Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

To me what it seems you want is for Trump to somehow just tell Putin to stop, OR ELSE! Which won't work and will escalate the conflict outside of Ukraine's borders. We're already seeing that happen with oil tankers in the Black Sea being attacked. Adding more pressure through force will only ramp up that kind of response.

nope. Why tell Putin to stop? He won't. All Trump is doing tight now is making his own ineffectual diplomacy look even more ineffectual, all while he is making the USA look weak and anatgonizing a country that SHOULD have been ur strongest ally for a generation or two. Moronic.

All I want Trump to do is keep providing intelligence and sell Ukraine all the weapons they ask for. Lend-lease would be fine. Ukraine will eventually pay it all back. F16's Bradleys, ammo, bombs, missiles, whatever they need. Nothing else.
 
Immigration in itself is not an issue when done in a legal and controlled manner which includes background checks, limits and a clear path to citizenship which is something the US needs to make a bit easier.

But what is happening in Europe with the infestation of the most racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic violent race that has ever existed, that falls under invasion

When millions of people are let in here and handed free everything, that's destroying a country while using them to win elections.

Neither is viable 'immigration'

But then the left is told protecting your country and family is racist and right wing, so...they say let them all in reeeeeeeee
Chug that koolaid, son.
You are the epitome of both Murican ignorance and white privilege.
As such, you are a concise encapsulation of everything wrong in Murica nowadays.
 
Chug that koolaid, son.
You are the epitome of both Murican ignorance and white privilege.
As such, you are a concise encapsulation of everything wrong in Murica nowadays.
Sounds like Rob’s already been fitted for his Man Jammies, eager to enlist in whatever delusional little ‘caliphate’ he thinks is forming down in Texas.
 
All I want Trump to do is keep providing intelligence and sell Ukraine all the weapons they ask for. Lend-lease would be fine. Ukraine will eventually pay it all back. F16's Bradleys, ammo, bombs, missiles, whatever they need. Nothing else.

This is WWIII in the making.
 
You’re proving the exact problem: you’ve turned one foreign policy issue into a personal crusade while ignoring the rest of America’s strategic reality. A president doesn’t get to run a country based on a single emotional priority. He has to look at the entire board, our borders, our economy, our deterrence posture in Asia, our industrial base, our national security.

You may be “done” with Trump and Vance, but Trump isn’t the one sacrificing American interests on the altar of Kyiv. He’s the one finally forcing Europe to shoulder the burden it’s been dodging for a decade while trying to keep the U.S. from bleeding itself dry. Let the cards fall where they may if you want. But don’t pretend your vote is some grand moral stand. It’s just choosing one narrow cause over the nation you actually live in.

From a friend
He shits his pants and sells trinkets out of the oval office
 
THAT is where i disagree. I fully expected him to turn mercanary and demand that Eiurope pay for the weapons and I have no argument with that.

It's his actively siding with Putin and Russia that I abhore. THAT is just beyond the pale. And that Witkoff is still working for him is simply disgusting.

Trump hasn’t “sided with Putin.” He’s done what every serious American president is supposed to do: prioritize American security, American resources, and American interests first. Wanting Europe to pay for its own defense isn’t mercenary, it’s common sense. Europe is richer, larger, and far more directly affected by the war than we are. Expecting the U.S. taxpayer to bankroll their backyard indefinitely is what’s truly beyond the pale.
And yes, on thi one I AM single issue. And I'm not the only one.
You’re not “single-issue,” you’re single-obsession. And that obsession is blinding you to what’s actually happening.
Thing is, instead of stickimg to reform on the key issues that people voted for him on, he is breaking a lot of things that he did not have to touch and THAT is losing him support, which is going to be catastrophic for the GOP in the mid-terms. Ukraine is one of those issues where he is going agaimst his base and against most Americans and it's going to cost him. It won't be the decisiing factor, but there IS going to be a cost. ANd voters like me are part of that cost.
And the idea that he’s “breaking things he didn’t have to touch” is just code for “he’s finally undoing the sacred cows that the D.C. class has protected for decades. Reform isn’t delicate; it’s disruptive by definition. If you want polite maintenance of the status quo, you’re living in the wrong era.

As for Ukraine being some defining wedge issue, it isn’t. Most Americans do not support endless funding, endless weapons, and endless commitments. The base definitely doesn’t. The only group still treating Ukraine as the center of the universe is the narrow band of people who were always more emotionally invested in Kyiv than in Kansas. They represent a niche that believes America’s global obligations outweigh its own interests. That used to be the bipartisan establishment line. It’s not the country’s line anymore. If you want to cast a protest vote over a foreign war that isn’t ours, that’s your choice.
 
Immigration in itself is not an issue when done in a legal and controlled manner which includes background checks, limits and a clear path to citizenship which is something the US needs to make a bit easier.

But what is happening in Europe with the infestation of the most racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic violent race that has ever existed, that falls under invasion

When millions of people are let in here and handed free everything, that's destroying a country while using them to win elections.

Neither is viable 'immigration'

But then the left is told protecting your country and family is racist and right wing, so...they say let them all in reeeeeeeee
What is happening in Europe could very well be happening here, at a higher tempo than the corrupt media is willing to report.
 
He shits his pants and sells trinkets out of the oval office
You have that wrong. It was Joe Biden who shit his pants and in no less grand scale than while speaking to the Pope. He sold more than trinkets; he sold his office and the American people down the river.
 
Joe Biden who shit his pants and in no less grand scale than while speaking to the Pope. He sold more than trinkets; he sold his office and the American people down the river.
This is how we know you're totally divorced from reality.

Your president is selling NFTs and rebranded T-Mobile phones.

There's a Saudi airbase on US soil now.

Seriously, fuck off.
 
This is WWIII in the making.

WW3 is already underway. This is the equivalent of the Spanish Civil War, the testing ground for the main event.

Biden and now Trump'slack of resolution, lack of cmmittment and cowardice, not to mention Trump turning into Putin's lapdog, have made this almost inevitable.

It's that cyclic thing between Great Powers. The rise and decline of great powers in the international system follow predictable patterns. It asserts that as a dominant power rises to prominence, it will eventually be challenged by emerging powers seeking to alter the distribution of power. This cycle of rise, dominance, and decline repeats itself throughout history, leading to shifts in the global balance of power and often to conflict between rising and declining powers. These are generational cycles (The 4th turning, Howe & Strauss), (George Modelski, Long Cycles in World Politics)

The previous world leaders were: Portugal (1492–1580 in the Age of Discovery); the Netherlands (1580–1688 beginning with the Eighty Years' War, 1579-1588); the United Kingdom (1688–1792 beginning with the wars of Louis XIV); and the United Kingdom for a second time, (1792–1914, beginning with the first world war between France and Britain when France lost it's First Empire and then the French Revolution and Napoleonic wars). The USA has been the world leader since 1914-1945, beginning with the defeat of rival powers in two world wars and emerging as THE unrivaled superpower after WW2. Its rise to this position began in the 1850's as it pushed ahead of its then rivals, Germany and Russia, and formed coalitions with Great Britain, France and Japan.

World leader nations tend to have: 'insular geography' and a strong naval power providing 'global reach'; a stable, open society; a strong economy; strategic organisation, and strong political parties. By contrast, the 'challenger' nations (in the past, Spain, France (twice), Germany, and Russia) have: closed systems; absolute rulers; domestic instability; continental geographic locations; and weaker naval power. Russia meets all the criteria but has been unsucessful and is now ceding 'challener" nation status to China, which meets most of the criteria fir success - a stable, open society; a strong economy; strategic organisation, and strong political parties (the CCP is STRONG). China must have read the same books - they are developing also as a strong naval power able to project strength.

Currently, Russia/Ukraine is for the USA and China the equivalent of Civil War Spain - a testing ground of strength, tactics and weapons, with North Korea serving as a proxy for China - without Xi's permission, the NORK's wouldn't lift a finger. As with the western democracies prior to WW2 in Spain, the USA is failing to demonstrate strength and willpower, making a challenge far more likely - and Taiwan is the obvious spark 0 but it could be something else entirely.

But what IS clear is that the USA is the defencing world power and China is the challenger and these are the opening rounds in what could go in for decades - Ukraine/Russia is just the opening bout and we are now, thanks to Trump, going to lose, whoever wins. Putin is NOT Trump's buddy, he's playing Trump like a violin and he's unlikely to win while Trump is President. Ukraine on the other hand WAS grateful to us for the help Biden provided, cautious and limited as it was - but TRUMP has guaranteed that whn Ukraine wins, there will be littleor no goodwill towards the USA there - Ukraine will orient toward Europe, and again thx to Trump, Europe (and Canada) will wean themselves off the American tit.

Who succeeds Trump may also be a factor, but probably not that important. Vance is an isolationist and a Democrat will be unlikely to have the balls to stand up. A Democrat will also likely weaken the military, as Obama and Biden did, meaning in an actual conflict we would be likely to lose to China, who have a far higher tolerance for losses than we do. ALso, our military is stagnating and is failing to recognize a lot of the lessons from Ukraine - whereas China is absorbing them.
 
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WW3 is already underway. This is the equivalent of the Spanish Civil War, the testing ground for the main event.

Biden and now Trump'slack of resolution, lack of cmmittment and cowardice, not to mention Trump turning into Putin's lapdog, have made this almost inevitable.

It's that cyclic thing between Great Powers. The rise and decline of great powers in the international system follow predictable patterns. It asserts that as a dominant power rises to prominence, it will eventually be challenged by emerging powers seeking to alter the distribution of power. This cycle of rise, dominance, and decline repeats itself throughout history, leading to shifts in the global balance of power and often to conflict between rising and declining powers. These are generational cycles (The 4th turning, Howe & Strauss), (George Modelski, Long Cycles in World Politics)

The previous world leaders were: Portugal (1492–1580 in the Age of Discovery); the Netherlands (1580–1688 beginning with the Eighty Years' War, 1579-1588); the United Kingdom (1688–1792 beginning with the wars of Louis XIV); and the United Kingdom for a second time, (1792–1914, beginning with the first world war between France and Britain when France lost it's First Empire and then the French Revolution and Napoleonic wars). The USA has been the world leader since 1914-1945, beginning with the defeat of rival powers in two world wars and emerging as THE unrivaled superpower after WW2. Its rise to this position began in the 1850's as it pushed ahead of its then rivals, Germany and Russia, and formed coalitions with Great Britain, France and Japan.

World leader nations tend to have: 'insular geography' and a strong naval power providing 'global reach'; a stable, open society; a strong economy; strategic organisation, and strong political parties. By contrast, the 'challenger' nations (in the past, Spain, France (twice), Germany, and Russia) have: closed systems; absolute rulers; domestic instability; continental geographic locations; and weaker naval power. Russia meets all the criteria but has been unsucessful and is now ceding 'challener" nation status to China, which meets most of the criteria fir success - a stable, open society; a strong economy; strategic organisation, and strong political parties (the CCP is STRONG). China must have read the same books - they are developing also as a strong naval power able to project strength.

Currently, Russia/Ukraine is for the USA and China the equivalent of Civil War Spain - a testing ground of strength, tactics and weapons, with North Korea serving as a proxy for China - without Xi's permission, the NORK's wouldn't lift a finger. As with the western democracies prior to WW2 in Spain, the USA is failing to demonstrate strength and willpower, making a challenge far more likely - and Taiwan is the obvious spark 0 but it could be something else entirely.

But what IS clear is that the USA is the defencing world power and China is the challenger and these are the opening rounds in what could go in for decades - Ukraine/Russia is just the opening bout and we are now, thanks to Trump, going to lose, whoever wins. Putin is NOT Trump's buddy, he's playing Trump like a violin and he's unlikely to win while Trump is President. Ukraine on the other hand WAS grateful to us for the help Biden provided, cautious and limited as it was - but TRUMP has guaranteed that whn Ukraine wins, there will be littleor no goodwill towards the USA there - Ukraine will orient toward Europe, and again thx to Trump, Europe (and Canada) will wean themselves off the American tit.

Who succeeds Trump may also be a factor, but probably not that important. Vance is an isolationist and a Democrat will be unlikely to have the balls to stand up. A Democrat will also likely weaken the military, as Obama and Biden did, meaning in an actual conflict we would be likely to lose to China, who have a far higher tolerance for losses than we do. ALso, our military is stagnating and is failing to recognize a lot of the lessons from Ukraine - whereas China is absorbing them.
The idea that “WW3 is already underway” is dramatic overreach built on selective history and cyclical theories that predict conflict because they "want" to see patterns, not because the world is actually following them. The Spanish Civil War analogy also crumbles: that conflict featured great-power militaries directly intervening, deploying troops, aircraft, and officers on the battlefield. Today, no major power is fighting Russia directly, and China is not sending divisions, aircraft, or commanders to Ukraine.

The “rise and fall of great powers” narrative is also being misapplied. China is a demographic implosion wrapped inside a fragile financial bubble, an aging dictatorship, and a shrinking labor force, not an unstoppable challenger positioned to topple a global power. The U.S. remains the world’s dominant military, technological, and naval power with unmatched alliances, wealth, resources, and geographic insulation. That's what you call structural advantage, not decline.

And the argument that Trump “caused” Ukraine to turn away from the U.S. or “guaranteed” Europe will abandon America is fantasy, Europe is militarizing because of Russia, not because of Trump, and Ukraine’s orientation is being determined by its survival, not sentiment.
 
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