A Question of Incest

[PariahSolo]

Greetings,

I can be a bit long winded so please bare with me as I slowly get to my point.

First some back ground. I have been reading the excellent (and not so excellent) stories here at Literotica for years now, probably six or so.

When I finally got the bug to write my own pron, I spit out 9 chapters to make sure it was something I was going to stick with. Literotica.com was my only selection of posting my story but I ran into a great big brick wall. My story was an X-Men/Xavier's School Alternate Universe and most of the characters don't comply with Literotica's Must Be 18 lingo. So, someone here nicely suggested that I try AdultFanFiction and that is where you can find XSFGC which is up to chapter 23.

However, I have gotten the bug to write a few original stories and again, my first thought was to post them here. My first non-story, a MC one called It's Good to be the King, posted fine and was accepted at Literotica.com, Yay me.

My second story did not. Since the story was a dream that I had a couple of weeks ago and it had a couple of girls who was mentioned to have sex with their father and uncle (yes, I was a very surreal, strange dream, which is why when i remembered it, i wanted to write it). After talking with one of the editors here who said that the story would work if the girls were 13, 18 or 21, I will be making the changes he suggested.

My third story is another incest one but this one is not based on a dream but females that I have known who were either victims or took part in incestual relationships. It is not a happy story and the worry and question I have revolves around my telling of how some of these girls were indeed raped or had sexual relations well under the age of 18 (one was molested at ten and another was raped repeatedly starting at age 10).

Now before anyone gets up in arms, this is not a wank story and the way I have dealt with their situation is more matter of factual, "my dad raped me at age 10 and no matter how I cried for him to stop, he wouldn't" vice the wank style of "my daddy would come to my bed and when he would drop his pajamas, I couldn't help but drool over his ****, I was ever so pleased when he did feed it too me."

Yes, I know that the easy way out would be to delete all references to age or make them magically 18, but this story means a lot to me because it is based on people's real lives (yes the names have been changed to protect the innocent).

So, my question is, will references (written in a factual way and not a wank way) to what happened to girls under the age of 18 fly?

The story clocks in at 25K of words, about 48 pages in Word 03.

Yes, sex does involve with most of the females but only when they are over or even well past the age 18 barrier; of the eight or so girls referenced, only three girls portions were truly fluffed by me, with the exception of the last girl whose story is factual until you get half way through the story were the fiction kicks in.

Thank you,

Albert - PariahSolo - eastwoodaen

PS: In case you are curious, I did broach this story with the previous editor I used but he begged off due to school constraints.

 

[Lalah]

They all have to be 18 if they are involved one way or another in something sexual, there is no way around it.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Lalah is right

It may sound absurd to keep writing "eighteen" or older, but she's right. When I write I keep specifying the age.

 

[cloudy]

So, my question is, will references (written in a factual way and not a wank way) to what happened to girls under the age of 18 fly?

Absolutely not.

Please quit trying to find a way around the rules - they're that way for a reason. If you absolutely must have people under 18 having sex, you'll have to post it somewhere else.

The only reference you can get away with, and even that's pretty iffy, is something like "she lost her virginity when she was 16." Period. No descriptions, no flashbacks, nada.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Feedback of a Different Nature

Received feedback from an obviously misinformed reader. The person complained that I was being naive thinking a young woman would wait until she was eighteen before experiencing sexual urges, which typically occur several years younger. Of course it came from "Anonymous" leaving me no means to clarify the reasoning. But the story was bombed on account of this regardless.

Ah well.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

Received feedback from an obviously misinformed reader. The person complained that I was being naive thinking a young woman would wait until she was eighteen before experiencing sexual urges, which typically occur several years younger. Of course it came from "Anonymous" leaving me no means to clarify the reasoning. But the story was bombed on account of this regardless.

Ah well.

Just two points:

1) You would indeed be naïve if you really did think that;

2) Given the number of writers who attempt to bend or to ignore the Lit rules, why would a reader ever bother even to look at them?

 

[PariahSolo]

Greetings Again All,


I have been trying to get an editor to take a good look at this story but so far I am on strike two (first guy bowed out and the second person I contacted did not reply to my requst.)

Asylumseeker:

Yes, it is very absurd to have the magical 18 age barrier; it is almost like someone is trying to decieve themselves into believing they live in a nice wonderful world.

(Side note on feedback from my second story posted here where I purposely used the word 'shirley' as an inside joke in place of the correct 'surely'. I guess I am the only one who remembers the joke were one guy is talking to the another and says: "And surely that can't be true" with the second guy replying, "my name isn't Shirley, it is Steve." Bah, so much for my wierd sense of humor.)


Cloudy:

First, I wasn't trying to bend the rule (I hadn't submitted it), I knew it was a grey area and I wanted confirmation one way or another.

Second, she wasn't 'having sex' at age 10, she was being raped.

Third, I personnally do not consider rape sex.

Fourth, and this was the one that this thread opened my eyes to, while I don't get my jollies off on a 10 year old repeatedly raped by her father, I do understand that there is people out there that do. So I can see where I say rape it is equated to sex.

I guess the real limitus test will come if I ever get someone to agree to edit my stories because while I have been waiting to get a response from the last editor, I have been finishing up my next story and this one has a female who is 16 and has urges for her father BUT nothing happens. The point of having urges is how the father deals with them and other issues that he faces. Personally, I don't see this as an issue for the age 18 barrier because they aren't sex and don't have sex, but you never know.

Thank you,

Albert - PariaSolo - eastwoodaen

 

[sr71plt]

Yes, it is very absurd to have the magical 18 age barrier; it is almost like someone is trying to decieve themselves into believing they live in a nice wonderful world.

It's not absurb on the part of the Web site. The barrier is in the law and the enforcement of same, so what is absurb is trying to pretend the barrier doesn't exist and getting cutsy in trying to circumvent it and discussing its "absurdity" ad nauseum. If the Web site didn't enforce the barrier, more than half of us wouldn't be posting stories (or anything else) here, and the Web site would have to go behind a password (and probably a fat bill to members). What's absurb is pursuing the point and pushing the edges.

 

[PariahSolo]

Uhmm, look at my number of posts; 6. Now 7. This is not a forum I frequent, so I don't know what you post here "ad nauseum". I do read the fiction on the archive section and when I had question(s), I came here to ask those questions.

My opinion about the 18 barrier is just that, opinion and I am allowed have that comment thank you very much. Am I looking to change that barrier? No. Why? Because it is not my site and I don't make the rules. I can just comment on how they affect me or if I have an opinion and on a lot of things I don't have an opinion, but I do have one pet peeve, censorship of any kind.

 

[sr71plt]

Uhmm, look at my number of posts; 6. Now 7. This is not a forum I frequent, so I don't know what you post here "ad nauseum". I do read the fiction on the archive section and when I had question(s), I came here to ask those questions.

My opinion about the 18 barrier is just that, opinion and I am allowed have that comment thank you very much. Am I looking to change that barrier? No. Why? Because it is not my site and I don't make the rules. I can just comment on how they affect me or if I have an opinion and on a lot of things I don't have an opinion, but I do have one pet peeve, censorship of any kind.

Censorship isn't applicable. This Web site is a private business. And, sorry, but you could have fooled me about not wanting to circumvent--or ignore--the limits the site owners have put on content here (for very good reasons). I'm sure you can find a site for what you want to write, although you might have to pay for the privilege and look over your shoulder a lot.

 

[keeblercrumb]

Uhmm, look at my number of posts; 6. Now 7. This is not a forum I frequent, so I don't know what you post here "ad nauseum". I do read the fiction on the archive section and when I had question(s), I came here to ask those questions.

My opinion about the 18 barrier is just that, opinion and I am allowed have that comment thank you very much. Am I looking to change that barrier? No. Why? Because it is not my site and I don't make the rules. I can just comment on how they affect me or if I have an opinion and on a lot of things I don't have an opinion, but I do have one pet peeve, censorship of any kind.

This issue comes up a lot..... Please excuse the posters if it seems like they are testy and tired of talking about it.... but they are.

Really.... this is not a censorship issue. It is a cultural and law enforcement issue..... The owners of this site do not want the hassle and are not interested in being the next Larry Flynt (well, they would probably love the money, but without being shot at). They want to stay under the radar on this.

Anbody writing about real life sexuality understands that it happens long before 18. Moreover, bad things happen to young children including rape. If this is an important story for you to write, please do so. You just will not be able to post it here. The print media to date has been a safer place. But given the current political climate in our country, I would not bet that will continue indefinately.

There are a lot of issues begging for a crusader..... maybe you will be the person for under 18 sex.

Good luck.

-KC

 

[LadyCibelle]

It's not absurb on the part of the Web site. The barrier is in the law and the enforcement of same, so what is absurb is trying to pretend the barrier doesn't exist and getting cutsy in trying to circumvent it and discussing its "absurdity" ad nauseum. If the Web site didn't enforce the barrier, more than half of us wouldn't be posting stories (or anything else) here, and the Web site would have to go behind a password (and probably a fat bill to members). What's absurb is pursuing the point and pushing the edges.

Censorship isn't applicable. This Web site is a private business. And, sorry, but you could have fooled me about not wanting to circumvent--or ignore--the limits the site owners have put on content here (for very good reasons). I'm sure you can find a site for what you want to write, although you might have to pay for the privilege and look over your shoulder a lot.

I seldom agree with Sr, but this time I have to. The issue at hand has nothing to do with censorship and everything to do with the site owners' decision to not allow any story posting containing sexual acts with minors -- be it done to minors, done with minors or even minors viewing those sexual acts between adults.

Your posts really seemed as if you want to circumvent this site's rules. Of course, you can have an opinion and voice it, that's the beauty of Lit, WE are allowed to have an opinion and voice it as loudly as we want; just as long as it's just that, opinion, and not a way to circumvent the rules in place.

 

[Lansky_Lair]

even if you're not trying...

it doesn't sound to me like you're trying to find a way to circumvent the rules.

but, even if this is so, the content you're describing would definitely be off-limits here.

there's no really no reason to go any further than that in decrying you or in decrying the site. the site has rules. when you sign up, you agree to those rules. this content is beyond those rules. done deal.

i'm not saying you're a bad guy.

i'm not saying i would necessarily have all the same rules this site does.

but they're the rules, we've agreed to them -- end of story.

(literally)

kelly

 

[PariahSolo]

Excellent response Lansky Lair. I came here asking a question and it was answered.



Let me say this about Literotica; this is the sight that I come to when I want to read. Most of the fiction here is worth reading and I find enjoyment in reading those stories.

 

[alwayswantedto]

PariahSolo,

I am also a long time reader but new author. I was a bit frustrated about the 18 year rule because it didn't really fit the story I had in my mind. I had a hissy fit and wrote an incest story in which Mom was over ninety and son was long retired. I got a little carried away with it, but now I've got it out of my system, and honor the rule, which I fully understand. I could find other sites but, like you, I like this one.

 

[Lalah]

There are other websites that allow you to post such stories. If that story is so important to you just spend a little while searching on google and you will find them. Although I'd say you won't find them to be as high quality as Literotica.

 

[Teloz]

It's all about the age of consent...

I find the "over 18" rule a little didactic as in the UK the age of consent is 16 not 18. At the end of the day though I hate the thought of anyone writing about people under the age of consent, especially in the "Non-consent/Reluctance" category.

Yes, we all know bad things happen in real life, but this isn't real life, it's Literotica, the home of erotic fiction, let's keep it that way.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

You Go Girl!

There are other websites that allow you to post such stories. If that story is so important to you just spend a little while searching on google and you will find them. Although I'd say you won't find them to be as high quality as Literotica.

In my opinion, Lit is "it". Geez, how hard is it to comply? I have gotten, and continue to receive, messages complaining about why I write about naive characters who "suddenly" get sexual urges on their 18th birthday. This is why.