Here is something to consider Re: The MN Tragedy That I Can Almost Guarantee You've Not Heard Discussed

[Sean Renaud]

This is an outright lie. Banning guns is the number one agenda item on the Democrat platform.

Behind raising wages, Universal Health Care, improving schools, I'm gonna lump environmental issues as one block instead of listing them all separately. That's just off the top of my head. You can't be serious that this is number one. ITs not even something any serious person discusses. Its not a serious topic outside your warped mind.

I could go on and paste the quotes from notable Democrat leaders who specifically say that, yes, they're coming for our guns.

So, whatever else you decided to post after the above I didn't read because you PROVED with your first paragraph that you're willing to LIE and misstate facts in order to push your false narrative.

The REAL FACT is that we have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms. NOTHING you can say or do will change that unless/until you repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Good luck with that.

I'm sure you could find isolate quotes here and there. You can find that for just about anything. I could dig up when Trump spoke of taking peoples guns. I don't know how serious he was but on the short list of things I trust the Republicans to prevent him from doing that's pretty high on the list. I've proven time and time again that I don't lie, I'm very transparent even when its not really in my best interest to do so.

We have a privilege to own and bear arms and you stated that most states have laws that clearly infringe on that right. That's on you, I commend you for being honest there it is. It doesn't specify what kinds of arms and the way the Constitution is written Freedom of Speech, freedom to bear arms are universal. Doesn't matter if they come from God or Nature they are something that all humans have and yet I seem to watch my government prevent Iran and North Korea from arming up.

What good is a government that is incapable of the most basic duty of being able to protect its citizens? We have proven time and time again that you are only in control of your country if we say you are. Must suck to have to keep lying about everything because you can't be consistent. I'm nothing if not consistent.

 

[HisArpy]

Behind raising wages, Universal Health Care, improving schools, I'm gonna lump environmental issues as one block instead of listing them all separately. That's just off the top of my head. You can't be serious that this is number one. ITs not even something any serious person discusses. Its not a serious topic outside your warped mind.



I'm sure you could find isolate quotes here and there. You can find that for just about anything. I could dig up when Trump spoke of taking peoples guns. I don't know how serious he was but on the short list of things I trust the Republicans to prevent him from doing that's pretty high on the list. I've proven time and time again that I don't lie, I'm very transparent even when its not really in my best interest to do so.

We have a privilege to own and bear arms and you stated that most states have laws that clearly infringe on that right. That's on you, I commend you for being honest there it is. It doesn't specify what kinds of arms and the way the Constitution is written Freedom of Speech, freedom to bear arms are universal. Doesn't matter if they come from God or Nature they are something that all humans have and yet I seem to watch my government prevent Iran and North Korea from arming up.

What good is a government that is incapable of the most basic duty of being able to protect its citizens? We have proven time and time again that you are only in control of your country if we say you are. Must suck to have to keep lying about everything because you can't be consistent. I'm nothing if not consistent.

Yeah, sorry but you're not only misinformed you're ignorant.

But go ahead with your zeal if it makes you feel special.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sure their champ. That's why not one prominant player is running on taking guns.

 

[Rightguide]

Sure their champ. That's why not one prominant player is running on taking guns.

Not out loud anyway. Democrats will always be for unconstitutional gun controls.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Not out loud anyway. Democrats will always be for unconstitutional gun controls.

It's one thing they do very well.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not out loud anyway. Democrats will always be for unconstitutional gun controls.

That's different from an outright gun ban or seizing guns. Most Americans want gun controls, actually I'd wager its so close to 100% that the only people who don't are genuine whackos. Since by definition any gun law (At least at the Federal level) is Unconstitutional that's not really saying much. Other than the Constitution was written centuries ago and needs a rewrite.

 

[HisArpy]

Sure their champ. That's why not one prominant player is running on taking guns.

Right now no one is "running" for anything except for mayor of NYC.

So whatever talking point you think you scored by saying that, is null.

 

[Sean Renaud]

We all know Gavin is very much running for president. However you can go back twenty, thirty however far you wish you'd have a hard time findint anybody who was a serious candidate who was trying to eliminate guns.

 

[HisArpy]

We all know Gavin is very much running for president. However you can go back twenty, thirty however far you wish you'd have a hard time findint anybody who was a serious candidate who was trying to eliminate guns.

Beto, Biden, Kamala, Obama, the list goes on and ALL OF THEM are on record about it.

Basically you're just lying now because your ignorance has led you down the path of democrat/socialist ideology without you realizing it's a one way trip to hell.

 

[Bn2f]

Beto, Biden, Kamala, Obama, the list goes on and ALL OF THEM are on record about it.

Cite! Give us quotes detailing such a thing.

Hahaha I kid.
You won’t. You can’t.
But I acknowledge your attempt to bullshit.

 

[MiaBabe23]

BTW, what I'm going to say is entirely apolitical. I am not going to take a position that favors the so-called right OR left. I just want to perhaps introduce a concept that I am all but sure you will NOT hear discussed anywhere else, why? Because it favors NO agenda. Yet it is 100% true and factual. Anyone who knows me should know I like to joke around, but while I don't advertise this (because, why?) I am a practicing scientist and have been for over 30 years, and that is the basis for this post.

I'm going to begin by making a statement that on the surface may sound incredible, yet for anyone who reads this entirely AND has the ability to think (which is only about 20% of humans) will make sense. I can confidently tell you that the cause of the MN tragedy was not gun, was not being trans, and was not even any mental illness. I can hear is now, "How can you possibly know this? You have no insights into this person's thinking and motivations!" and while you are correct in that, in fact, none of those insights are necessary to my thesis. I don't need to know anything about this person in saying this - all I need to know (and I do) is the definition of "Cause".

In science, to be a "cause" something must satisfy two criteria - it must be necessary and it must be sufficient. For example, smoking tobacco does NOT cause cancer. There have been people who smoked and never got cancer, so it is not "sufficient". There have been people who have never smoked yet have gotten cancer, so smoking is not "necessary" either. So smoking fulfills neither of the two criteria for establishing cause. What we can say is that smoking tobacco is a predictor and can raise the likelihood of contracting certain cancers - no more.

Similarly, the "gun" argument is so silly to not even be worth addressing, but I will just say that at no time in history has a gun ever killed a human, as these are inert objects that require some human (or, in the very very odd case, dog) agent to use the gun. Objects cannot be a cause in this manner. Can you see that being trans cannot be the cause? Has every trans person killed someone? Not even close. Neither every gun owner and neither every person with a mental illness. None of these things - even in combination (mentally ill trans person with a gun) can be considered a cause.

In fact, as maddening and frustrating as it certainly is in these cases, here is the fact of the matter: Humans are incredibly complex. Let me restate that with more precision. The human brain, which I will posit is the cause of our perceptions, behaviors, thoughts, etc. is an incredibly complex entity, so much so that it exceeds the complexity perhaps of the entire physical universe. It may BE the entire physical universe (Bostrom, 2003). Because of the immense complexity of the human brain, the idea that we can somehow exert control over this thing we don't understand really much at all, is a fools notion. In fact, I think history has shown that attempts to do exactly this often have disastrous results. That is not to say we should not attempt to intervene and help people lead better lives, but to think we can or should "control" is silly. Here is another Hard Truth: Life is dangerous. Safety, while a very seductive concept, is not something that is possible to achieve, fully. I have often thought (as I have the ability and in fact highly enjoy "thinking") about the idea of Universal Truths - are there any such things? I think there is at least one: Every aspect of reality involves a trade-off. A purchase involves trading value (money) for value (goods/services). The very act of breathing is a tradeoff of CO2 for the mix of gases that constitute "air" (oxygen being the most important). The Laws of Thermodynamics all speak to the idea of trade-offs - matter is neither created nor destroyed, merely changed in form. In fact, sadly there is even a trade-off in the acquisition of knowledge! As we become more knowing, we lose innocence. That is perhaps the most tragic trade-off of all of them - this is not fact, this is my opinion.

So while being safe is something we all appreciate, to an extent, do not fool yourself into thinking you want a life of complete safety because you will have to trade something and that thing is the ability to exercise free will. Even then, you'll never achieve full safety. Now, it is so tempting for some to happily give away OTHERS freedom, "we need to make X illegal!" You want to be VERY careful about that. You may laugh and think "I don't care about THAT freedom and those that do can go fuck themselves". That level of non-thinking reactivity is tantamount to a form of suicide. The liberties YOU see as not having value others will disagree and anyone who can think (again, I know I'm speaking to only 20% of the population) will realize that it is probably the case that freedoms THEY hold very dear, others may see as garbage.

Many people talk about "drugs" being bad. Of course, they are non-thinkers so not even able to have a conversation with, but here's another fact that may be surprising to some: One of the most addictive drugs known to man is sugar. Yep. Sugar meets all the definitional requirements of a drug and is a highly addictive substance. So what if Those On High were to, ohhhhh, ban sugar? Not just processed sugar, ALL sugar. No alcohol, no carbs...nothing. Eggs and steak and water. I'm not an expert in nutritional science but I'll bet one who is could make a very good case for how many deaths could attributed to sugar, how so many lives could be extended and saved, yadda yadda. I'm saying the case for "safety" could be made. I'm not making it!

I think many probably are aware of the quote on safety and liberty that is attributed to Ben Franklin and if not I can paraphrase it enough to capture the meaning and it says "Those who wish to sacrifice liberty in the pursuit of safety deserve neither safety nor liberty." This is true on so many levels - safety is Utopia. Do you know the definition of "Utopia"? It's not a "perfect society" even though that is what you may read, because sadly the true definitions are being replaced with "popular usage" definitions. Utopia is actually an "impossible state or place" and the idea of having a Utopian society is predicated on not taming human nature but really the abolition of evil itself. Can we rid the world of evil? No. Nature is evil...to eat an animal must kill. This kind of goes back to the idea of trade-offs.

I hope you can see I made good on my promise. I have not elevated nor demoted any political ideology or any ideology whatsoever. Well, let me take that back a bit - I absolutely demote any ideology that is not logically coherent so yes, the "blame the object" thinking (or non-thinking, as it were) I have zero tolerance for. I do not suffer fools and for that I will never apologize or bend the knee. The fact of the matter is that if you want a failsafe solution, I don't know what to tell you but I can tell you that the USA is a country that highly values liberty more than safety. That is a fact and is very evident in the founding documents. Not all countries share this and if someone is a resident in the USA and thinks safety is far more important than liberty I can kindly suggest that emigration is legal and moral and even a viable option they may wish to pursue. I would also suggest that control is a seductress that few can deny and MANY will come in the wake of these things promising safety but...trading fore that, liberty and while that may appeal to some on an emotional level, anyone who can both think and has any understanding of history and authoritarian governments will tell you that is a very dangerous and regrettable trade.

One last thought and it's not mine but I heard this (long ago) and it rings very true: Your rights...are MY responsibility. That means as well MY rights...are YOUR responsibility. Trade-offs. Everyone loves to talk about their rights, but absent personal responsibility? Nobody - not one person - will have any rights at all. So if you enjoy having rights? Show that by acting responsibly. Now can I get back to pretending to be a stupid slutty bimbo? This "thinking" stuff...it's fucking difficult, sometimes! I mean I like it but...portion sizes!

You claim to be a scientist, then quickly prove you’re anything but

Place a super soaker in his hands
Same outcome?
Or different?

If that still doesn’t help move your thinking along, at least stop trying to score pathetic internet points from devastatingly tragic murders

 

[icanhelp1]

There’s an important catalyst to these type of murders that those of us who comment on them seem to ignore and that’s the mental state of these individuals. Low self worth and low self esteem which inevitably leads to their own self demise. Most who commit these heinous acts usually kill themselves afterwards.

Most of these mentally disturbed and unstable individuals choose a slow death by using drugs or alcohol as demonstrated by the thousands of homeless individuals that exist on our streets. Every so often one of these mentally disturbed individuals gain access to a firearm and will take it up a notch, impose his pain on others before destroying him or herself. Gun or knife, does it really matter the method? Mental health facilities are far and few. We desperately need to expand our mental health services, rebuild our long lost medical facilities that deal with mental health and start caring for these people. I guess you could call it medical incarceration for their own sake.

You can say what you want but religious institutions can play a big part in helping these people. People need something to believe in, a higher power, believe their lives are important, people around them are important. IMHO

 

[ll74]

There’s an important catalyst to these type of murders that those of us who comment on them seem to ignore and that’s the mental state of these individuals. Low self worth and low self esteem which inevitably leads to their own self demise. Most who commit these heinous acts usually kill themselves afterwards.

Most of these mentally disturbed and unstable individuals choose a slow death by using drugs or alcohol as demonstrated by the thousands of homeless individuals that exist on our streets. Every so often one of these mentally disturbed individuals gain access to a firearm and will take it up a notch, impose his pain on others before destroying him or herself. Gun or knife, does it really matter the method? Mental health facilities are far and few. We desperately need to expand our mental health services, rebuild our long lost medical facilities that deal with mental health and start caring for these people. I guess you could call it medical incarceration for their own sake.

You can say what you want but religious institutions can play a big part in helping these people. People need something to believe in, a higher power, believe their lives are important, people around them are important. IMHO

So first, I'm impressed you did not mention trans once.

Second - yes, mentally ill people are better off when they have people that support them - religion is a good form of community, but there are others which can also meet that need.

Third - there should be an assessment of mental health prior to people obtaining high powered firearms. Handguns, perhaps less..not sure.

No fucking way that a mentally ill person can gain access to that much ammo so easily and quickly.

 

[icanhelp1]

So first, I'm impressed you did not mention trans once.

Second - yes, mentally ill people are better off when they have people that support them - religion is a good form of community, but there are others which can also meet that need.

Third - there should be an assessment of mental health prior to people obtaining high powered firearms. Handguns, perhaps less..not sure.

No fucking way that a mentally ill person can gain access to that much ammo so easily and quickly.

Trans is the manifestation of a battle within oneself.


I agree, unfortunately the evidence to prove a person is not responsible or mentally capable of handling that responsibility doesn’t manifest itself in time on those occasion. I don’t believe that mon could predict this outcome would be so tragic. The maternal instinct in moms is forever forgiving and protection for their child. This individual was 23 years old, probably on his own for 5 years. Because we can’t see into the future it hard if not impossible to qualify or quantify any legal interference for an action that has not yet been committed.

 

[ll74]

Trans is the manifestation of a battle within oneself.

Are you trans?

I agree, unfortunately the evidence to prove a person is not responsible or mentally capable of handling that responsibility doesn’t manifest itself in time on those occasion. I don’t believe that mon could predict this outcome would be so tragic. The maternal instinct in moms is forever forgiving and protection for their child. This individual was 23 years old, probably on his own for 5 years. Because we can’t see into the future it hard if not impossible to qualify or quantify any legal interference for an action that has not yet been committed.

Yep - this is where people should be required to take tests periodically to demonstrate their cognitive abilities.

 

[icanhelp1]

Are you trans?

No. Are you?

Yep - this is where people should be required to take tests periodically to demonstrate their cognitive abilities.

 

[ll74]

No. Are you?

Then what the fuck do you know about being trans?

 

[icanhelp1]

Then what the fuck do you know about being trans?

I don’t owe you an explanation for anything you arrogant fucktard.

 

[ll74]

I don’t owe you an explanation for anything you arrogant fucktard.

You're the one expressing expertise about trans people.

I am just calling you out for doing so.

 

[icanhelp1]

You're the one expressing expertise about trans people.

I am just calling you out for doing so.

Pretty simple. When a person is born with male genitalia and a female mindset, that’s a conflict.

 

[ll74]

Pretty simple. When a person is born with male genitalia and a female mindset, that’s a conflict.

"Pretty simple"

Lol.....there ya go ....binary thinking.

Because everyone is that simple.

Thanks for demonstrating my point quickly.

Here's a thing - if you can't understand why people might be trans than understanding why they are trans likely is flawed.

 

[icanhelp1]

"Pretty simple"

Lol.....there ya go ....binary thinking.

Because everyone is that simple.

Thanks for demonstrating my point quickly.

Here's a thing - if you can't understand why people might be trans than understanding why they are trans likely is flawed.

All other complications with that person stem from the original premise of male genitalia (Y chromosomes ) and a female mindset. It’s a complex issue, certainly not going to be properly explained or understood on a porn site. Having a very close friend that did transition later on in life, married and kids, certainly educated me. He was military. He was certainly conflicted both as a person and socially as to what was socially acceptable at the time. I have even more respect for him (her) because he/she had the courage to be what he/she felt was right for a happy state of being. He will always be my brother in arms.

 

[ll74]

All other complications with that person stem from the original premise of male genitalia (Y chromosomes ) and a female mindset. It’s a complex issue, certainly not going to be properly explained or understood on a porn site. Having a very close friend that did transition later on in life, married and kids, certainly educated me. He was military. He was certainly conflicted both as a person and socially as to what was socially acceptable at the time. I have even more respect for him (her) because he/she had the courage to be what he/she felt was right for a happy state of being. He will always be my brother in arms.

That is relevant and lends credibility to your statement. Thank you.

(Not sure I believe you, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt)

Even with the above, your thinking is binary. Neither one way or the other...that is what I rail against... nobody should be that way for problem solving.

 

[icanhelp1]

That is relevant and lends credibility to your statement. Thank you.

(Not sure I believe you, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt)

Even with the above, your thinking is binary. Neither one way or the other...that is what I rail against... nobody should be that way for problem solving.

I didn’t solve his problem, nor did I try to solve what was going on in his head. I was just a friend, someone to confide in. He was an outstanding soldier. I had no clue that this was an issue during our service together.

 

[ll74]

I didn’t solve his problem, nor did I try to solve what was going on in his head. I was just a friend, someone to confide in. He was an outstanding soldier. I had no clue that this was an issue during our service together.

perhaps he didn't have a problem...he had an internal conflict that he needed to figure out for himself.