Thoughts on Using AI to Improve Erotic Writing

[Lifestyle66]

I don't read erotic literature outside this site and Reddit. There are several good stories and a few great ones here but are these as good as those books by celebrated authors whose names sell books in bookstores? I'm not one to judge. ElectricBlue's a good author. If I'm an AI, I won't see the need to probe. There won't be a need for it.

I've never fucked before so I'll only know how sex feels like from reading the stories here or watching those movies. I think that limits my ability to write sex scenes good enough for me to get off. I'm not sure if my ability and experience now can pull that off so I'm just asking if AI can be used to help, after seeing some very steamy sentences or a few ardent paragraphs. Is there anything wrong with that?



True. I was fucked by how many times I need to regenerate and how long I need to sort through its output to get the good story that will satisfy me.

I'm just curious if it's possible to write vivid sex scenes without performing it. Of course AI hasn't but it's built on data from people who've created it from their experience. I'm using AI as a guide. It's not as if I can ask people out there what's fucking like so I can write a great fucking scene better than the movies.



What chicken dance do you want me to perform then?



The Elenium, I heard, was another version of the Belgariad, which I read. I only read Eddings for his dialogue and because his characters are like old friends.


Yes. J K Rowling created a whole new society. C S Lewis created a whole new land. Tolkien created a whole new world as in a whole new planet.

This entire post still reads like an unemotional AI with a new task of trolling the Author's Hangout.

Could it be that some software developers are experimenting here by coding an AI to try originating a conversation?

 

[iwatchus]

But you recognised the beats and the tropes. They're what make it derivative, but they're also what established the fantasy genre. There's a direct plot line from LotR to Shannara to Dragonlance to WoT.

I think you are ignoring all the creative other fantasy that were already selling well by NOT being derivative. It's kind of like saying Star Wars or Marvel created the movie industry.

 

[FeldGasden]

You are either a writer, or you aren't. If you are using AI to do more than correct your typos and put commas where they belong, you are not.

You're an editor. Someone who corrects or modifies what someone/something else has written. How can you take credit for the creativity, when it's not yours?

I was the one who keyed in the prompt.

No. I wasn't correcting typos and inserting commas with the AI but I was sorting out the sentences and paragraphs AI generated and organizing them into something readable. As it is, it'll just be like a hodgepodge of words.

My single story published here was NOT written by AI.

I did keep the stories I tried using it to write but I want to do better than that, so I'm seeking some guidance here on how I can be better, particularly the sex scenes.

This entire post still reads like an unemotional AI with a new task of trolling the Author's Hangout.

Could it be that some software developers are experimenting here by coding an AI to try originating a conversation?

How will you like me to prove that I'm not an AI but an actual living person in that case?

If you think I'm an AI, I can think you're an AI too for diverting attention away from yourself.

 

[StillStunned]

I think you are ignoring all the creative other fantasy that were already selling well by NOT being derivative. It's kind of like saying Star Wars or Marvel created the movie industry.

In the 1970s and 1980s? There wasn't much. Fantasy was what sci-fi authors did on the side as a bit of a lark, or else it was marketed for children. Shannara was Lester Del Rey's project to prove that there was a market for adult fantasy. It paved the way for the big boom from the mid-1980s forwards.

 

[EmilyMiller]

But you recognised the beats and the tropes. They're what make it derivative, but they're also what established the fantasy genre. There's a direct plot line from LotR to Shannara to Dragonlance to WoT.

And the characters and their characteristics. It’s like really bad fan-fic.

 

[FeldGasden]

In the 1970s and 1980s? There wasn't much. Fantasy was what sci-fi authors did on the side as a bit of a lark, or else it was marketed for children. Shannara was Lester Del Rey's project to prove that there was a market for adult fantasy. It paved the way for the big boom from the mid-1980s forwards.

The Hobbit is for children. That I can understand. It was how I was introduced to the book. I "finished" The Lord of the Rings shortly before The Fellowship of the Ring movie. The Lord of the Rings is certainly not for children. It's a bit more mature than that.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I was the one who keyed in the prompt.

You are deluding yourself that this is writing. It’s like saying you are the supervisor for a room full of monkeys with typewriters.

 

[iwatchus]

In the 1970s and 1980s? There wasn't much. Fantasy was what sci-fi authors did on the side as a bit of a lark, or else it was marketed for children. Shannara was Lester Del Rey's project to prove that there was a market for adult fantasy. It paved the way for the big boom from the mid-1980s forwards.

It's a lot of what I was reading in the early seventies. Earthsea and Zelazny's Amber series are the I remember most clearly, but there were others as well.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Earthsea

Earthsea is beautiful writing.

 

[StillStunned]

And the characters and their characteristics. It’s like really bad fan-fic.

Like I said, beats and tropes. It's purpose wasn't to be original. It was to crystalise what constituted high fantasy.

The Hobbit is for children. That I can understand. It was how I was introduced to the book. I "finished" The Lord of the Rings shortly before The Fellowship of the Ring movie. The Lord of the Rings is certainly not for children. It's a bit more mature than that.

I didn't say there wasn't any. Ursula K Le Guin, Jack Vance, Roger Zelazny, Fritz Leiber. But it was very niche, not taken seriously and generally considered sci-fis sickly little sibling. That changed with Shannara.

Look, I'm not saying it's great literature. I'm saying that it was the perfect book for a starved audience at the time, and it played a key role in the birth of the genre.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I was the one who keyed in the prompt.

No. I wasn't correcting typos and inserting commas with the AI but I was sorting out the sentences and paragraphs AI generated and organizing them into something readable. As it is, it'll just be like a hodgepodge of words.

My single story published here was NOT written by AI.

I did keep the stories I tried using it to write but I want to do better than that, so I'm seeking some guidance here on how I can be better, particularly the sex scenes.


How will you like me to prove that I'm not an AI but an actual living person in that case?

If you think I'm an AI, I can think you're an AI too for diverting attention away from yourself.

This still sounds like a machine trying to learn how to write stories which won't be detected as AI written.

 

[FeldGasden]

You are deluding yourself that this is writing. It’s like saying you are the supervisor for a room full of monkeys with typewriters.

Reminds me of that cartoon I M Weasel during our childhood days. I think we're a few years apart in age.

I just like some of the sentences produced by those monkeys. If there's anything better than the sentences the monkeys created to depict sex scenes, I'd love to hear it but for now, I'm not sure when I'll ever be able to write great sex scenes. I could learn from the many talented authors here, of course, but I'm not that confident if I can produce a sex scene that can fuel my libido. That's why I'm asking about using AI as an aid.

This still sounds like a machine trying to learn how to write stories which won't be detected as AI written.

And why would a machine do that?

 

[EmilyMiller]

If there's anything better than the sentences the monkeys created to depict sex scenes, I'd love to hear it but for now

I find this astonishing. Read some stories.

 

[FeldGasden]

I find this astonishing. Read some stories.

Am already doing that. I do have my favorites. Still not sure if I can create my own after reading quite a number.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Still not sure if I can create my own after reading quite a number.

OK, I’d say, ‘Try!’ You don’t know what you are capable of until you try. We all started somewhere.

Failing that, don’t rely on a statistical inference machine which spits out its best guess at what the average of multiple authors’ text matching your prompt might be, most of it stolen.

 

[alohadave]

We agree on many things, but TSOS is the most derivative POS I have even been unfortunate to read. I wasn’t even alive when it published. Did Tolkien’s estate sue, if not, they should have?

I think what they mean is that TSOS was the impetus for modern sword and sorcery fantasy rather than JRRT's style of epic saga fantasy.

Not that the story is great, but it was highly influential.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I think what they mean is that TSOS was the impetus for modern sword and sorcery fantasy rather than JRRT's style of epic saga fantasy.

@StillStunned and I have an ongoing difference of opinion in this area.

Not that the story is great, but it was highly influential.

Many bad things are

 

[MillieDynamite]

I can sum up my view on using AI writing for anything: "DON'T."

 

[Areala-chan]

Am already doing that. I do have my favorites. Still not sure if I can create my own after reading quite a number.

When I was an infant, I was the world's worst writer.

At ten years old, not much had changed.

At nineteen, I progressed to "not the worst the world has ever seen".

In my thirties, I hit "Could be better, but could be worse too."

I'm in my forties, and I've finally hit "average".

The only thing that makes you a better writer is time spent writing, and ten times that amount of time spent reading for pleasure.

You can use AI, but doing so defeats the purpose of putting in the work to get good, to sand the edges off the worst bits of your suckage, and feel the sense of accomplishment for having done so. It's the difference between putting in the effort over a few months to shave a few seconds off your personal best marathon time, and mainlining steroids to achieve the same time improvement in a week. You literally are only cheating yourself.

Abdicating your responsibilities as an author to AI is the worst thing you can do as a writer. Either you are here to write, or you aren't. If you are, then write, write, and write more. Who cares if it sucks? It's going to suck somewhere, so learn that lesson, and your next one won't suck that way. Eventually, you learn to clean up those mistakes before you make them, and your writing gets better. If you aren't here to write, then don't waste your time, or ours.

Using AI to write is like building a really nifty house in Minecraft and mistaking yourself for an architect. It's thinking you're a cook by virtue of re-heating leftovers from your last pizza delivery. It's placing a book back on the shelf where you found it, and calling yourself a librarian.

Everything worth doing takes time and effort in order to do better than you did it two months ago. Writing is no different. If that's too depressing, find a different hobby you do want to invest the time into, otherwise you will be miserable.

Best of luck, and once you've written something to your satisfaction, post it up, bask in the knowledge the words are yours alone, that no one else could have written what you did in the way you did, and then do it again.

 

[crookedletter]

AI can't "improve" anything, it can just render it into soulless derivative bullshit. If soulless derivative bullshit is what you're into, then you might have some fun with that. But you probably won't be able to post it here.

 

[stickygirl]

This still sounds like a machine trying to learn how to write stories which won't be detected as AI written.

Agreed - there is something off here. Maybe it's Data from Star Trek?

 

[Lifestyle66]

Agreed - there is something off here. Maybe it's Data from Star Trek?

More like his earlier prototype brother.

 

[Djmac1031]

Oh My God. This topic has been done to death here.

Why people want to do themselves a disservice by having a thing create for them, rather than try to develop their own skills is beyond me.

its pretty easy, actually: people are fucking lazy.

 

[Djmac1031]

so I'm seeking some guidance here on how I can be better, particularly the sex scenes.

if you're SERIOUSLY seeking advice, here it is:

Close the AI app and open a book. ANY book. Or open a screen here and read a story.

Then read some more. But dont just read for the entertainment value, or to get off.

Pay attention to the good ones. Pay attention to how the story starts and builds and introduces places and characters and plots.

STUDY. LEARN.

Then try it yourself. And by "try" i don't mean prompt an AI app. Keep that fucking thing closed.

Try it yourself. BY yourself. No AI, no bullshit.

Try. And allow yourself to fail. Learn from that failure and try again.

Talk to other writers. NOT AI.

PEOPLE. Talk to actual people who write. There are plenty of us here.

You will learn NOTHING about writing from AI and any nonsense it generates for you will give you no true sense of accomplishment.

If I sound blunt, well... you did ask.

 

[FeldGasden]

if you're SERIOUSLY seeking advice, here it is:

Close the AI app and open a book. ANY book. Or open a screen here and read a story.

Then read some more. But dont just read for the entertainment value, or to get off.

Pay attention to the good ones. Pay attention to how the story starts and builds and introduces places and characters and plots.

STUDY. LEARN.

Then try it yourself. And by "try" i don't mean prompt an AI app. Keep that fucking thing closed.

Try it yourself. BY yourself. No AI, no bullshit.

Try. And allow yourself to fail. Learn from that failure and try again.

Talk to other writers. NOT AI.

PEOPLE. Talk to actual people who write. There are plenty of us here.

You will learn NOTHING about writing from AI and any nonsense it generates for you will give you no true sense of accomplishment.

If I sound blunt, well... you did ask.

Better bluntness than nothing.

I've read quite a number of stories here, several I intend to study as I try to emulate them my way.

Only question is how do I know whether I've failed?

Is it when I've a feeling I didn't pull off something well enough during the writing process or looking back at my work?

I was only looking at AI because I wasn't able to find the story I needed to study to pull off what I particularly wanted but strangely I was recently able to find a number which could point me in the right direction, some which were written by @ElectricBlue.