2025 Nobel Prize in Literature leaving Chinese audiences greatly disappointed

[gxnn]

Chinese readers have waited for several nights, and some enthusiasts have even drafted acceptance speeches in advance for a Chinese writer who they believed must be the winner, yet they did not end up winning the Nobel Prize in Literature that they were so eager for.

Chinese people have a special complex about the Nobel Prize. They yearn for recognition from the world, especially the Western world, but on the other hand, they are unwilling to acknowledge some universal values, which makes them very conflicted. Especially after Japanese people have won various Nobel Prizes one after another year after year, Chinese people have been deeply stimulated and find it hard to accept compared with a small country.

However, when Nobel laureates actually belong to mainland China, they have not really received acceptance from the relevant mainstream circles. For example, Mo Yan, the Nobel Literature Prize winner in 2012, did not receive personal commendation from the official authorities, nor was there a grand ceremony to welcome this record-breaking writer. Another Nobel laureate, Tu Youyou, who has been awarded the highest honor in the world of science, was not eligible for membership in China's domestic academicians selection, which has become an even bigger joke.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Chinese readers have waited for several nights, and some enthusiasts have even drafted acceptance speeches in advance for a Chinese writer who they believed must be the winner, yet they did not end up winning the Nobel Prize in Literature that they were so eager for.

Chinese people have a special complex about the Nobel Prize. They yearn for recognition from the world, especially the Western world, but on the other hand, they are unwilling to acknowledge some universal values, which makes them very conflicted. Especially after Japanese people have won various Nobel Prizes one after another year after year, Chinese people have been deeply stimulated and find it hard to accept compared with a small country.

However, when Nobel laureates actually belong to mainland China, they have not really received acceptance from the relevant mainstream circles. For example, Mo Yan, the Nobel Literature Prize winner in 2012, did not receive personal commendation from the official authorities, nor was there a grand ceremony to welcome this record-breaking writer. Another Nobel laureate, Tu Youyou, who has been awarded the highest honor in the world of science, was not eligible for membership in China's domestic academicians selection, which has become an even bigger joke.

Shit can the CCP, establish a true functioning government responsible to the people and things will change.

 

[gxnn]

Shit can the CCP, establish a true functioning government responsible to the people and things will change.

Hello, I think you'd better stick to the point.

To start by negating a political party and everything it has done without conducting any investigation or analysis is not scientific, and the statements made in this way are hard to convince others.

I suppose much of the information you have comes from television and the internet in your country, not first-hand news. How do you verify that every statement made by those media outlets is true and objective?

Didn't your country's president Donald Trump criticize a group of TV stations dominated by the Democratic Party yesterday? It shows that every media outlet has its financial backers; once they take money from someone, they have to do things for that person.

As the Chinese saying goes, 'When you receive money from others, you help them eliminate disasters.' 'One's mouth is short when one eats from another's hand, and one's hands are short when one takes from another.'

I should have more authority to speak about the situation in my country China. Look at your country the United States of America—can it be considered in a normal state as a nation should be now? Government agencies have all shut down, and so many flights have been canceled. How dare you lecture others? Do you want to be the Emma Watson who tries to teach a lesson to JK Rowling?

If your government were really given the responsibility to manage 1.4 billion people, who knows what kind of chaos would ensue?

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

If your government were really given the responsibility to manage 1.4 billion people

The liberal Western tradition doesn't view it as the role of government to 'manage' the populace. Key difference there.

 

[gxnn]

The liberal Western tradition doesn't view it as the role of government to 'manage' the populace. Key difference there.

What you said isn't entirely without reason. However, engaging in theoretical or methodological debates without considering the outcomes holds little significance for institutional management or state governance.

Even in a scenic area, if restrooms are not managed promptly, it will cause many people to be unable to use them in a timely manner. Perhaps this isn't an issue in your country because there aren't as many people as in China, and it's also not an issue in India because although there are as many people or more than in China, there aren't enough restrooms. They can pee and poo wherever they want.

As Mr. Deng Xiaoping, our chief architect of reform and opening up, said, it doesn't matter if it's a white cat or a black cat; a cat that can catch mice is a good cat. In fact, the idiom 'different paths leading to the same destination' has been known to people in China for a long time. The phrase also applies to all people, after all, everyone's final destination is either a cemetery or a crematorium.

 

[Rebel5soul]

What you said isn't entirely without reason. However, engaging in theoretical or methodological debates without considering the outcomes holds little significance for institutional management or state governance.

Even in a scenic area, if restrooms are not managed promptly, it will cause many people to be unable to use them in a timely manner. Perhaps this isn't an issue in your country because there aren't as many people as in China, and it's also not an issue in India because although there are as many people or more than in China, there aren't enough restrooms. They can pee and poo wherever they want.

As Mr. Deng Xiaoping, our chief architect of reform and opening up, said, it doesn't matter if it's a white cat or a black cat; a cat that can catch mice is a good cat. In fact, the idiom 'different paths leading to the same destination' has been known to people in China for a long time. The phrase also applies to all people, after all, everyone's final destination is either a cemetery or a crematorium.

Creative endeavors cannot be equated with infrastructure activities and the like. Great literature is virtually never the result when government approval is a consideration.

 

[icanhelp1]

Creative endeavors cannot be equated with infrastructure activities and the like. Great literature is virtually never the result when government approval is a consideration.

They can keep their fucking Nobel peace prize. Isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's lost it's luster!! Can anyone justify why Obama received one? The only ones I pay attention to are science and medicine, it's too bad for those deserving hard working scientist that the Prize has been diluted with political bullshit.

1. National Academy of Science
2. National Medal of Science
3.Kyoto Prize (int)
4. Fields Medal (int)
5. Turing Award (int)
6. Lasker Awards

You get the point. IMHO

 

[Rebel5soul]

They can keep their fucking Nobel peace prize. Isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's lost it's luster!! Can anyone justify why Obama received one? The only ones I pay attention to are science and medicine, it's too bad for those deserving hard working scientist that the Prize has been diluted with political bullshit.

1. National Academy of Science
2. National Medal of Science
3.Kyoto Prize (int)
4. Fields Medal (int)
5. Turing Award (int)
6. Lasker Awards

You get the point. IMHO

Of course. Go back through the list of recent winners.

 

[LeahWill]

They can keep their fucking Nobel peace prize. Isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's lost it's luster!! Can anyone justify why Obama received one? The only ones I pay attention to are science and medicine, it's too bad for those deserving hard working scientist that the Prize has been diluted with political bullshit.

1. National Academy of Science
2. National Medal of Science
3.Kyoto Prize (int)
4. Fields Medal (int)
5. Turing Award (int)
6. Lasker Awards

You get the point. IMHO

And it goes without saying that had Trump won this would still have been your opinion.

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

However, engaging in theoretical or methodological debates without considering the outcomes

I know the outcome of Communism, particularly Communism with one man rule (e.g., Stalin, Mao): Tens of millions of innocent people dead.

As Mr. Deng Xiaoping, our chief architect of reform and opening up, said, it doesn't matter if it's a white cat or a black cat; a cat that can catch mice is a good cat.

Xi has undone a lot of those reforms and is taking the PRC backwards, towards one man rule. It hopefully won’t end in anything as horrible as the Great Leap Forward but it definitely isn’t going to do the Chinese people any favors.

You’ve got one of the great civilizations in human history. You deserve better. I’m not so arrogant as to suggest you cut and paste our model, but there’s a better way, and I hope y’all figure it out before Xi’s cult of personality takes you to a truly dark place.

 

[icanhelp1]

And it goes without saying that had Trump won this would still have been your opinion.

It's been my opinion since Obama won it and Trump winning it wouldn't change my mind. I'd hope he turn it down to make a statement.

 

[gxnn]

I know the outcome of Communism, particularly Communism with one man rule (e.g., Stalin, Mao): Tens of millions of innocent people dead.

Xi has undone a lot of those reforms and is taking the PRC backwards, towards one man rule. It hopefully won’t end in anything as horrible as the Great Leap Forward but it definitely isn’t going to do the Chinese people any favors.

You’ve got one of the great civilizations in human history. You deserve better. I’m not so arrogant as to suggest you cut and paste our model, but there’s a better way, and I hope y’all figure it out before Xi’s cult of personality takes you to a truly dark place.

As I said before, what everyone is saying actually isn't without reason. It's just that each person has different horizons, knowledge, experiences, and abilities, so they form different views on the same issue or social phenomenon. This is perfectly normal and reasonable.

Regarding the performance of a (beeping sensitive-word) leader, similar situations are not isolated cases in Chinese and foreign history. Therefore, what will ultimately happen is actually very clear to him and most people; we don't need to worry about it for him. History may take a temporary detour or pause slightly because of one person, but as an old Chinese saying goes, 'The great river flows eastward,' which is something no one can stop.

I remember seeing a joke before where Adolf Hitler walks into a psychiatric hospital for an inspection and roars at a patient, 'You don't even recognize me! I am the number one in the world, the greatest person on earth!' After he leaves, the doctor smiles and says, 'Everyone who comes here starts out like that, but they get better after treatment.' Everyone knows he wasn't talking about the person lying in bed.

 

[dmallord]

They can keep their fucking Nobel peace prize. Isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's lost it's luster!! Can anyone justify why Obama received one? The only ones I pay attention to are science and medicine, it's too bad for those deserving hard working scientist that the Prize has been diluted with political bullshit.

1. National Academy of Science
2. National Medal of Science
3.Kyoto Prize (int)
4. Fields Medal (int)
5. Turing Award (int)
6. Lasker Awards

You get the point. IMHO

The fox and the grapes fable seems an appropriate reply to this.