they lose against McCain it won't be as painful. I don't have any major issues with the front runners at this point. I'm still voting Democrat because I like both potential candidates better than any of the Republicans, but at least this year it won't seem like such a dire tragedy if a Republican like McCain, or even Paul somehow, made it to the White House.

I am inclined to agree with the last paragraph, but you have skipped Huckleberry. His election would be a dire tragedy.

Asshole was probably the worst AG in history. Huckleberry would appoint somebody worse.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

A couple of things...

First, the idea that Hilary will drop out because she low on cash is just silly. The Clinton machine can raise all the cash it needs. They've already proved that.

Now depending on who you listen too, Obama leads Clinton by 30 or 18 or 5 or 1 dedicated delegate with two states (that Hilary won) from "Super Tuesday" still unreported. Essentally, the race for delegates is a deat heat. Then we add in "Super Delegates" and we have Obama sitting at (the best numbers I've found) 917 and Hilary at 1029. Those number are disputable, of course, but the rage between them is jmost likely about right.

Second, I watched Charlie Rose last night. That was the first interesting talk he's had for a very long time on the conservative side. The conservatives gave a thousand reasons why Hilary should drop out (She tearing the party apart...she represents to "old guard"...her health care plan won't work...she's completely ignorant of foreign affairs...etc.), but the most telling thing was the conservatives WANT an Obama/McCain race. Hilary will just be "swift boating all over again" as if it were the Dems who did that (Republican memories are so short) and dirty politics.

However about 40 minutes into the show it became pretty clear the reason the conservatives want Obama to win the Democratic Nomination is because they already have their hate campaign sitting in the wings... (Too young...Moslem rag-head and so on).

A vote for Obama amounts to a vote for McCain at this point.

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

When I first saw the subject line, "Who Gets Tossed?," I thought this was asking about another thing. LOL. Getting tossed is an expression for a sexual technique.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JENNY

Yep. George Will agrees with you. The Republicans dont want Obama because his race makes him bullet-proof. Theyve collected shit on Hillary for years and years.

But the Dems dont like her, either. She and Bill are like the old Mafia Mustache Petes who got murdered in the 50s. Theyre Old News.