Jumping into the fire ... Should the entire Non-Con category be eliminated?

[Off_base]

Where would one find this story since I can't find it listed.


Asking for a friend.


Obviously.

From her published works list

 

[cw5523729]

From her published works list

I couldn't find her username in the authors list

Hypothetically, I mean.

 

[cw5523729]

Never mind, I found it. I copy-and-pasted her username from your post but she spells girl with a U instead of an I

 

[cw5523729]

Hmm, I feel like I'm being baited but now I have to see how a story that starts like that is categorized under "lesbian"

 

[Off_base]

Hmm, I feel like I'm being baited but now I have to see how a story that starts like that is categorized under "lesbian"

And, ironically, it's got a high rating and none of the comments call her out for the NC element.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

If stories indeed "push" readers to act, banning these types of NC stories prevents the authors from pushing their readers AWAY from ever wanting to do it!

And this is what I don't like about the site's stupid "victim has to enjoy it" rule. Art sheds light on life. If it is not allowed to, then it tells a lie about life. Propagandists know this. That is why censorship is their biggest tool. So now that only happy rape is allowed on lit, non-con stories here overall paint a rosy picture of rape, the exact opposite of what the site wants or should want. It's so stupid.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

From "Kidnapped" by Cagivagirl

So fucking busted.

@Cagivagurl ~ don't ever bother getting into these discussions again. Save yourself the embarrassment. Your righteous indignation works against you every time.

 

[Cagivagurl]

"My hands were handcuffed to a steel bedhead, my feet to the base. I wriggled until the pain proved that was a wasted exercise. The harder I snatched and pulled on the cuffs. All I got for that effort was more pain, and now there was blood seeping from a cut the handcuffs opened on my wrists.

I lay back on the bed, my eyes taking in my surroundings. An old farmhouse was my first thought. Much like ones I'd seen time and again in movies. The windows, were big, the battens nailed across them did filter out some light. The room was shabby, flaking wallpaper, mold around the corners of the ceiling. It smelt musty, as if it hadn't been used in a very long time.

In the corner sat an old child's cot, again unused. Well not for a long time anyway.

I had far more urgent needs, if I didn't get to a toilet quickly, I was going to embarrass myself.

"Help, somebody please. Help, me." My screams grew in intensity, my bladder straining to hold.

The bedroom door burst open, and a large burly man burst in, the door slamming back against the wall. "Shut up, nobody can hear you."

"I need to go to the toilet."

He nodded, his dark eyes peering out from the narrow slit of his balaclava. He reached for his belt, and pulled off a set of keys. As I sat up, he pulled the sack over my head, and led me down what must have been a passageway.

My hands were handcuffed to a rail. The guy snarled loudly. "The toilets behind you. I'm closing the door. Call out when you're finished."

From "Kidnapped" by Cagivagirl

It seems abuse of women is no problem when it's in one of your stories.
And don't tell me this isn't sexual abuse and therfore doesn't count.
It's violence against a woman.
If we're worried that people will be so influenced by the fiction they read, that they will commit crimes, it appears that you're inspiring the kidnapping and captivity of women.

This story should be banned.

Of

"My hands were handcuffed to a steel bedhead, my feet to the base. I wriggled until the pain proved that was a wasted exercise. The harder I snatched and pulled on the cuffs. All I got for that effort was more pain, and now there was blood seeping from a cut the handcuffs opened on my wrists.

I lay back on the bed, my eyes taking in my surroundings. An old farmhouse was my first thought. Much like ones I'd seen time and again in movies. The windows, were big, the battens nailed across them did filter out some light. The room was shabby, flaking wallpaper, mold around the corners of the ceiling. It smelt musty, as if it hadn't been used in a very long time.

In the corner sat an old child's cot, again unused. Well not for a long time anyway.

I had far more urgent needs, if I didn't get to a toilet quickly, I was going to embarrass myself.

"Help, somebody please. Help, me." My screams grew in intensity, my bladder straining to hold.

The bedroom door burst open, and a large burly man burst in, the door slamming back against the wall. "Shut up, nobody can hear you."

"I need to go to the toilet."

He nodded, his dark eyes peering out from the narrow slit of his balaclava. He reached for his belt, and pulled off a set of keys. As I sat up, he pulled the sack over my head, and led me down what must have been a passageway.

My hands were handcuffed to a rail. The guy snarled loudly. "The toilets behind you. I'm closing the door. Call out when you're finished."

From "Kidnapped" by Cagivagirl

It seems abuse of women is no problem when it's in one of your stories.
And don't tell me this isn't sexual abuse and therfore doesn't count.
It's violence against a woman.
If we're worried that people will be so influenced by the fiction they read, that they will commit crimes, it appears that you're inspiring the kidnapping and captivity of women.

This story should be banned.

Off_base

If it so incensed you then report it and get it removed...

If you read the story, and it caused you distress, and made you feel uncomfortable. Then you're right. It should be banned...
No argument from me.

Cagivagurl

 

[Cagivagurl]

So fucking busted.

@Cagivagurl ~ don't ever bother getting into these discussions again. Save yourself the embarrassment. Your righteous indignation works against you every time.

Perhaps save you insults until you've actually read it...

LOL...

Six year olds... So much bother....

Cagivagurl

 

[Off_base]

If it so incensed you then report it and get it removed...

If you read the story, and it caused you distress, and made you feel uncomfortable. Then you're right. It should be banned...
No argument from me.

Cagivagurl

Unlike you, I was being sarcastic about banning your story. I actually liked it.
Maybe your fans are more tolerant of fictional abuse than you are?

 

[Off_base]

Perhaps save you insults until you've actually read it...

LOL...

Six year olds... So much bother....

Cagivagurl

Your bio, for example.

 

[cw5523729]

Perhaps save you insults until you've actually read it...

LOL...

Six year olds... So much bother....

Cagivagurl

I'm in the middle of reading it now. I'm still on page one but so far we have the shitty husband and shitty male kidnapper. Oh, and we have the female kidnapper but she's just totally cool 'cuz, well, it's a "she" I guess?

"I hope you slept well?" She asked. It wasn't fake, it was real empathy, care.
"Surprisingly, yes." I answered. "Can you tell me what's happening, why I am here?"

That's totally how I'd respond to my kidnapper.

Oh, and for some reason we have 3 mentions of using the toilet before the half-way point of page one. I'm not sure if this would be better classified as water-sports but I'll keep reading before I judge.

 

[cw5523729]

And this is what I don't like about the site's stupid "victim has to enjoy it" rule. Art sheds light on life. If it is not allowed to, then it tells a lie about life. Propagandists know this. That is why censorship is their biggest tool. So now that only happy rape is allowed on lit, non-con stories here overall paint a rosy picture of rape, the exact opposite of what the site wants or should want. It's so stupid.

I don't recall if you already participated in it but there's a lot of discussion regarding that exact topic in this thread: https://forum.literotica.com/threads/code-of-conduct.1643850

 

[cw5523729]

At one time, I used to troll the DoorDash sub on Reddit. It was like watching a train wreck - awful and yet you can't look away.

This showed up in my email this morning as a suggested thread for r/doordash_drivers



@Kelliezgirl

 

[Cagivagurl]

Unlike you, I was being sarcastic about banning your story. I actually liked it.
Maybe your fans are more tolerant of fictional abuse than you are?

No I doubt anybody that read that story found it 'Glorifying' the abuse...
I have suggested that abuse shouldn't be depicted in stories... It happens, it's part of life...

My line in the sand is when the abuse is depicted in a sexually gratuitous manner.

Oh, and thanks for the in depth review. You probably spent more time on it than I did...

Cagivagurl

 

[cw5523729]

No I doubt anybody that read that story found it 'Glorifying' the abuse...
I have suggested that abuse shouldn't be depicted in stories... It happens, it's part of life...

My line in the sand is when the abuse is depicted in a sexually gratuitous manner.

Oh, and thanks for the in depth review. You probably spent more time on it than I did...

Cagivagurl

Oh, so it's only glorifying rape that you take an issue with, not the realistic depiction of it? Which is already banned on here anyway. So your point is....?

Or do you just assume that every other author that talks about rape must be an evil sociopath that loves rape. Unlike you, pure like the driven snow.

 

[Cagivagurl]

I'm in the middle of reading it now. I'm still on page one but so far we have the shitty husband and shitty male kidnapper. Oh, and we have the female kidnapper but she's just totally cool 'cuz, well, it's a "she" I guess?

"I hope you slept well?" She asked. It wasn't fake, it was real empathy, care.
"Surprisingly, yes." I answered. "Can you tell me what's happening, why I am here?"

That's totally how I'd respond to my kidnapper.

Oh, and for some reason we have 3 mentions of using the toilet before the half-way point of page one. I'm not sure if this would be better classified as water-sports but I'll keep reading before I judge.

Hmmmm, do you not use the toilet???
Is going to the loo something that offends you???

Cagivagurl

 

[cw5523729]

Hmmmm, do you not use the toilet???
Is going to the loo something that offends you???

Cagivagurl

Well, at that rate I'd have to pee 30 times before I reached the end of your story. Your protagonist must have a bladder the size of a chipmunk's.

 

[Off_base]

No I doubt anybody that read that story found it 'Glorifying' the abuse...
I have suggested that abuse shouldn't be depicted in stories... It happens, it's part of life...

My line in the sand is when the abuse is depicted in a sexually gratuitous manner.

Oh, and thanks for the in depth review. You probably spent more time on it than I did...

Cagivagurl

Hmmm.
A kidnapped woman falling for one of her captors, is the definition of glorifying the abuser.
I still liked your story.

 

[Cagivagurl]

Oh, so it's only glorifying rape that you take an issue with, not the realistic depiction of it? Which is already banned on here anyway. So your point is....?

My point is...
If you write a story where the abuse is shown in a sexually gratuitous fashion, making it titillating... where the violence is used as arousing, exciting...
Then yes that is the difference...

Cagivagurl

 

[cw5523729]

Hmmm.
A kidnapped woman falling for one of her captors, is the definition of glorifying the abuser.

Well, the female captor. Not that male jerk.

 

[cw5523729]

My point is...
If you write a story where the abuse is shown in a sexually gratuitous fashion, making it titillating... where the violence is used as arousing, exciting, exciting...
Then yes that is the difference...

Cagivagurl

K, but:

a) the whole point of this thread is discussing whether or not the entire NC category should be abolished on principle
b) glorifying rape is already a violation of the TOS as has been pointed out many times

So again....?

 

[cw5523729]

My point is...
If you write a story where the abuse is shown in a sexually gratuitous fashion, making it titillating... where the violence is used as arousing, exciting...
Then yes that is the difference...

Cagivagurl

Or perhaps you want to share with the class an example of a story on here glorifying rape? Since, I assume, there must be many, easily found.

 

[Cagivagurl]

Hmmm.
A kidnapped woman falling for one of her captors, is the definition of glorifying the abuser.
I still liked your story.

No, I disagree. No surprise there I guess.
Apparently it happens... There's even a term for it.

Cagivagurl

 

[cw5523729]

No, I disagree. No surprise there I guess.
Apparently it happens... There's even a term for it.

Cagivagurl

Ahhhh, so your character "got something out of the assault" and, as such, that's why it's ok?

BTW, it's Stockholm Syndrome. I'm not sure many other people would use that as a justification for sexual assault and kidnapping, but you do you.