For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Baztrachian]

Yes, I hear you, but do they?

They hear the 155mm artillery rounds that have killed thousands of their poorly trained dukhs.

 

[ll74]

These "peace talks" are absurd.

Fuck em.
Bomb every drone factory in Russia today.

 

[Rightguide]

They hear the 155mm artillery rounds that have killed thousands of their poorly trained dukhs.

True, but Ukraine is drafting 60 year olds, why? Because they are all out of fighting age men.

Ukraine’s Army Opens Its Ranks to the 60+ Club​

Zelensky signs law allowing citizens 60+ to volunteer for military service. Contract terms include 1-year enlistment, medical clearance, and no upper age limit.

by Julia Struck | July 29, 2025, 2:54 pm

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/57177

 

[ll74]

True, but Ukraine is drafting 60 year olds, why? Because they are all out of fighting age men.

Ukraine’s Army Opens Its Ranks to the 60+ Club​

Zelensky signs law allowing citizens 60+ to volunteer for military service. Contract terms include 1-year enlistment, medical clearance, and no upper age limit.

by Julia Struck | July 29, 2025, 2:54 pm

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/57177

OMG - look, they're using all of their people to defend themselves against an invading force.

What horrible people.

 

[Rightguide]

You have said the exact same thing from start to finish. Ukraine should capitulate to Russia and we should not assist them.

Ukraine lost the war.

It's shown in your first post in the thread.

Yet they haven't lost. The war is still happening.

You've been incorrect since post number 1.

And every single post shows your praise of Russia and denigration of Ukraine.

Russians have never wanted this war.
Ukranians have never wanted this war.

Putin has wanted this war.

They have lost the war militarily. They haven't moved the Russians one inch off of what they originally seized. The Russians are still taking ground as we speak. Are there Ukrainians left to kill, yes. There are more Russians left than Ukrainians. But the majority of Ukrainians left in the country longer support the war. As I've pointed out.

 

[ll74]

They have lost the war militarily.

You said that in post 1.
Yet they are still fighting ..militarily.

They haven't moved the Russians one inch off of what they originally seized.

And Russia hasn't advanced at all.

The Russians are still taking ground as we speak.

They aren't

Are there Ukrainians left to kill, yes. There are more Russians left than Ukrainians. But the majority of Ukrainians left in the country longer support the war. As I've pointed out.

Ukranians can lobby their representatives to stop the defense of the invasion

Russians never wanted this invasion.

 

[Baztrachian]

True, but Ukraine is drafting 60 year olds, why? Because they are all out of fighting age men.

Ukraine’s Army Opens Its Ranks to the 60+ Club​

Zelensky signs law allowing citizens 60+ to volunteer for military service. Contract terms include 1-year enlistment, medical clearance, and no upper age limit.

by Julia Struck | July 29, 2025, 2:54 pm

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/57177

Do you see what I see?

 

[Rightguide]

OMG - look, they're using all of their people to defend themselves against an invading force.

What horrible people.

They're doing that out of desperation. Almost a third of their military-aged men refused to fight and left the country years ago. In WWII the Russians moblized 35 million men and lost between 8 and ten million. They never had to draft men 60 and over. It's all about resources and arithmetic, resulting in the kind of formula that sealed Ukraine's fate from the beginning.

 

[ll74]

They're doing that out of desperation

Because their country is being invaded by a hostile force


Correct

. Almost a third of their military-aged men refused to fight and left the country years ago. In WWII the Russians moblized 35 million men and lost between 8 and ten million. They never had to draft men 60 and over. It's all about resources and arithmetic, resulting in the kind of formula that sealed Ukraine's fate from the beginning.

See above

 

[Lazaran]

Do you see what I see?

Russiaguide and every other MAGAt (including Baztrachian) on the PB does the same exact thing (misrepresents the truth, facts, and reality) in nearly every one of their posts…

But good catch…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Baztrachian]

Russiaguide and every other MAGAt (including Baztrachian) on the PB does the same exact thing (misrepresents the truth, facts, and reality) in nearly every one of their posts…

But good catch…



We. Told. Them. So.

Puppy humper.

 

[Lance_Castro]

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[Rightguide]

Do you see what I see?

"Allowing", yes. but all that's just a kind way of saying we're out of fighting age men. Ukraine has been using press gangs to find and enlist younger men whether they liked it or not, for some time now, and they'll go after the 60 year olds the hard way if they have to.

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-military-manpower-crisis-pressgang-recruitment/33161193.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/ukrainia...htclubs-and-restaurants-army-press-gang-kyiv/

https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-daily-mail/20240301/281883008288800

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz994d6vqe5o

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...s-gang-older-men-into-their-militias-12548345

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Zelensky-attempts-bolster-military-ranks.html

 

[Baztrachian]

"Allowing", yes. but all that's just a kind way of saying we're out of fighting age men.

There's a lot of old guys with military experience who can backfill rear echelon positions to free up younger guys for the battlefield. This is not an unusual thing to do especially after three years of war.

I can still be recalled to service until I'm 67. Doctors can be recalled even if they're 90.

Ukraine has been using press gangs to find and enlist younger men whether they liked it or not

The actual truth on this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz994d6vqe5o

"A new law, introduced in May, requires every man aged between 25 and 60 to log their details on an electronic database so they can be called up. Conscription officers are on the hunt for those avoiding the register, pushing more men who do not want to serve into hiding."

The police are going after draft dodgers. They are not going out and randomly rounding up men to fill the ranks which is what a press gang does.

 

[Baztrachian]

"Allowing", yes. but all that's just a kind way of saying we're out of fighting age men. Ukraine has been using press gangs to find and enlist younger men whether they liked it or not, for some time now, and they'll go after the 60 year olds the hard way if they have to.

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-military-manpower-crisis-pressgang-recruitment/33161193.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/ukrainia...htclubs-and-restaurants-army-press-gang-kyiv/

https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-daily-mail/20240301/281883008288800

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz994d6vqe5o

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...s-gang-older-men-into-their-militias-12548345

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Zelensky-attempts-bolster-military-ranks.html

Are you even reading these links?

This is the one from Sky News that you cited as being Ukrainian when it's about the Russians:

Ukraine Crisis: Officials in Russian-backed regions press-gang older men into their militias​

 

[Rightguide]

You said that in post 1.
Yet they are still fighting ..militarily.


And Russia hasn't advanced at all.


They aren't

All that you just said above is demonstrably false. Go to the ISW web site and view the interactive maps.

Ukranians can lobby their representatives to stop the defense of the invasion

Russians never wanted this invasion.

Ukraine is under a corrupt dictatorship as we speak. Has been for six years.

 

[ll74]

All that you just said above is demonstrably false. Go to the ISW web site and view the interactive maps.

You said they lost on the first post of this thread.

Ukraine is under a corrupt dictatorship as we speak. Has been for six years.

Parliament has the power per the Constitution. They have extended martial law due to the invasion.

The people can push for Parliament (i.e. their representatives) to do differently at any time.

Russia used to have a similar Constitution until Putin changed it to extend his rule beyond the accepted laws. He removed all opposition by force.

 

[Rightguide]

Are you even reading these links?

This is the one from Sky News that you cited as being Ukrainian when it's about the Russians:

Ukraine Crisis: Officials in Russian-backed regions press-gang older men into their militias​

Yes but it's still Ukrainians press ganging people into their army, "Officials in the Russian-backed separatist areas of eastern Ukraine," "They force those who had already been in the army or those having fun in the evening, or trying to escape to Russia,"

 

[Rightguide]

You said they lost on the first post of this thread.


Parliament has the power per the Constitution. They have extended martial law due to the invasion.

The people can push for Parliament (i.e. their representatives) to do differently at any time.

Russia used to have a similar Constitution until Putin changed it to extend his rule beyond the accepted laws. He removed all opposition by force.

There was never any hope of Ukraine winning this war against a premier nuclear power with four times the population of Ukraine. Militarily, Ukraine lost this war before it started, and is in the process of being dismantled as we speak. There is no hope for a battlefield victory against the Russian Army in Ukraine. Further western involvement will only bring on WWIII. There's an old axiom, wars are won or lost twenty years before they begin. Ukraine hasn't had enough time in grade, and Europe has spent the last twenty years degrading its military power vis a vis the Russians.

 

[ll74]

There was never any hope of Ukraine winning this war

As I said.
...you said that I post 1.

against a premier nuclear power with four times the population of Ukraine.

And yet they're still in the fight.

Militarily, Ukraine lost this war before it started,

Not at all

and is in the process of being dismantled as we speak.

Which again, you have said since the start of this thread.

There is no hope for a battlefield victory against the Russian Army in Ukraine. Further western involvement will only bring on WWIII.

Which you've also predicted would happen from. The start of this thread.

There's an old axiom, wars are won or lost twenty years before they begin. Ukraine hasn't had enough time in grade, and Europe has spent the last twenty years degrading its military power vis a vis the Russians.

Youve declared the war over
You've declared it lost by Ukraine
You've declared more involvement leading to world war three

This entire thread is full of things you've decided were true.

And yet the war isn't over
And yet Ukraine hasn't lost
And yet there is no world war three.

You've been saying this since 2023.

 

[Baztrachian]

Yes but it's still Ukrainians press ganging people into their army, "Officials in the Russian-backed separatist areas of eastern Ukraine," "They force those who had already been in the army or those having fun in the evening, or trying to escape to Russia,"

Dude, it's Russians forcing Ukrainians into the Russian Army! And you're blaming this on Ukraine?

 

[Rightguide]

Dude, it's Russians forcing Ukrainians into the Russian Army! And you're blaming this on Ukraine?

It's about Ukrainians forcing Russian speaking-Ukrainians who support Russia into the Ukrainian Army who are trying to flee into Russia..

 

[icanhelp1]

Dude, it's Russians forcing Ukrainians into the Russian Army! And you're blaming this on Ukraine?

The question that needs to be asked is this... How important is Ukraine to Europe. Conventionally Ukraine cannot win. All the weapons available on the battle space aren't worth a hill of beans if they can't be manned. Does Germany, France, Poland and the UK have the moxie to give Putin an ultimatum...GET THE FUCK OUT! Or we will mobilize our troops. IMHO Russia can't win a conventional war against the the above. With secondary sanctions from the US and military involvement with the the strongest of European countries Russia will collapse..

 

[Baztrachian]

There was never any hope of Ukraine winning this war against a premier nuclear power with four times the population of Ukraine.

Bullshit. The Afghans beat a far superior Soviet military some thirty-five years ago. If a bunch of people who live in barely Iron Age conditions can defeat the Russians then so can the Ukrainians. And so far the Ukrainians are indeed beating the Russians merely by preventing them from winning.

 

[Baztrachian]

Conventionally Ukraine cannot win.

After three years the converse is true: Russia cannot win by conventional means.