All the good job reports under ByeDumb were fake...didn’t I tell you so?

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[BabyBoomer50s]

Here is a contextual visual. It shows when the decline started around 2022 or 2023.

 

[Hel_Books]

So is President Trump going to claim the numbers are fake because the BLS is corrupt and he really did a good job?

Or is he going to claim that the corrupt BLS produced bad numbers but the bad numbers are reliable and are Biden's fault?

Or is he going to praise the new head of the BLS for producing the numbers that he wanted because he can blame Biden?

Or is he going to fire the new head of the BLS for not producing the numbers that he wanted?

Or is he just going to tell you all about his bistromathics?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965440174625554790

 

[Hel_Books]

Baghdad Bob, meet Baghdad Bessent!

 

[1984X2024]

Baghdad Bob, meet Baghdad Bessent!

LUNATIC

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

LUNATIC

At least HB is not disagreeing with the numbers. The sharp decline started under Biden.

 

[ll74]

Here is a contextual visual. It shows when the decline started around 2022 or 2023.

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The processes need to be reviewed to find the gaps.

I don't see how firing experienced folks helps with this.

 

[Bray123]

President Pedo is boasting about how many jobs he's cut, and how much he's increased taxes.

MAGAts live in a bizarre world.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

President Pedo is boasting about how many jobs he's cut, and how much he's increased taxes.

MAGAts live in a bizarre world.

The Big Beautiful Bill increased your taxes?

 

[Bray123]

The Big Beautiful Bill increased your taxes?

Tariffs are taxes. They are types of taxes, like Ford is a type of car.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Here is a contextual visual. It shows when the decline started around 2022 or 2023.

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JFC, you can’t even understand a graph.

First of all, that graph is moronic. It’s graphing the total 12 month revision as a data point for one quarter.

The fact that it is plotting revisions is dumb and pointless in itself. You’re pretending it plots job creation, but it doesn’t. It’s just the revisions of the job estimates.

Here’s an actually informative graph of employment in the US. The flatlining of growth didn’t happen until 2025.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Tariffs are taxes. They are types of taxes, like Ford is a type of car.

Yes, tariffs are a tax levied on businesses that import goods. Businesses also pay corporate income taxes.

Have your federal taxes increased this year?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

JFC, you can’t even understand a graph.

First of all, that graph is moronic. It’s graphing the total 12 month revision as a data point for one quarter.

The fact that it is plotting revisions is dumb and pointless in itself. You’re pretending it plots job creation, but it doesn’t. It’s just the revisions of the job estimates.

Here’s an actually informative graph of employment in the US. The flatlining of growth didn’t happen until 2025.

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Maybe this chart published in the NYT today will help you. Like the previous chart I shared, source data comes from BLS. As you can see, things started looking bad in 2023.

 

[Bray123]

Yes, tariffs are a tax levied on businesses that import goods. Businesses also pay corporate income taxes.

Have your federal taxes increased this year?

Did President Biden ever boast about raising taxes like Trump does?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Did President Biden ever boast about raising taxes like Trump does?

Since you’ve chosen to avoid the question I asked you, I’lll answer it for you. I’ll also answer the question you asked me.

Your tax federal burden has not increased under President Trump. You’re getting a tax cut effective in 2026.

Biden did raise tariffs, but I don’t know if he boasted about it. He promised to raise income taxes on businesses and people in the top marginal tax bracket but he never delivered on that promise.

 

[ll74]

Since you’ve chosen to avoid the question I asked you, I’lll answer it for you. I’ll also answer the question you asked me.

Your tax federal burden has not increased under President Trump. You’re getting a tax cut effective in 2026.

Biden did raise tariffs, but I don’t know if he boasted about it. He promised to raise income taxes on businesses and people in the top marginal tax bracket but he never delivered on that promise.

That depends on whether tariffs have impacted the price of goods they purchase. That may mean their federal taxes have significantly risen or not at all.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Maybe this chart published in the NYT today will help you. Like the previous chart I shared, source data comes from BLS. As you can see, things started looking bad in 2023.

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You still don’t understand your own graphs.

• The latest revision says absolutely nothing about 2023 or early 2024. Pretending that the 3 million jobs created in 2023 was bad is dumb.
• Read the note at the bottom of the graph. It presumes the downward revision was spread evenly over the 12 months. In fact the revision may impact 2025 more than 2024. We don’t know because the monthly numbers weren’t released.

Rather than the continuing job growth shown in that graph, it’s possible (likely?) that employment actually declined in 2025 when Trump had his tariff tantrums.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Your tax federal burden has not increased under President Trump.

Nonsense. The TrumpTariffs are the largest tax increase on Americans since the 1960s.

Biden did raise tariffs, but I don’t know if he boasted about it.

Trump boasted about his TrumpTariffs. He said they are “making us rich”. Classic doublespeak.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You still don’t understand your own graphs.

• The latest revision says absolutely nothing about 2023 or early 2024. Pretending that the 3 million jobs created in 2023 was bad is dumb.
• Read the note at the bottom of the graph. It presumes the downward revision was spread evenly over the 12 months. In fact the revision may impact 2025 more than 2024. We don’t know because the monthly numbers weren’t released.

Rather than the continuing job growth shown in that graph, it’s possible (likely?) that employment actually declined in 2025 when Trump had his tariff tantrums.

The graph shows the change in jobs from a year earlier for the period between 2023 and March of this year. The shaded area shows the revisions for the last 12 months of that period.

 

[schism666]

Since you’ve chosen to avoid the question I asked you, I’lll answer it for you. I’ll also answer the question you asked me.

Your tax federal burden has not increased under President Trump. You’re getting a tax cut effective in 2026.

Biden did raise tariffs, but I don’t know if he boasted about it. He promised to raise income taxes on businesses and people in the top marginal tax bracket but he never delivered on that promise.

tariffs are taxes on the consumer.
the end.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Nonsense. The TrumpTariffs are the largest tax increase on Americans since the 1960s.



Trump boasted about his TrumpTariffs. He said they are “making us rich”. Classic doublespeak.

ICYMI, the president signed tax legislation this year extending the individual marginal income tax rates that were due to expire at the end of the year. There are other tax cut provisions in the legislation as well.

I might add that the president’s 2017 tax cut permanently lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%. It also included other provisions that lowered business taxes. There are some new tax provisions in this year’s bill as well.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

tariffs are taxes on the consumer.
the end.

Tariffs are a tax on imported goods. They can be absorbed by businesses, passed on to consumers, or split in one form or the other. In some cases, consumers can avoid products subjected to tariffs by purchasing domestic products. Certainly not the case for products that have a high percentage of steel and aluminum, but absolutely true with many grocery products.

Btw, corporate income taxes are often passed on to the consumer as well. It’s one of the reasons Obama proposed lowering in from 35% to 28% back in 2012. He never got it done. Fortunately Trump cut it in 2017, from 35% to 21%.

 

[schism666]

Tariffs are a tax on imported goods. They can be absorbed by businesses, passed on to consumers, or split in one form or the other. In some cases, consumers can avoid products subjected to tariffs by purchasing domestic products. Certainly not the case for products that have a high percentage of steel and aluminum, but absolutely true with many grocery products.

Btw, corporate income taxes are often passed on to the consumer as well. It’s one of the reasons Obama proposed lowering in from 35% to 28% back in 2012. He never got it done. Fortunately Trump cut it in 2017, from 35% to 21%.

i will let krogers know that i will only be paying for my share of the tariffs next time i go grocery shopping.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

i will let krogers know that i will only be paying for my share of the tariffs next time i go grocery shopping.

What you could do at Krogers is substitute products. But you’ll most likely be saving thousands on your federal taxes thanks to the legislation Trump signed this year. It will more than offset any small tariff impact that might show up on your grocery bill.