To Heal Our Nation

[ChloeTzang]

Kirk wasn't doing that. Kirk was an asshole who supported a pedophile.

Ohhhh, sorry. Wrong emoji



Never mind, Phil. I know you're auditioning for a part in one of my little stories LOL. I'll give it some thought. Consider yourself honored. There are not many who make it to ths stage.

Only if you consent of course. Consent IS important.

 

[DanOkeffie]

Reading how Elon Musk is doing his level best to "fan the flames of intolerance".

The Twitter algorithm yesterday worked very hard, suppressing most of the comments from the left decrying the shooting of Charlie Kirk, instead seeking out lightly regarded and little known radical accounts that celebrated Charlie's death.

The outrage machine needed to be fed. and Elon's fascist social media site was going to give the fascists what they wanted: a reason to hate.

You are one mentally sick < human

 

[DanOkeffie]

Democrats need to roll back their hate-filled rhetoric publicly and repeatedly

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Democrats are defective

 

[DanOkeffie]

To heal America we must purge the left

 

[DanOkeffie]

Well, tghe differemce is that the Republicans AREN't Nazis, and the XDemocrats ARE communists or worse

Democrats are definitely defective. They block ice. They want to defund the police...the list is never ending

 

[Saint_Ann]

I've been hesitant to read this forum the last few days. I might end up taking a break from it for a while, though I can't promise it will be permanent (sorry.)

I'm just tired of all the negativity and all the hate.

Charlie Kirk preached a message of hate and intolerance, and it is unfortunate that he was able to gain such a wide platform to spread this message, or find such a large audience who was receptive to it.

So I'm supposed to be sad that he was assassinated? I just cant bring myself to feel sadness. Let's be clear, this was a toxic, sociopathic, and (at best) a very deeply flawed human being. Or should I be glad he's dead? Actually I am neither.

I am sad that the discourse in this country has reached such toxic levels. I am sad that people felt the need to resort to violence to silence their opponent. I am sad that there ARE opponents. I am sad that this man has become a martyr who died for such a dubious cause, and I'm sad that such divisive and angry speech has become so normalized. I decry political violence in ALL its forms, and yearn for an America that was more innocent and where people felt the need to build bridges, not fight each other (or use the government to leverage fighting each other.) It's not "The Radical Left" or "The Liberals" or "Conservatives" and "MAGA" anymore. We need to just go back to rediscovering our common, shared values again.

I guess, if there's any good to come out of this, both sides will learn to tone down the rhetoric and renounce violence, and perhaps a new Martin Luther King type, one who believes in building bridges and community, or a Ronald Reagan who (Despite some flawed domestic policies) will come along and lift all Americans up together, and work on behalf of all of us. Charlie Kirk was the diametric opposite of Martin Luther King, but that was not something that should not be celebrated.

I'm just tired of all the negativity and all the hate. To those of you who were fans of Kirk, I'm sorry for your loss, I really am. If nothing else, he was always a champion of free speech, even though I believe he abused that right, at least I agree with him there. But hopefully those who were his fans can find someone else who preaches a more universally positive and uplifting message (Neither "Liberal" nor what passes for "Conservative" these days) to follow in his wake.

That is all.

Good riddance!

 

[jomar]

Lets be clear here.

Charlie was a moderate who believed in coming together and debating and discussing issues. He NEVER advocated violence. He walys reached out to the other side.

He was the guy that wanted to bring us rogether and heal the country.

You killed him.

Now you have to deal with the rest of us, who aren't moderates and who don't give a shit for your feelings. As a country, we're not on a good path, but fuck it. That's where we are and the Left have only themse;ves to blame for what's inevitably coming.

You might want to revise your statement. It’s looking like Robinson hated Kirk because he wasn’t conservative enough.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Blimey, guv'nor, lemme break it down for ya, proper. When a geezer's on the gear, proper caned all the time, their mush gets proper mashed. It's like their boat's lost its rudder, innit?
Their brain, right, it's a bit of a gaff, and the drugs start rearranging the furniture, see? They get so far gone on the Charlie, the sniff, or whatever their poison is, that the chemicals in their head go completely pear-shaped. The bits that tell 'em what's real and what's just a load of old pony get all twisted up.
So, they start seeing things that ain't there, hearing whispers in the wind, proper wacko stuff. Their own mind starts playing 'em for a mug. They can't tell the difference between a real copper and a flying pig, know what I mean? The world they live in ain't the same world as everyone else's. It's a proper dark alley of their own making, all shadows and mad visions. It's a proper bleedin' tragedy, mate, a one-way ticket to nutterville.

Gents, Chloe, please stop abusing drugs. There not good for you.

 

[HisArpy]

The thing is, when I was a kid in the 80s, in the Reagan era, whenever the Charlie Kirks of the world tried to gain a foothold, they would be drowned out by voices across the political spectrum, Republican and Democrat, liberal and conservative alike, who would show up to protest such hate, intolerance and tyranny. Such fringe views were regarded as no more than that- and denounced by almost everyone.

It was a more innocent time. To Make America Great Again, which is what I desperately want, we need to go back to that.

And yes, left and right, Democrat and Republican, do not need to be glorifying his murder. We do NOT need to be celebrating it. I even give condolances to his family. We should treat it instead as they would have in the days when America was great, as a tragic death of a misguided and mentally unsound misfit who wished desperately to be heard, only to have his message rightfully rejected.

At the very least, we all can agree that he was a champion of free speech, even though I would argue he did not use his freedom of speech in a socially responsible way.

It seems to me that you don't know much, if anything, about what Charlie Kirk was doing.

He was, essentially, a living meme whereby he would show up and make a statement to the people and then ask anyone to prove him wrong. Many stepped up to the microphone, sometimes to the jeering of the crowd. When the crowd boo'd he'd tell them to stop because it takes courage to stand up for your ideals. And then he'd listen.

These are things YOU DO NOT DO.

Instead, what you do is deny, denigrate, and minimize his efforts with slurs and twists of facts. You lie and try to make it seem as if a man who is trying to make peace is so evil he had to die. And the result is that someone made that dream of yours come true.


In my lifetime, only 2 other people have stood up like Charlie Kirk did; JFK and MLK. Both were assassinated by those who believed that the words they spoke were so horrific that death was the only possible recourse they could use to silence their voices and their truths.

It has now happened a 3rd time. By the same believers of the same ideology, of which you and many others are adherents.

Congratulations, your socialism genocide total has now gone up by 1. I hope you're proud of yourself because I certainly am not.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

It seems to me that you don't know much, if anything, about what Charlie Kirk was doing.

He was, essentially, a living meme whereby he would show up and make a statement to the people and then ask anyone to prove him wrong. Many stepped up to the microphone, sometimes to the jeering of the crowd. When the crowd boo'd he'd tell them to stop because it takes courage to stand up for your ideals. And then he'd listen.

These are things YOU DO NOT DO.

Instead, what you do is deny, denigrate, and minimize his efforts with slurs and twists of facts. You lie and try to make it seem as if a man who is trying to make peace is so evil he had to die. And the result is that someone made that dream of yours come true.


In my lifetime, only 2 other people have stood up like Charlie Kirk did; JFK and MLK. Both were assassinated by those who believed that the words they spoke were so horrific that death was the only possible recourse they could use to silence their voices and their truths.

It has now happened a 3rd time. By the same believers of the same ideology, of which you and many others are adherents.

Congratulations, your socialism genocide total has now gone up by 1. I hope you're proud of yourself because I certainly am not.

I hereby declare that you are included to the group of people meant at my post advice.
Congratulations.
Tell the pink elephants I said hi.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Somebody figured they just might be part of the problem. I take this as a positive sign.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Somebody figured they just might be part of the problem. I take this as a positive sign.

I am proud of you. Self-awareness is the first step on the road to recovery.

 

[Lazaran]

Somebody figured they just might be part of the problem. I take this as a positive sign.

Saint_Ann Syndrome rears it’s ugly battered head…again…



Pax is a self admitted / identified LIFELONG REPUBLICAN who only moderated when they saw the REAL danger that is DonOld Trump & the MAGAts, so…

Pax MIGHT have “figured out they were part of the problem”, but that happened a while ago when Pax refused to support DonOld & the MAGAts after a lifetime of being a "CONSERVATIVE".



Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[YDB95]

Well, tghe differemce is that the Republicans AREN't Nazis, and the XDemocrats ARE communists or worse

People right here in this room prove you wrong every day, as far as the Republicans are concerned (look at the way RebelSoul talks about immigrants, just for ONE example).
And I have yet to hear of the first Democrat in this century (not just here but anywhere) who wants government to seize the means of production. That is what communism is, not just shorthand for "Chloe doesn't like it".

 

[Saint_Ann]

People right here in this room prove you wrong every day, as far as the Republicans are concerned (look at the way RebelSoul talks about immigrants, just for ONE example).
And I have yet to hear of the first Democrat in this century (not just here but anywhere) who wants government to seize the means of production. That is what communism is, not just shorthand for "Chloe doesn't like it".

Illegal immigrants.

 

[YDB95]

Illegal immigrants.

...have nothing to do with communism.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

America will never heal with trump as the pedophile president. His rhetoric and divisive talk is one of the factors that led to that smug asshole getting shot the other day.

 

[Saint_Ann]

...have nothing to do with communism.

I don't think he has a problem with legal immigrants, but you can ask him.

 

[YDB95]

I don't think he has a problem with legal immigrants, but you can ask him.

Legal or illegal, the point is, describing any group of our fellow human beings with words like "vermin" means comparisons to the Nazis are more than warranted.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Legal or illegal, the point is, describing any group of our fellow human beings with words like "vermin" means comparisons to the Nazis are more than warranted.

Don't you compare Trump supporters to Nazis?

 

[YDB95]

Don't you compare Trump supporters to Nazis?

You've lost the plot, as usual.
But the answer is yes, and I make no apologies for it.

 

[Saint_Ann]

You've lost the plot, as usual.
But the answer is yes, and I make no apologies for it.

So critizing someone for something you do yourself is ..what? Disingenuous?

 

[YDB95]

So critizing someone for something you do yourself is ..what? Disingenuous?

That's not what I was doing. My point was simply that comparing MAGAts to the Nazis is perfectly reasonable. Like I said, you've lost the plot - if you were ever following it to begin with.

 

[Saint_Ann]

That's not what I was doing. My point was simply that comparing MAGAts to the Nazis is perfectly reasonable. Like I said, you've lost the plot - if you were ever following it to begin with.

How is that the slightest bit reasonable? Is it the uniforms?

 

[Rickslaw101]

I've been hesitant to read this forum the last few days. I might end up taking a break from it for a while, though I can't promise it will be permanent (sorry.)

I'm just tired of all the negativity and all the hate.

Charlie Kirk preached a message of hate and intolerance, and it is unfortunate that he was able to gain such a wide platform to spread this message, or find such a large audience who was receptive to it.

So I'm supposed to be sad that he was assassinated? I just cant bring myself to feel sadness. Let's be clear, this was a toxic, sociopathic, and (at best) a very deeply flawed human being. Or should I be glad he's dead? Actually I am neither.

I am sad that the discourse in this country has reached such toxic levels. I am sad that people felt the need to resort to violence to silence their opponent. I am sad that there ARE opponents. I am sad that this man has become a martyr who died for such a dubious cause, and I'm sad that such divisive and angry speech has become so normalized. I decry political violence in ALL its forms, and yearn for an America that was more innocent and where people felt the need to build bridges, not fight each other (or use the government to leverage fighting each other.) It's not "The Radical Left" or "The Liberals" or "Conservatives" and "MAGA" anymore. We need to just go back to rediscovering our common, shared values again.

I guess, if there's any good to come out of this, both sides will learn to tone down the rhetoric and renounce violence, and perhaps a new Martin Luther King type, one who believes in building bridges and community, or a Ronald Reagan who (Despite some flawed domestic policies) will come along and lift all Americans up together, and work on behalf of all of us. Charlie Kirk was the diametric opposite of Martin Luther King, but that was not something that should not be celebrated.

I'm just tired of all the negativity and all the hate. To those of you who were fans of Kirk, I'm sorry for your loss, I really am. If nothing else, he was always a champion of free speech, even though I believe he abused that right, at least I agree with him there. But hopefully those who were his fans can find someone else who preaches a more universally positive and uplifting message (Neither "Liberal" nor what passes for "Conservative" these days) to follow in his wake.

That is all.

First you say:
"I'm just tired of all the negativity and all the hate."

and then you say:
"Charlie Kirk preached a message of hate and intolerance...Let's be clear, this was a toxic, sociopathic, and (at best) a very deeply flawed human being."

and THEN you say:
"I am sad that the discourse in this country has reached such toxic levels."

A double 180 in three paragraphs. Impressive. I think your decision to take some time off is a wise one. During your time off, see if you can find a single quote from Charlie embodying the "message of hate and intolerance" you attribute to him. Just one. If you don't come back until after you find it, well, I guess we'll never see you again. Bye-Bye.