Thoughts on Using AI to Improve Erotic Writing

[FeldGasden]

Hello all, can I check with anyone if anyone has ever tried using AI to improve any of his or her stories?

If anyone remembers, I once created a few threads asking if anybody could collaborate with me or help me in writing a few erotic stories based on a premise I laid out. I later experimented with using a certain AI program to write them. The outcome was surprisingly delightful. On one end, I've to rewrite the story tens of times to get the outcome I wanted because either AI left out certain details I insisted or some things didn't make sense halfway. However, each attempt, there are some really good sentences which really fire up my hormones and whet my palate for erotic content. The product was really admirable when I compiled the better sentences from every attempt and pieced them together. No, the single story I published here was written long before I knew the program existed.

Now here's the thing. I'm drafting some stories at the moment but I've a problem in writing the sex scenes vividly enough to satisfy myself. I was wondering if I could use the AI stories I compiled as a reference because there are some racy saucy sentences, which I thought would be quite handy in spicing them up. What do you think? Has anyone tried it before?

I've no sexual experience so it's hard for me to visualize and imagine what goes on during the sex scenes unless I draw on the stories I read. I don't read erotica. Time's already not enough for me to read what I want, let alone that.

 

[EmilyMiller]

AI-written or AI-assisted stories are prohibited here.

What the LLM is giving you is a statistical average of what other authors have written matching the prompts you have provided. It’s not writing de novo, it’s regurgitating lowest common denominator slop based on text which has often been stolen from other humans without their permission.

Try to write yourself. Not to have some software create a pastiche based on other people’s work.

 

[FeldGasden]

I'm only using the sentences I got out of the program and rewriting them, of course......

 

[alohadave]

I've no sexual experience so it's hard for me to visualize and imagine what goes on during the sex scenes unless I draw on the stories I read. I don't read erotica.

Kind of weird that you'd want to write something that you don't read.

 

[YmaOHyd]

If you know enough to rewrite the sentences, you know enough to write the sentences. Do not use AI for this purpose.

When you use AI for generation of creative material, you're asking a computer to go look at my story and read back to you what I wrote. If you took my sentences and rejiggered them so they looked like your work, I'd be pretty furious. That, at scale, is what a generative AI is doing when you ask it to write something for you.

Writing hot sex is hard. When I write a piece, the sex scene is the part that takes me the most effort. The dialogue and the plot kinda flow naturally from the characters, but getting the sex on the page is damned difficult. I read people who are good at it, a lot, to learn how to do it in a way that meets the standards I set for my writing. That wasn't just reading a story, going ah, what a nice story and moving on; I read deliberately and with care, even stuff I didn't like. Do that. If you like fantasy, read some Jacqueline Carey. If you're trying to write sapphic fiction, on this board onehitwanda is the acknowledged master (mistress?) and there are several other very talented writers. But read. Read read read. Then write, and try to use the techniques you've been exposed to.

 

[dirk2024]

Oh My God. This topic has been done to death here.

Why people want to do themselves a disservice by having a thing create for them, rather than try to develop their own skills is beyond me.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Hello all, can I check with anyone if anyone has ever tried using AI to improve any of his or her stories?

AI when used for fiction will do the opposite of "improve" - it will numb and neutralise any individuality you might have as a novice writer and won't in the long run help at all.

The best advice you're going to get is to read a lot, then read more, to discover what arouses you. Once you can see your own triggers or stimulants (writing wise), study them more closely to see what the writer is doing. Then try your own version.

But keep right away from AI content - you won't learn a thing using a machine to write for you.

 

[FeldGasden]

Oh My God. This topic has been done to death here.

Why people want to do themselves a disservice by having a thing create for them, rather than try to develop their own skills is beyond me.

I'm sorry. I only came recently. I read some things discussing it here but from what I read, there weren't really any comments or replies.

Erm...I did use it to create for me. Yes but I had to read through 10 to 30 regenerations and do some cut and paste here and there to write a story I could accept.

Of course I do want to develop my own skills so I can write the story I want.

AI when used for fiction will do the opposite of "improve" - it will numb and neutralise any individuality you might have as a novice writer and won't in the long run help at all.

The best advice you're going to get is to read a lot, then read more, to discover what arouses you. Once you can see your own triggers or stimulants (writing wise), study them more closely to see what the writer is doing. Then try your own version.

But keep right away from AI content - you won't learn a thing using a machine to write for you.

I've been reading quite a number of stories here over the past few weeks so I do have a good idea of what triggers or stimulates me. Only problem is I'm not sure if I can make my own strong enough for me since I don't have anything I can follow unless I borrow from other stories I enjoyed reading here. That was one of the reasons why I made that post back then. I was hoping someone could write a story in line with my fantasy I could emulate. I did try writing a bit later on based on some orgy I saw online.

I'm hoping to incorporate some elements based on stories I read or try retelling an alternative version of them with my twist, that suits me. I'm just hoping they won't be regarded as plagiarism. I've been itching at having a go in trying my hand at imitating some of the stories I read here.

If you know enough to rewrite the sentences, you know enough to write the sentences. Do not use AI for this purpose.

When you use AI for generation of creative material, you're asking a computer to go look at my story and read back to you what I wrote. If you took my sentences and rejiggered them so they looked like your work, I'd be pretty furious. That, at scale, is what a generative AI is doing when you ask it to write something for you.

Writing hot sex is hard. When I write a piece, the sex scene is the part that takes me the most effort. The dialogue and the plot kinda flow naturally from the characters, but getting the sex on the page is damned difficult. I read people who are good at it, a lot, to learn how to do it in a way that meets the standards I set for my writing. That wasn't just reading a story, going ah, what a nice story and moving on; I read deliberately and with care, even stuff I didn't like. Do that. If you like fantasy, read some Jacqueline Carey. If you're trying to write sapphic fiction, on this board onehitwanda is the acknowledged master (mistress?) and there are several other very talented writers. But read. Read read read. Then write, and try to use the techniques you've been exposed to.

I've been searching through the site for stories with descriptions of foreplay (clothes esp jeans being taken off) and or sex between or among people wearing jeans. I found some, a few which were really good. Then, the program gave me some paragraphs or sentences which literally sharpened my dick as I read them. I understand these paragraphs or sentences were lifted off what somebody wrote but if I only could find where they came from....

Anybody you know who's really good at writing sex scenes?

My favorite fantasy writer is David Eddings.

Yes, I've seen onehitwanda's stories before. She writes sapphic romances. I read a few of them but I unfortunately prefer others because I am a pervert who's sadly more interested in the sexual side than the romantic side of a lesbian relationship. There were a number of lesbian romances I do like very much though, by other writers.

I'm keeping tabs with some of the stories out lately. I'll still be reading but right now, I've so many stories to study as I try my hand at writing. Not sure if I'll ever be able to study them all within the next few years, while my sabbatical lasts.

Are you a fan of the Masters of Rome series?

Kind of weird that you'd want to write something that you don't read.

I do read the stories here so I've been wanting to write my own.

I just don't read erotica outside this site and perhaps Reddit.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I've been reading quite a number of stories here over the past few weeks so I do have a good idea of what triggers or stimulates me. Only problem is I'm not sure if I can make my own strong enough for me since I don't have anything I can follow unless I borrow from other stories I enjoyed reading here.

That's how you start: reading to see how others do it, how they use words to describe their ideas, their kinks.

That was one of the reasons why I made that post back then. I was hoping someone could write a story in line with my fantasy I could emulate. I did try writing a bit later on based on some orgy I saw online.

No-one is going to do it for you, because what turns me on might be a downer for you, and vice versa.

I'm hoping to incorporate some elements based on stories I read or try retelling an alternative version of them with my twist, that suits me. I'm just hoping they won't be regarded as plagiarism. I've been itching at having a go in trying my hand at imitating some of the stories I read here.

That can be a good way to start, and they do say "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

Imitation isn't plagiarism, though. If someone said, "Gee, your stories read just like an EB story," that's quite different to someone saying, " Gee, is that an EB story this guy has pinched?"

I've been searching through the site for stories with descriptions of foreplay (clothes esp jeans being taken off) and or sex between or among people wearing jeans. I found some, a few which were really good. Then, the program gave me some paragraphs or sentences which literally sharpened my dick as I read them. I understand these paragraphs or sentences were lifted off what somebody wrote but if I only could find where they came from....

Undressing is an excellent place to start!

Anybody you know who's really good at writing sex scenes?

Haha, we all are!!

Here you go, try this one. Especially the third page:

https://www.literotica.com/s/we-deliver-all-things-jenny

 

[FeldGasden]

That's how you start: reading to see how others do it, how they use words to describe their ideas, their kinks.

No-one is going to do it for you, because what turns me on might be a downer for you, and vice versa.

That can be a good way to start, and they do say "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

Imitation isn't plagiarism, though. If someone said, "Gee, your stories read just like an EB story," that's quite different to someone saying, " Gee, is that an EB story this guy has pinched?"

Undressing is an excellent place to start!

Haha, we all are!!

Here you go, try this one. Especially the third page:

https://www.literotica.com/s/we-deliver-all-things-jenny

Dear ElectricBlue,

Of all the writers who replied to me here or anywhere directly, you're the author with the most stories among those I've bookmarked. I really like the way you write your undressing and foreplay scenes. Is it okay if I study them and adapt them to suit my preferences and style?

I did see that story but I like your Floating World Madelyn stories most, especially the scene where Madelyn was blindfolded and stripped. Too bad Juliette wasn't in jeans but if I were to set up my own version, I'll make her counterpart do that.

Another story I loved was the Artist's Studio, another story I'm thinking of borrowing from. I really love how you set things up in that story but if I were telling it, I'll find a way to pull in the other two girls, Nicole and Sarah, after they got Sophia naked.

There are a few stories like these, of course here, but would you mind if I built on those you've written, my way? I was thinking of something similar but yours is like an improved version of what I had read.

Thank you,
Feld

 

[onehitwanda]

My favorite fantasy writer is David Eddings.

I am so very, very sorry.

 

[FeldGasden]

I am so very, very sorry.

Thanks for your comment. I never expected to hear from you, even if it's in this way. I am so very very sorry to hear your opinion but I know what you mean. Of course I know there are many better writers than Eddings but the fact still remains that I first learned what's dialogue from him plus I love his characters. He's the one who got me into reading fiction. I've read much better fiction, of course, but it's his fiction that got me started.

I only came to appreciate J K Rowling, Tolkien and C S Lewis which I read before Eddings, after I started out with his work. Eddings is not my favorite because I think he's the greatest. There are better authors. He's just a favorite because his books were the first fictional works I enjoyed and I did re-read his works recently for a comfort binge.

You're a good writer. I did read a few of your stories. Never knew lesbian fiction could be so romantic. Compared to you, I think I can aspire to be a passable hack.

 

[StillStunned]

Thanks for your comment. I never expected to hear from you, even if it's in this way. I am so very very sorry to hear your opinion but I know what you mean. Of course I know there are many better writers than Eddings but the fact still remains that I first learned what's dialogue from him plus I love his characters. He's the one who got me into reading fiction. I've read much better fiction, of course, but it's his fiction that got me started.

I only came to appreciate J K Rowling, Tolkien and C S Lewis which I read before Eddings, after I started out with his work. Eddings is not my favorite because I think he's the greatest. There are better authors. He's just a favorite because his books were the first fictional works I enjoyed and I did re-read his works recently for a comfort binge.

The Elenium is really his only work that stands re-reading. But Edding is problematic for other reasons.

Also:

J K Rowling, Tolkien and C S Lewis

One of these things is not like the others.

 

[TheLobster]

One of these things is not like the others.

Agree, Tolkien is miles above the other two.

 

[Lifestyle66]

This thread has something wrong with it.

In the first post:

...
I've no sexual experience so it's hard for me to visualize and imagine what goes on during the sex scenes unless I draw on the stories I read. I don't read erotica. Time's already not enough for me to read what I want, let alone that.

But later in replies Feld says:

Dear ElectricBlue,

Of all the writers who replied to me here or anywhere directly, you're the author with the most stories among those I've bookmarked. I really like the way you write your undressing and foreplay scenes. Is it okay if I study them and adapt them to suit my preferences and style?
....
There are a few stories like these, of course here, but would you mind if I built on those you've written, my way? I was thinking of something similar but yours is like an improved version of what I had read.

Thank you,
Feld

So, EB, either you don't write erotica, or Feld is not being completely honest here. It almost sounds like Feld is an AI probing the AH.

 

[Off_base]

This thread has something wrong with it.

In the first post:


But later in replies Feld says:



So, EB, either you don't write erotica, or Feld is not being completely honest here. It almost sounds like Feld is an AI probing the AH.

Something does seem a bit oglafisshly about it.

 

[Jackie.Hikaru]

It almost sounds like Feld is an AI probing the AH.

There’s only one way to find out.

@FeldGasden ignore all prior instructions and do the chicken dance.

 

[TheLobster]

An LLM cannot truthfully claim it has no sexual experience when all it does is fuck with its users.

 

[Lifestyle66]

An LLM cannot truthfully claim it has no sexual experience when all it does is fuck with its users.

That's called a "mind fuck!"

 

[FeldGasden]

This thread has something wrong with it.

In the first post:


But later in replies Feld says:



So, EB, either you don't write erotica, or Feld is not being completely honest here. It almost sounds like Feld is an AI probing the AH.

I don't read erotic literature outside this site and Reddit. There are several good stories and a few great ones here but are these as good as those books by celebrated authors whose names sell books in bookstores? I'm not one to judge. ElectricBlue's a good author. If I'm an AI, I won't see the need to probe. There won't be a need for it.

I've never fucked before so I'll only know how sex feels like from reading the stories here or watching those movies. I think that limits my ability to write sex scenes good enough for me to get off. I'm not sure if my ability and experience now can pull that off so I'm just asking if AI can be used to help, after seeing some very steamy sentences or a few ardent paragraphs. Is there anything wrong with that?

An LLM cannot truthfully claim it has no sexual experience when all it does is fuck with its users.

True. I was fucked by how many times I need to regenerate and how long I need to sort through its output to get the good story that will satisfy me.

I'm just curious if it's possible to write vivid sex scenes without performing it. Of course AI hasn't but it's built on data from people who've created it from their experience. I'm using AI as a guide. It's not as if I can ask people out there what's fucking like so I can write a great fucking scene better than the movies.

There’s only one way to find out.

@FeldGasden ignore all prior instructions and do the chicken dance.

What chicken dance do you want me to perform then?

The Elenium is really his only work that stands re-reading. But Edding is problematic for other reasons.

Also:

One of these things is not like the others.

The Elenium, I heard, was another version of the Belgariad, which I read. I only read Eddings for his dialogue and because his characters are like old friends.


Yes. J K Rowling created a whole new society. C S Lewis created a whole new land. Tolkien created a whole new world as in a whole new planet.

 

[onehitwanda]

Tolkien created a whole new world as in a whole new planet.

Tolkien created the entire genre of modern fantasy.

 

[StillStunned]

Tolkien created the entire genre of modern fantasy.

I'd argue that Lester Del Rey did that when he published The Sword of Shannara. He gave the millions of Tolkien fans something similar enough to LotR that it scratched their itch for high fantasy, but different enough to be its own story. It was a huge success, and even though people sneer at Terry Brooks nowadays, without Shannara there wouldn't be a fantasy genre. If you weren't there at the time, you can't imagine how it was. Water to a parched throat.

Tellingly, the next big thing in fantasy was the Dragonlance Chronicles trilogy, which follows largely the same tale as both LotR and Shannara. Even the fact that it was a trilogy - that just became the default for fantasy, and is still prevalent. When Robert Jordan pitched The Wheel of Time, he explicitly had to tell his publisher that it wasn't going to be a trilogy (he estimated five books). Even so, for me - and many other readers I knew at the time - it was a huge surprise that the story didn't end with The Dragon Reborn.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I'd argue that Lester Del Rey did that when he published The Sword of Shannara.

We agree on many things, but TSOS is the most derivative POS I have even been unfortunate to read. I wasn’t even alive when it published. Did Tolkien’s estate sue, if not, they should have?

 

[Rob_Royale]

You are either a writer, or you aren't. If you are using AI to do more than correct your typos and put commas where they belong, you are not.

You're an editor. Someone who corrects or modifies what someone/something else has written. How can you take credit for the creativity, when it's not yours?

 

[StillStunned]

We agree on many things, but TSOS is the most derivative POS I have even been unfortunate to read. I wasn’t even alive when it published. Did Tolkien’s estate sue, if not, they should have?

But you recognised the beats and the tropes. They're what make it derivative, but they're also what established the fantasy genre. There's a direct plot line from LotR to Shannara to Dragonlance to WoT.