Leftists Feign Sympathy For Autistic Babies They’d Happily Abort

[AlexBailey]

Sure, it's not impossible. It likely requires travel (and I don't mean going on a cruise) or being young. Or reading books rather than looking at the internet.

Or, as history shows us, to be betrayed from within the cult (ie committing suicide in the bunker or, preferably, fleeing abroad to Moscow or the UAE...though we're a long way from that yet...).

These guys are old men, for the most part. They aren't changing. Asking them to think is asking them to be different from their friends and family. Why would they do that?

It's far more important for people to feel part of their tribe - and all the security and certainty that brings - than to think differently.

We all die alone.

I’ve seen epiphanies in the last months of a few former conservatives. Even my filthy rich in-laws are reconsidering what truth is. They recently told my wife that of everyone in the family, she is the most Christ-like because of how she sees homeless people as people who are worth care and respect, not as garbage to be taken out.

My conservative Catholic stepfather finally saw through Trump’s lies and reflected on the 10 commandments. He was no democrat but he knew he couldn’t righteously support such a man.

 

[Baztrachian]

The evidence is that if tests are carried out on people displaying signs of neurodiversity, neurodiversity will be found in higher numbers than if no tests are performed. Societies where more Tylenol is consumed also perform more testing.
Autism is found in societies where people put cheese on their beefburgers. Where people cannot afford to eat cheese and burgers in the same meal they cannot afford testing. Therefore autism is caused by cheeseburgers.

So you only like the science that gives you the answers you like. Noted.

 

[Baztrachian]

Okay, here you go. Turn on your brain:

The previous studies showed a correlation (not causation) of heavy acetaminophen use and autism, with a heightened risk during the earliest stages of pregnancy.

Acetaminophen has a half life that would not last from the first trimester to birth (when the umbilical cord samples were taken) so the cord samples reflect only recent use of the medication.


Now try to grasp this:

* Pregnant women who have high fevers are more likely to have children with autism regardless of whether or not they have taken Acetaminophen.

* Acetaminophen is recommended for pregnant women who have high fevers.

From the study you cited:

“The present study has some limitations. First, it only included a 1-time measurement of cord acetaminophen metabolites at birth. Given that the half-life of acetaminophen in adults is less than 3 hours,44 the cord plasma measurement may at most reflect maternal use of acetaminophen during the peripartum period.”


But hey, if Trump and RFK Jr say so, it’s good enough for you.

You asked:

I’ve been waiting for a conservative to cite where science has shown that Tylenol causes autism.

And I gave it to you.

Given that you didn't really want to see any actual science on this subject because it clearly interferes with your deeply held emotional narrative then there's not much else I can do for you.

 

[AlexBailey]

You asked:



And I gave it to you.

Given that you didn't really want to see any actual science on this subject because it clearly interferes with your deeply held emotional narrative then there's not much else I can do for you.

I read what you linked and quoted the report.

Since you seem to only read headlines; the report doesn’t say that Tylenol causes autism. It says there is a correlation- not causation. Is this all over your head?

For some reason Trump and co are holding onto a belief and cherry-picking studies that still don’t actually support their claims. They are spinning facts to serve their narrative, not providing scientific proof.

The closest thing to proof they provided is scientist saying more study is needed. Do you refute this?

 

[Bray123]

So you only like the science that gives you the answers you like. Noted.

You missed the point.

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

We all die alone.

I’ve seen epiphanies in the last months of a few former conservatives. Even my filthy rich in-laws are reconsidering what truth is. They recently told my wife that of everyone in the family, she is the most Christ-like because of how she sees homeless people as people who are worth care and respect, not as garbage to be taken out.

My conservative Catholic stepfather finally saw through Trump’s lies and reflected on the 10 commandments. He was no democrat but he knew he couldn’t righteously support such a man.

That's great. I think all you can do on a personal level is to model the kind of behavior that is admirable to all: gain trust, don't try to convince anyone. You can't change anyone's mind, they have to change their own and they'll do it in private.

Usually, if you simply ask questions, people will eventually realize they don't have the answers to back up their points of view.

Admittedly the tone here is pretty aggressive - it's not really conducive to reasoned conversation! - but look at some of the more persistent rightwingers here:

- Skybubble simply says any conflicting evidence is a lie - then repeats himself. Never engages with the substance of what you say.
- Baztrachian can't bring himself to say that he was wrong to like a post calling migrants cockroaches. I called him out for this in the Author's Hangout, a community I suspect he would like to be included in, and he just couldn't do it.
- Saint_Ann, to my knowledge, has never, ever conceded that someone else has a point.
- ChloeTzang is cheerfully racist and is determined to pretend that cities are extremely dangerous places - despite the evidence that billions of people live in them happily - because it's important to her that diversity of race and religion can never succeed.

This is the behavior of people who are desperately insecure. Only secure people are generous enough to concede a point or find common ground or reserve judgment until they've observed reality.

This website is probably the only place they ever hear alternate views. And that's great. They're not here to hear those views though - they come here to the PB because it makes them feel good to reinforce and impose their own.

If, however, you can get people talking about a non-partisan subject, then somehow you can find that precious common ground.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Admittedly the tone here is pretty aggressive - it's not really conducive to reasoned conversation!

Most folks that spend a considerable amount of time here aren't really trying to debate.

They're here to goad. This is called 'fun'.

I think there is middle ground to be found. But you probably won't find it here.

 

[Baztrachian]

The closest thing to proof they provided is scientist the legal department disclaimer saying more study is needed.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Although autism is a disability that can’t be detected in the womb, leftists advocate abortion for similar disabilities, such as Down syndrome. But after Trump’s announcement, leftists are pretending to have compassion for the disabled.

Every teenage girl or woman who has an abortion is a teenage girl or a woman who is pregnant with a child she does not want to raise.

SkyBubble, what do you intend to do with all these unwanted children? I do not see a lot of anti abortion people lining up to adopt them.

Also, if anti abortion people really were pro life they would be in favor of socialized medicine. Countries with socialized medicine have lower rates of infant mortality, higher rates of life expectancy, and spend less per capital on health care than we do. Nevertheless, the vast majority of anti abortion people are also opposed to socialized medicine.

The real issue here is sex outside of marriage. Anti abortion people want sexually active teenage girls and women to be punished with unwanted pregnancies.

I am in favor of tax funded abortion on demand because I have no interest in raising a child that is not mine, and I think there are already too many people on this planet.

 

[Sean Renaud]

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This is hilariously wrong. Our mastery of the facts and ability to bring receipts are pretty peerless. The problem is the Republicans have no interest in facts. Our arguments are always fact based. Its one of our genuine weaknessess is that we're talking numbers not about fees. I'm seriously starting to think the only people who watch CNN or MSNBC are the Right so they can pretend someone gives a shit about what Whoopi Goldberg said this week. Then just to be honest actors we go and watch the entire fucking segment and either tell you she was out of line or more likely within context she's not wrong. But that's just us.

You ARE racists and it past time we stopped pretending you have a more compilated rationale behind what you do and don't do.

 

[Bn2f]

That's great. I think all you can do on a personal level is to model the kind of behavior that is admirable to all: gain trust, don't try to convince anyone. You can't change anyone's mind, they have to change their own and they'll do it in private.

Usually, if you simply ask questions, people will eventually realize they don't have the answers to back up their points of view.

Admittedly the tone here is pretty aggressive - it's not really conducive to reasoned conversation! - but look at some of the more persistent rightwingers here:

- Skybubble simply says any conflicting evidence is a lie - then repeats himself. Never engages with the substance of what you say.
- Baztrachian can't bring himself to say that he was wrong to like a post calling migrants cockroaches. I called him out for this in the Author's Hangout, a community I suspect he would like to be included in, and he just couldn't do it.
- Saint_Ann, to my knowledge, has never, ever conceded that someone else has a point.
- ChloeTzang is cheerfully racist and is determined to pretend that cities are extremely dangerous places - despite the evidence that billions of people live in them happily - because it's important to her that diversity of race and religion can never succeed.

This is the behavior of people who are desperately insecure. Only secure people are generous enough to concede a point or find common ground or reserve judgment until they've observed reality.

This website is probably the only place they ever hear alternate views. And that's great. They're not here to hear those views though - they come here to the PB because it makes them feel good to reinforce and impose their own.

If, however, you can get people talking about a non-partisan subject, then somehow you can find that precious common ground.

Most folks that spend a considerable amount of time here aren't really trying to debate.

They're here to goad. This is called 'fun'.

I think there is middle ground to be found. But you probably won't find it here.

GC, I think, did a fairly good job of pointing towards a middle ground but did an even better job of stating how being conciliatory in the face of ingrained obstinance is a lost cause. YOU strive to want to be able to pull that off - you fail because it’s so much easier for you to be so called ‘fair’ being judgmental of the left than you can be for the right. You can solve this all by stating who you voted for and what you, as an American (I think) stand for now. It’s ok if you voted trump and don’t like what’s been occurring since. Man up, accept responsibility and we move on together. You want the folks to accept your seeming neutrality without any taking on of responsibility. You, sir, are a coward.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The real issue here is sex outside of marriage. Anti abortion people want sexually active teenage girls and women to be punished with unwanted pregnancies.

I am in favor of tax funded abortion on demand because I have no interest in raising a child that is not mine, and I think there are already too many people on this planet.

Even within marriage that doesn't mean the couple are in a financial position to raise a (another) child. I'm with you on abortion part though too many people is at this point subjective.

 

[Baztrachian]

This is hilariously wrong. Our master of the facts and ability to bring reciepts are pretty peerless. The problem is the Republicans have no interest in facts. Our arguments are always fact based. Its one of our genuine weaknessess is that we're talking numbers not about fees. I'm seriously starting to think the only people who watch CNN or MSNBC are the Right so they can pretend someone gives a shit about what Whoopi Goldberg said this week. Then just to be honest actors we go and watch the entire fucking segment and either tell you she was out of line or more likely within context she's not wrong. But that's just us.

You ARE racists and it past time we stopped pretending you have a more compliated rationale behind what you do and don't do.

Your post is entirely composed of subjective opinions.

 

[Baztrachian]

Even within marriage that doesn't mean the couple are in a financial position to raise a (another) child. I'm with you on abortion part though too many people is at this point subjective.

English not is primary language you for?

 

[Sean Renaud]

English not is primary language you for?

It is. And you understood what I meant. You're just being a douche cus its fun.

 

[Baztrachian]

You're just being a douche cus its fun.

See? We agree on something!

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

I think there is middle ground to be found. But you probably won't find it here.

Curiously, I think this place is exactly where a middle ground could be found.

I mean, if we had a conversation about whether Yosemite should be protected or how children rebel against their parents or whether healthcare should be more affordable then we’d find plenty of common ground.

A lot of people might not be interested in those conversations - because there’s no goading to be had - but everyone could partake. People would respect each other’s input. It’s even conceivable I might not feel the need to be rude to Baztrachian.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

GC, I think, did a fairly good job of pointing towards a middle ground but did an even better job of stating how being conciliatory in the face of ingrained obstinance is a lost cause. YOU strive to want to be able to pull that off - you fail because it’s so much easier for you to be so called ‘fair’ being judgmental of the left than you can be for the right. You can solve this all by stating who you voted for and what you, as an American (I think) stand for now. It’s ok if you voted trump and don’t like what’s been occurring since. Man up, accept responsibility and we move on together. You want the folks to accept your seeming neutrality without any taking on of responsibility. You, sir, are a coward.

And you like to ascribe things to me.

I'm American.

I'm not neutral. I consider myself Independent.

I owe you nothing. You are words on a screen. But I support your Right to be an anonymous asshat.

 

[AlexBailey]

Yeah, just edit the inconvenient stuff.

How MAGA of you.

 

[Bn2f]

And you like to ascribe things to me.

I'm American.

I'm not neutral. I consider myself Independent.

I owe you nothing. You are words on a screen. But I support your Right to be an anonymous asshat.

You’re no independent. You’re no moderate. You can’t/have never been able to state an opposing opinion unless it’s one being critical of the left. Thats YOUR history here. I, personally, have a more serious issue with you and yours than MAGAts if you say you’re an independent thinking American and can take issue with Harris like this:

They lost because more Republicans voted. Also Kamala "Word Salad" Harris was their choice to replace President Biden…”

But have NOT A GODDAMN THING TO SAY as a demented addled trump tramples on individual rights and protects predators of children.

How is that being an independent? It’s not. You, again, are a fuckin coward.

 

[Bn2f]

Curiously, I think this place is exactly where a middle ground could be found.

I mean, if we had a conversation about whether Yosemite should be protected or how children rebel against their parents or whether healthcare should be more affordable then we’d find plenty of common ground.

A lot of people might not be interested in those conversations - because there’s no goading to be had - but everyone could partake. People would respect each other’s input. It’s even conceivable I might not feel the need to be rude to Baztrachian.

GC! Lemme extend an overdue welcome to the PB! Howdy! Love your enthusiasm and the things you say!

Sorry, but I will respectfully continue be rude to Baz and TyFu here. They both have a history that I take issue with. Hope you stick around long enough and have them both display the un-American and unpatriotic cowardice that I and others have problems with.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

You’re no independent. You’re no moderate. You can’t/have never been able to state an opposing opinion unless it’s one being critical of the left. Thats YOUR history here. I, personally, have a more serious issue with you and yours than MAGAts if you say you’re an independent thinking American and can take issue with Harris like this:



But have NOT A GODDAMN THING TO SAY as a demented addled trump tramples on individual rights and protects predators of children.

How is that being an independent? It’s not. You, again, are a fuckin coward.

A ballroom at this time, even if he's paying for it, is a bad call.

I don't control anyone but myself.

 

[AlexBailey]

Your post is entirely composed of subjective opinions.

Even is over your head.

 

[Bn2f]

A ballroom at this time, even if he's paying for it, is a bad call.

I don't control anyone but myself.

Ok. Well you got me. I will acknowledge your criticism of this.

I mean, I point to civil liberties and the constitutional right of due process being ripped and you come back with a renovation issue, though I grant you, as it is, still an impeachable offense for violating the emoluments clause (he’s not paying, he’s soliciting corporate donations - just being factual about bribes and the selling of influence).

Hey, look!
If this is the start for you opening up to be more critical then, ignore my snark, I’ll take it

 

[AlexBailey]

A ballroom at this time, even if he's paying for it, is a bad call.

I don't control anyone but myself.

They’ve got to have somewhere to eat cake and play the fiddle.