lovecraft68
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I think the last couple of pages of this thread proved a point.
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So - and I should have been much more explicit here - what I was hoping for was at least a paragraph about why you like the story you chose.
In this Australian code, like Navajo Talkers?It tells us the social class of the MCs, they they are good-hearted and committed to each other. And it tells us about their values and awareness of the world around them.
You mean the use of the 'c-word' in that way?In this Australian code, like Navajo Talkers?
No, I meant the amount of info you derived from the first few sentences.You mean the use of the 'c-word' in that way?
Here's (UK) band The Police in 1981:
Billy's joined the National Front
He always was a little runt
He's got his hand in the air with the other cunts
You've got to humanize yourself
So maybe UK/Australian English code.
Oh, ok. Well, in my reading, they're happy to use very sweary language with each other, so they haven't been well brought up but are used to calling a spade a spade - it smells a lot like a rural or semi-rural setting. The context of the Act suggests that they're lively, smart, and being educated, so they're going to school or have gone to school together and reflecting on the experience. The language is affectionate and binds them to looking out for each other, and they've seen some bad human behaviour. From the title, we get that this is a childhood friendship that has grown over the years, and then that's reinforced by the 'muscle memory'. That's my take on it, anyway.No, I meant the amount of info you derived from the first few sentences.
My take was maybe you brought some cultural understanding to it that is less accessible to others. Not a criticism. Many of my favorite authors are not American (many are as well).Oh, ok. Well, in my reading, they're happy to use very sweary language with each other, so they haven't been well brought up but are used to calling a spade a spade - it smells a lot like a rural or semi-rural setting. The context of the Act suggests that they're lively, smart, and being educated, so they're going to school or have gone to school together and reflecting on the experience. The language is affectionate and binds them to looking out for each other, and they've seen some bad human behaviour. From the title, we get that this is a childhood friendship that has grown over the years, and then that's reinforced by the 'muscle memory'. That's my take on it, anyway.
I didn't take it as a criticism - all good. I think that you're right that there's an implicit cultural understanding, and I think it would be interesting to get others' take on where they perceive the story to be after reading the first paragraphs. That's something that I've struggled with myself in writing - do you set a very definite place and time at the start of the story, or do you let the reader insert their own cultural understandings as an overlay? I tried the latter path in my recent choir story, and it kind of worked, but then people got tripped up by language and place issues as they kept reading.My take was maybe you brought some cultural understanding to it that is less accessible to others. Not a criticism. Many of my favorite authors are not American (many are as well).
It honestly felt like experiencing a Ghibli movie in text form, and that's only the first third of the story. I could go on but you said not a full literary review.
I think it’s hard to cater for every reader. Some people will immediately get the scenario and wonder why you are spelling it out. Others will need their hands holding. I suppose it’s about balancing the two.I didn't take it as a criticism - all good. I think that you're right that there's an implicit cultural understanding, and I think it would be interesting to get others' take on where they perceive the story to be after reading the first paragraphs. That's something that I've struggled with myself in writing - do you set a very definite place and time at the start of the story, or do you let the reader insert their own cultural understandings as an overlay? I tried the latter path in my recent choir story, and it kind of worked, but then people got tripped up by language and place issues as they kept reading.
Thanks for the comment!. Great job of not giving the story away, too. But I think I should add this warning.Okay, I'll try...
*Peeks over the bar to make sure everybody's put the knives away*
I've been a little reluctant to start reading other AH'ers stuff for reasons too boring to explain, but I'll be breaking that trend in the coming months because...
I read Mom, Sex, Gus and Rock-N-Roll by @NotWise last week and it's great. He was worried about the content not going over well, and I suppose that was justified given the sadly low rating, but that's 90% of why I read it in the first place. There's a sense of place in the setting that did a lot for me, even though it was very subtle. I did 3 years living/working in a ski town, and the vibes of existing in that kind of space as a working class person in America were immaculate in the story. Zelda is a transfixing character, and very evocative of some people I've known. The sense of dread she creates, is aware of, and attempts to cover with being the life of the party to varying degrees of success feels real to me in a way that's difficult to even explain. Grace's role as her minder and the complex dynamic between them, equally so.
In short, it nails some really hyper-specific things that I appreciate personally, and that's a fun thing to find. It's inspired a lot of thought and reflection for my own work, and I appreciate that.
This is what I had in mindOkay, I'll try...
*Peeks over the bar to make sure everybody's put the knives away*
I've been a little reluctant to start reading other AH'ers stuff for reasons too boring to explain, but I'll be breaking that trend in the coming months because...
I read Mom, Sex, Gus and Rock-N-Roll by @NotWise last week and it's great. He was worried about the content not going over well, and I suppose that was justified given the sadly low rating, but that's 90% of why I read it in the first place. There's a sense of place in the setting that did a lot for me, even though it was very subtle. I did 3 years living/working in a ski town, and the vibes of existing in that kind of space as a working class person in America were immaculate in the story. Zelda is a transfixing character, and very evocative of some people I've known. The sense of dread she creates, is aware of, and attempts to cover with being the life of the party to varying degrees of success feels real to me in a way that's difficult to even explain. Grace's role as her minder and the complex dynamic between them, equally so.
In short, it nails some really hyper-specific things that I appreciate personally, and that's a fun thing to find. It's inspired a lot of thought and reflection for my own work, and I appreciate that.
I see this sentiment a lot, but I can't remember seeing evidence of its truth.Well, some of us here have posted, and I think others may agree but not publicly, that there is a me, me, me culture here. I see a lot of the "Enough about me, let's talk about you, what do you think about me" here.
TOTALLY agree!!!I think it's generally out of line to second guess what another AH member "meant" by what they wrote.
Everything I've ever read from NotWise was similarly enthralling.Okay, I'll try...
*Peeks over the bar to make sure everybody's put the knives away*
I've been a little reluctant to start reading other AH'ers stuff for reasons too boring to explain, but I'll be breaking that trend in the coming months because...
I read Mom, Sex, Gus and Rock-N-Roll by @NotWise last week and it's great. He was worried about the content not going over well, and I suppose that was justified given the sadly low rating, but that's 90% of why I read it in the first place. There's a sense of place in the setting that did a lot for me, even though it was very subtle. I did 3 years living/working in a ski town, and the vibes of existing in that kind of space as a working class person in America were immaculate in the story. Zelda is a transfixing character, and very evocative of some people I've known. The sense of dread she creates, is aware of, and attempts to cover with being the life of the party to varying degrees of success feels real to me in a way that's difficult to even explain. Grace's role as her minder and the complex dynamic between them, equally so.
In short, it nails some really hyper-specific things that I appreciate personally, and that's a fun thing to find. It's inspired a lot of thought and reflection for my own work, and I appreciate that.