Western Civilization Depends On Men And Masculinity

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
We can see the example in your country where the big, muscular men are the problem, not the law enforcement solution!

So how do you make those big muscular men not be what you believe to be the problem?

The incident linked was the news account of someone who was supposed to be enforcing the law murdering an innocent citizen. That police officer was arrested by, tried and sentenced by people in authority, many of whom were much less muscular!

Your nation should be a nation of laws, not a nation of thugs!

 

[Cly_Anders]

You are too harsh.
Try wearing a skirt then you can pee while standing. In France they had, still have at some places, these fancy toilets which are basically a ceramic plate with a hole in the middle. Just stand over it and let it flow. Don't wear panties or aim well.

I have tried standing to pee several times and in several varieties of standing and squatting. The pee always runs down my legs and into my shoe!. I will never not wear panties AND shorts under a skirt. That's just not my kink. I'll wear girl clothes... over my boy clothes.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

I have tried standing to pee several times and in several varieties of standing and squatting. The pee always runs down my legs and into my shoe!. I will never not wear panties AND shorts under a skirt. That's just not my kink. I'll wear girl clothes... over my boy clothes.

Use two fingers to spread a little, the rest of just trial and error. And training.
Isn't it great what one can learn at a youth camp?

 

[HisArpy]

Yes, obviously civilizations exist beyond laws

Modern civilizations exist and are guided by technology and laws. If laws restrict how people operate then their contributions to the overall well being are restricted.

Women have consistently been restricted over all of history...not by choice but by mandate.

Ok then, let's go with your premise that men have made women 2nd class citizens by creating laws that limit them in society (remember though, this thread is about western civilization, not society, so we're going afield here).

Those laws (if they exist at all) were likely created to protect rather than reduce anyone's standing in society. For example, in UAW v. Johnson Controls, the company created a policy whereby women would not be hired for any position which involved the use of lead or was in a position where lead vapor was present. This was their "Fetal Protection Policy" because lead is a known problem for fetal/child brain development.

The UAW sued and won on the basis that this discriminated against women.

So, let's raise the underlying conflict. Were the "rules" created to put women into 2nd class categories? Or were those "rules" created to PROTECT THEM?

This is just 1 example of where laws/rules were created so that women wouldn't be placed into harm's way.

 

[ll74]

Ok then, let's go with your premise that men have made women 2nd class citizens by creating laws that limit them in society (remember though, this thread is about western civilization, not society, so we're going afield here).

Those laws (if they exist at all) were likely created to protect rather than reduce anyone's standing in society. For example, in UAW v. Johnson Controls, the company created a policy whereby women would not be hired for any position which involved the use of lead or was in a position where lead vapor was present. This was their "Fetal Protection Policy" because lead is a known problem for fetal/child brain development.

It was in the Constitution, which is why an Amendment was needed.

Multiple other societies in the west have had similar restrictions.

The UAW sued and won on the basis that this discriminated against women.

So, let's raise the underlying conflict. Were the "rules" created to put women into 2nd class categories? Or were those "rules" created to PROTECT THEM?

This is just 1 example of where laws/rules were created so that women wouldn't be placed into harm's way.

Lol.

 

[Hel_Books]

For example, in UAW v. Johnson Controls, the company created a policy whereby women would not be hired for any position which involved the use of lead or was in a position where lead vapor was present. This was their "Fetal Protection Policy" because lead is a known problem for fetal/child brain development.

The UAW sued and won on the basis that this discriminated against women.

So, let's raise the underlying conflict. Were the "rules" created to put women into 2nd class categories? Or were those "rules" created to PROTECT THEM?

This is just 1 example of where laws/rules were created so that women wouldn't be placed into harm's way.

Gosh, imagine if there were women making the laws back then and they'd required lead levels to be kept low enough that the world would be safe both for men and women!

You sound like the swinging-testicle idiots who said women shouldn't compete in sports because it might injure their female organs!

 

[HisArpy]

It was in the Constitution, which is why an Amendment was needed.

Multiple other societies in the west have had similar restrictions.


Lol.

AGAIN, the thread is about Western Civilization, not society. All I did was show you that society often has reasons to restrict people's participation in certain areas. You might not agree with those restrictions, but often there's a rational basis for them, as my illustration with Johnson Controls shows.

 

[HisArpy]

Gosh, imagine if there were women making the laws back then and they'd required lead levels to be kept low enough that the world would be safe both for men and women!

You sound like the swinging-testicle idiots who said women shouldn't compete in sports because it might injure their female organs!

^someone doesn't understand how toxic lead is to fetal/child development. Which is why it was banned for use in paint because even small chips of dried paint are very bad.

 

[HisArpy]

Use two fingers to spread a little, the rest of just trial and error. And training.
Isn't it great what one can learn at a youth camp?

So you recommend that women pee on their hand just to prove women can pee standing up?

Jebus...

 

[Hel_Books]

AGAIN, the thread is about Western Civilization, not society. All I did was show you that society often has reasons to restrict people's participation

Of course! Got to keep those people without Y chromosomes, those people with dark skins, those people of the "wrong" sexual orientation, those people identifying as the "wrong" sex, those people not of the "proper" religion etc. etc. etc. from "participating"!

Otherwise you little snowflakes might get your panties in a twist, no?

 

[Meekly_Anna]

So you recommend that women pee on their hand just to prove women can pee standing up?

Jebus...

What can you actually do?
Leave women's urination to women.

 

[HisArpy]

The incident linked was the news account of someone who was supposed to be enforcing the law murdering an innocent citizen. That police officer was arrested by, tried and sentenced by people in authority, many of whom were much less muscular!

Your nation should be a nation of laws, not a nation of thugs!

So you use force of arms? Because the jurors certainly didn't do anything themselves other than render their verdict, now did they?

 

[HisArpy]

Of course! Got to keep those people without Y chromosomes, those people with dark skins, those people of the "wrong" sexual orientation, those people identifying as the "wrong" sex, those people not of the "proper" religion etc. etc. etc. from "participating"!

Otherwise you little snowflakes might get your panties in a twist, no?

Civilization is the topic, not society. Please try to keep up.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Gosh, imagine if there were women making the laws back then and they'd required lead levels to be kept low enough that the world would be safe both for men and women!

You sound like the swinging-testicle idiots who said women shouldn't compete in sports because it might injure their female organs!

^someone doesn't understand how toxic lead is to fetal/child development. Which is why it was banned for use in paint because even small chips of dried paint are very bad.

^someone doesn't understand that lead was banned in paint because it's bad for everyone. Otherwise there'd be lead paint for use in locations like male locker rooms!

 

[HisArpy]

What can you actually do?
Leave women's urination to women.

Me? What can I actually do?

Well, for one, I can write my name in the snow...

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Of course! Got to keep those people without Y chromosomes, those people with dark skins, those people of the "wrong" sexual orientation, those people identifying as the "wrong" sex, those people not of the "proper" religion etc. etc. etc. from "participating"!

Otherwise you little snowflakes might get your panties in a twist, no?

Civilization is the topic, not society. Please try to keep up.

And it just so important for your idea of civilisation that certain people be kept down, no?

 

[Hel_Books]

Me? What can I actually do?

Well, for one, I can write my name in the snow...

Good sanitary habits take time to learn, especially for people with Y chromosomes!

 

[HisArpy]

And it just so important for your idea of civilisation that certain people be kept down, no?

Civilization is the topic, not society and the rules of society. AGAIN, please try to keep up.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Me? What can I actually do?

Well, for one, I can write my name in the snow...

Cool.
Crown on m of civilization, aren't we.
Well, I can do the same. I just need to drink a lot beforehand. And I write bigger.
On the other hand, that's not the only thing in my life a can be proud of.

 

[HisArpy]

Cool.
Crown on m of civilization, aren't we.
Well, I can do the same. I just need to drink a lot beforehand. And I write bigger.
On the other hand, that's not the only thing in my life a can be proud of.

Yes, but my name is legible and looks like real writing when I'm done and no ones shoes were ever in danger of being soaked.

And if you go outside and hike your skirt while wiggling your hips, someone might get the wrong impression about what you're doing.

Plus it's not a very good Hula impression.

 

[DraggonStone]

What can you actually do?
Leave women's urination to women.

He's just trying to get you to pee on him by challenging you to prove it

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
And it just so important for your idea of civilisation that certain people be kept down, no?

Civilization is the topic, not society and the rules of society. AGAIN, please try to keep up.

Not sure where you're going with this idée fixe. You seem to think your civilisation works on men and masculinity. You've been proven wrong again and again by posters here and now you seek to blow smoke up everyone's arse by whining, "But I'm talking about civilisation and you're only talking about society!"

The topic is civilisation, not blowing smoke, snowflake. Please try to keep up!

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes, but my name is legible and looks like real writing when I'm done and no ones shoes were ever in danger of being soaked.

You’ve literally made this into a pissing contest!

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Yes, but my name is legible and looks like real writing when I'm done and no ones shoes were ever in danger of being soaked.

And if you go outside and hike your skirt while wiggling your hips, someone might get the wrong impression about what you're doing.

Plus it's not a very good Hula impression.

Ah, is someone jealous because I can touch a vagina and you can't?

 

[Hel_Books]

Meekly_Anna said:
What can you actually do?
Leave women's urination to women.

He's just trying to get you to pee on him by challenging you to prove it

Putin probably has a pee tape of him, just like he has of President Bone Spur.