Story rejected for rule I’m certain I didn’t break

[EmilyMiller]

I'm perfectly fine with Lit rejecting high school stories, in fact, I prefer it.

'Barely 18' only thrives because 'Barely 15' isn't allowed to.

18 year olds are adults who can have been having legal sex for two years IRL in most states. What is the problem?

Young people have sex - I have no desire to write about anyone younger than 18 having sex. This is not a legal issue for the site, it’s not a legal issue IRL. So you must be coming at this from a moral perspective. In which case maybe take a look around you at what else people are allowed to write about here.

Is this the hill you choose to die on? I don’t get this frenzy about adults having sex.

Conflating 18 yo adults with 15 yo kids is unhelpful. Or are you just commenting on the mindset of some (not all) people here?

 

[iwatchus]

I feel like I have to step in here if nothing else to defend my Nude Day story. The bulk of the story takes place in the two months after the MMC's 18th birthday. He is still a high school student but is taking a single college course. The main thrust of the story is the challenging relationship between him and a 21 yr old college student (female).

I strongly support having an age limit. But is the issue for many of you depend on the gender of the high school student? All the complaints are about 18 yr old women in stories. What about an 18 yr old man? Is that somehow okay? Actually I can think of a few stories that I have read here that take place during MMC's summer before senior year, when he is extremely unlikely to be 18 yet.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I feel like I have to step in here if nothing else to defend my Nude Day story. The bulk of the story takes place in the two months after the MMC's 18th birthday. He is still a high school student but is taking a single college course. The main thrust of the story is the challenging relationship between him and a 21 yr old college student (female).

I strongly support having an age limit. But is the issue for many of you depend on the gender of the high school student? All the complaints are about 18 yr old women in stories. What about an 18 yr old man? Is that somehow okay? Actually I can think of a few stories that I have read here that take place during MMC's summer before senior year, when he is extremely unlikely to be 18 yet.

I think being 18 was a very long time ago for quite a few people here. I think equating adults having legal sex with pedophila, which seems to be the vibe here, is frankly bizarre.

We have some fucked up ideas about age. Like age gaps are ick. They might be, or not, it depends totally on the people and the situation. For a sex site, there are a lot of very cloistered views of human sexuality here.

 

[Voboy]

I feel like I have to step in here if nothing else to defend my Nude Day story. The bulk of the story takes place in the two months after the MMC's 18th birthday. He is still a high school student but is taking a single college course. The main thrust of the story is the challenging relationship between him and a 21 yr old college student (female).

Sounds like an excellent story. You don't have to defend anything at all. I've posted scores of stories with people gleefully and joyfully (and, sometimes, ill-advisedly) fucking all sorts of other people, and sometimes it's happened AT THEIR EIGHTEENTH BIRTHDAY PARTY. I've written them as men, as women, and with werewolves or even dogs. I've had students fucking teachers. I've had students fucking school resource officers. I've had parents fucking principals, and talking about their 18-year-old kids fucking teachers.

I'm not ashamed of any of those stories. I think they're good, which is why I posted them. I have nothing to defend. I was happy to write them, thousands are happy to read them, and the site is happy to post them.

Anyone who comes here taking issue with all that is free to choose not to read my stories. It's that simple.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Too many negatives - my bad - will fix

Better now

Thank you, it is clearer. I'm glad that I'm not Laurel or some other moderator. Drawing boundaries around these issues is always going to be a judgment call. The site could do better perhaps, but I'm not surprised. Their solution seems to be to rely on bots or other software to handle the load. That doesn't surprise me either.

 

[KittyOfSteele]

I feel like I have to step in here if nothing else to defend my Nude Day story. The bulk of the story takes place in the two months after the MMC's 18th birthday. He is still a high school student but is taking a single college course. The main thrust of the story is the challenging relationship between him and a 21 yr old college student (female).

I strongly support having an age limit. But is the issue for many of you depend on the gender of the high school student? All the complaints are about 18 yr old women in stories. What about an 18 yr old man? Is that somehow okay? Actually I can think of a few stories that I have read here that take place during MMC's summer before senior year, when he is extremely unlikely to be 18 yet.

The issue doesn't seem to be age, but rather the whole high school paraphernalia kink. I don't know why, and frankly I don't want to know. I said it before: if you don't like what other authors do, fine, but if you start policing other authors, you are no different than the censors who are screwing over the Internet currently.

I specially find it extremely hypocritical if this comes from authors who published on T/I, MC, or R/NC categories because... did you know that the first wave of videogames that got censored last month were games that fit into those categories? Yeah, I don't like those categories, but seeing that happen right before my eyes felt more like a warning instead of a loss, because immediately after they went for all games. Not even just porn games; all games.

If you don't like what we do, but go out of your way to police us, I will not defend you if you get censored. If I end up doing that, it'll be more collateral than intentional. You are on the other side

...and yet people complain about Stacnash and her views on guidelines being violated. Don't you realize by saying "stop writing high school" you're doing exactly the same?

 

[alohadave]

I think being 18 was a very long time ago for quite a few people here. I think equating adults having legal sex with pedophila, which seems to be the vibe here, is frankly bizarre.

I think that equating 16-17 year olds having sex as pedophilia is wierd.

It's taking the bright line of only allowing 18+ and turning it into a moral failing if anyone wants to write a coming of age story with characters who are coming-of-age.

And to counter @Voboy, while some people would push for lower and lower ages in their stories, that does not mean that everyone would. I'd love to be able to write something and post here with 16-17 yo. I don't because it's a hard line here. There are sites I can post that material if I wanted to. But that doesn't mean that I'm a pedophile or that I want to push for younger and younger characters.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I think that equating 16-17 year olds having sex as pedophilia is wierd.

It's taking the bright line of only allowing 18+ and turning it into a moral failing if anyone wants to write a coming of age story with characters who are coming-of-age.

And to counter @Voboy, while some people would push for lower and lower ages in their stories, that does not mean that everyone would. I'd love to be able to write something and post here with 16-17 yo. I don't because it's a hard line here. There are sites I can post that material if I wanted to. But that doesn't mean that I'm a pedophile or that I want to push for younger and younger characters.

It’s like this ultra-moralist vibe. Maybe people should wait until they are married to have sex. Personally I was closer to 19 than 18, but I had sexual feelings from a relatively young age and I think many people do.

Of course kids too young to understand what they are doing, let alone to give informed consent, must be protected. But this having sex when it is legal to do so (IRL) is wrong vibe just feels like the long history of suppressing people and making them feel guilty about entire normal / healthily feelings.

I’m fine with the 18+ rule. I understand the need for it. As I say most of my protagonists are mid-twenties or older now. But I don’t understand why writing about 18 yo adults having sex is somehow wrong, but writing about rape is somehow totally fine. I know which is the more healthy thing to do.

Having a buffer between 16 (legal consent in most places) and 18 (pornographic content) is probably fine and is a bulwark against those who really want to write about 13 yos, which is indeed . But the idea that it’s pedophilia to write about an 18 yo adult having sex is super weird.

 

[Voboy]

And to counter @Voboy, while some people would push for lower and lower ages in their stories, that does not mean that everyone would. I'd love to be able to write something and post here with 16-17 yo. I don't because it's a hard line here. There are sites I can post that material if I wanted to. But that doesn't mean that I'm a pedophile or that I want to push for younger and younger characters.

I don't see how that "counters" me. I'm not saying that people who write about 18-year-olds secretly want to write about 15-year-olds. That was someone else. I was just demonstrating that his bias could never be satisfied.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I don't see how that "counters" me. I'm not saying that people who write about 18-year-olds secretly want to write about 15-year-olds. That was someone else. I was just demonstrating that his bias could never be satisfied.

Think that might have been a case of mistaken identity.

 

[OddLove]

18 year olds are adults who can have been having legal sex for two years IRL in most states. What is the problem?

Young people have sex - I have no desire to write about anyone younger than 18 having sex. This is not a legal issue for the site, it’s not a legal issue IRL. So you must be coming at this from a moral perspective. In which case maybe take a look around you at what else people are allowed to write about here.

Is this the hill you choose to die on? I don’t get this frenzy about adults having sex.

Conflating 18 yo adults with 15 yo kids is unhelpful. Or are you just commenting on the mindset of some (not all) people here?

I'm commenting on the mindset of anyone who fetishize youth to the point where they nearly exclusively writes about 'barely 18' characters having sex with much older people, typically teachers, parents, coaches, authority figures, etc.

And I'm also coming at it from a 'I want Lit to survive' perspective.

If I was coming from a 'moral' perspective, I'd simply say, "It's fiction. Anything goes. Victimless crimes are not crimes."

But I'm fairly positive Lit wouldn't survive long if they used my morals to determine their rules.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I'm commenting on the mindset of anyone who fetishize youth to the point where they nearly exclusively writes about 'barely 18' characters having sex with much older people, typically teachers, parents, coaches, authority figures, etc.

And I'm also coming at it from a 'I want Lit to survive' perspective.

If I was coming from a 'moral' perspective, I'd simply say, "It's fiction. Anything goes. Victimless crimes are not crimes."

But I'm fairly positive Lit wouldn't survive long if they used my morals to determine their rules.

I understand what you are saying better now, thank you.

 

[Britva415]

In this school, teachers and administrators are targeting the students to see who has become hot when she hits 18. That's built-in grooming and selection of underage girls in preparation for when they're 'legal'.



Don't just turn on the slut switch on their 18th and pretend they had no sexual nature up until then.

This is a VERY good observation.

 

[StillStunned]

I understand what you are saying better now, than you.

I can't decide whether this is a gracious post with a typo or an insulting post without one.

 

[Voboy]

I'm commenting on the mindset of anyone who fetishize youth to the point where they nearly exclusively writes about 'barely 18' characters having sex with much older people, typically teachers, parents, coaches, authority figures, etc.

And I'm also coming at it from a 'I want Lit to survive' perspective.

Lit has survived for, what, about 25 years? During that entire time, it has hosted stories that take place in high schools.

I don't honestly think your solution of "stop stories that take place in high schools" is even remotely necessary for Lit's survival, if that's your concern. There is nothing unlawful about sex stories that take place in high schools, in any artistic venue. Movies, TV, and reputably-published books are packed with stories about high school sex.

Lit, if anything, is even MORE conservative with an 18-year-old cutoff. So I think their status quo is just fine.

 

[WittyUserName]

Lit has survived for, what, about 25 years? During that entire time, it has hosted stories that take place in high schools.

I don't honestly think your solution of "stop stories that take place in high schools" is even remotely necessary for Lit's survival, if that's your concern. There is nothing unlawful about sex stories that take place in high schools, in any artistic venue. Movies, TV, and reputably-published books are packed with stories about high school sex.

Lit, if anything, is even MORE conservative with an 18-year-old cutoff. So I think their status quo is just fine.

My first series had high school students. I specified everyone was 18+ and didn't have any chapters sent back. I purposely had the story start near the end of the school year to make it slightly more realistic that everyone was 18.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I can't decide whether this is a gracious post with a typo or an insulting post without one.

Want a bet?

 

[OddLove]

Want a bet?

So?

 

[BobbyBrandt]

One of my current works in progress has some scenes where the main male and female characters are trying to help a young 18-year-old mother and her toddler son. The boy is the byproduct of the girl being sexually assaulted by her step-father when she was barely sixteen. That has been the only sexual experience that the girl has had to-date, and since she has a terminal illness, she fears never having the opportunity to experience true, loving, and intimate relations with another person before she becomes too weak to do so.

Since the sexual assault isn't described and she is now over 18, anyone want to take bets on the story sailing through without a rejection?

 

[StillStunned]

Want a bet?

Judging by your edit, I'd have won.

 

[EmilyMiller]

So?

I fixed it

 

[OddLove]

Lit has survived for, what, about 25 years? During that entire time, it has hosted stories that take place in high schools.

I don't honestly think your solution of "stop stories that take place in high schools" is even remotely necessary for Lit's survival, if that's your concern. There is nothing unlawful about sex stories that take place in high schools, in any artistic venue. Movies, TV, and reputably-published books are packed with stories about high school sex.

Lit, if anything, is even MORE conservative with an 18-year-old cutoff. So I think their status quo is just fine.

And during that entire time LIT has changed rules/policies, and rejected millions of stories, thus the status quo changes.

So, if they need to start rejecting some or even most high school stories because they're often being used to write sex stories about 15-17 year old students and the 'Barely 18' sticker isn't cutting it anymore, I fully support them to continue making those choices.

 

[Voboy]

And during that entire time LIT has changed rules/policies, and rejected millions of stories, thus the status quo changes.

So, if they need to start rejecting some or even most high school stories because they're often being used to write sex stories about 15-17 year old students and the 'Barely 18' sticker isn't cutting it anymore, I fully support them to continue making those choices.

You and I have ZERO idea how many stories she's been rejecting, nor what they're about. So I don't know how you'd know that "most" HS stories are "often being used" to skirt the rules; your "if" does a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. Regardless, Laurel has been rejecting borderline stories of the sort you're describing since I've been here, and probably long before; this very thread seems to show she's still doing so. In other words, the current system works.

Again, I don't see a problem in need of a further policy change. High school stories, in and of themselves, are not a problem here. A policy change banning them would require Manu and her to comb through tens of thousands of stories and delete them, some of which have been peacefully posted here for twenty years.

I'm not sure I see the need for that, nor do I see why anyone else would.

 

[TheWritingGroup]

I'm not sure I see the need for that, nor do I see why anyone else would.

https://xkcd.com/386/

 

[KittyOfSteele]

I'm commenting on the mindset of anyone who fetishize youth to the point where they nearly exclusively writes about 'barely 18' characters having sex with much older people, typically teachers, parents, coaches, authority figures, etc.

And I'm also coming at it from a 'I want Lit to survive' perspective.

Let's picture the event that these stories are taken down because Lit got under scrutiny. What do you think they'll go after next? The R/NC stories? The T/I stories? The GM stories? Lesbian? Transgender? Crossdressing?

It always begins with the lowest hanging fruit. These stories get taken down, the next wave will follow, and so on, until Literotica ceases to exist.

Literotica will be killed by a thousand cuts, and any change of guidelines will only delay the inevitable. We are seeing this in action since a month ago outside of Lit, beginning with videogames.