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This is inaccurate.
"Hey, Fascist! Catch!" has no known connection to Fuentes or his movement. “Fascist” is mostly a left-wing insult in their eyes. Groypers see it as something liberals, mainstream conservatives, or “the establishment” throw around to shut down debate. Prominent groypers, such as podcaster Connor Betts (aka "Pinesap"), have self-identified as fascist without apparent shame.
The three arrows symbol is a symbol from the Social Democrats in Germany, often used by Antifa, the three arrows representing rejection of Communism, fascism, and monarchy. The Social Democrats are on the left.
"Bella Ciao" is an Italian anti-fascist song often used by Antifa. It has no known connection to Fuentes or Groypers.
A friend, family members, and the Governor all say he was a leftist. (The report on the friend comes from The Guardian, a left-leaning paper. The report is against their ideological interest.)
The claim that Fuentes called Kirk fascist is all based on second-hand information.
The alt-right’s collectivist, conflict-driven approach (e.g., race as a unifying struggle) mimics Marxist structures. Both woke left and alt-right are identity-based, not individual-based. Both see society as fundamentally about group conflict. The alt-right’s worldview is explicitly identity-based, emphasizing racial hierarchies and cultural exclusivity, often framing whites as victims of multiculturalism. This mirrors, in structure, the progressive left’s focus on identity groups.
Both Marxists and the alt-right seek to collapse society to impose their own visions. The alt-right isn’t truly “right.” Liberal democracy is the essence of what's called "right wing" philosophy. It's rooted in protecting the values that have worked for millennia, a free economy, government that restricts itself to (in Russell Kirk's words) "provid[ing] a tolerable degree of order so that liberty may flourish," and a strong, but not intrusive foreign and defense policy. It prefers equality under the law to "equity" and individual rights to groups. It si communitarian, but in a non-collectivist way. Marxists and alt-rightists oppose all of that.
The alt-right often critiques unchecked capitalism, favoring protectionist or statist policies. For instance, Spencer’s National Policy Institute opposes free markets. Marxists advocate abolishing private property and capitalism.
The alt-right envisions a strong state. The alt-right prioritizes group identity, as the "woke" left also does.
Both reject the old-school “legitimate right” (limited government, rule of law, individual liberty, free markets). They’re mirror-image tribal movements competing to replace classical liberalism and traditional conservatism.
