Would this story be allowed?

[AG31]

Also, can you imagine someone here sharing that they enjoy scat? Unlike with the rape kink, no one here would judge it, but there would be the ewww effect. It would be embarrassing, regardless of how generally kink-positive this place is.

Have you visited Fetish and Sexuality recently?

 

[AG31]

Honestly, between me and you, I also find it strange, but I don't expect an explanation. I'm not entitled to one, and I don't believe one is always even possible.

It's literally just a matter of taste.

I love to have articulate people explain their tastes. I've spent a lot of energy here on Lit trying to explain my own tastes to myself.

 

[Djmac1031]

I love to have articulate people explain their tastes. I've spent a lot of energy here on Lit trying to explain my own tastes to myself.

I hear that.

A great majority of my stories are simply me either exploring my kinks or figuring out what my kinks are.

 

[WCSGarland]

So, correct me if im wrong here, but what you're saying is you dont like being pressured / forced into participating in something you have no interest/ desire to participate in; in this instance, answering a straightforward question.

You've said NO and yet they keep posing the question against your will. And its making you... uncomfortable.

Fascinating response.

No, that is not it at all. I have tried to explain the difference between non-consent and non-consensual sex and all I get is people telling me that non-consent is rape/non-consensual sex. No nuance, no understanding of nuance, and I'm told that I'm embarrassed by it.

 

[SimonDoom]

You've explained the giving up control psychology. Tell us about the psychology of the rapist.

It's the flip side of the coin. People like exercising power over others. It's not surprising to me at all that for some it would be a pleasurable fantasy to take that desire to an extreme.

It surprises me that this would surprise people. When I'm confronted with the array of bizarre sexual fantasies that people have, even the extreme ones, I shrug and say, "Yeah, of course. That's people. That's how we are."

Why do people like the Sopranos so much, or other movies about gangsters? Part of it is that it's a well-written and well-acted show. But there's also another thing: many of us, deep down, are fascinated by the idea of living outside the rules. Of being able to do bad things and get away with it. We empathize with the gangsters, and there's a part of us that thinks it would be cool to be a gangster. It's a natural human impulse. We're complicated. There's a part of us that WANTS TO BE BAD. Fantasy, especially erotic fantasy, provides a needed outlet for these desires, an outlet where no real people get hurt.

There is an age-old dynamic between men and women where the man is the pursuer and the woman is the pursued. Or, if you want to go a step further and use edgier terms, the man is the predator and the woman is the prey. Thinking that way may seem objectionable, and acting on it in the real world often WILL be objectionable, but these impulses are there, nevertheless, and it's not surprising that in the fantasy realm some people take these impulses to extremes. Women fantasize about being raped and men fantasize about raping. And vice versa, to some extent.

My sense is that it's more common for women to fantasize about rape than for men to do so, but I'm not sure about that. I enjoy control fantasies up to a certain point, but not that far. But it doesn't surprise me that some go further than I do.

 

[FrancesScott]

My sense is that it's more common for women to fantasize about rape than for men to do so

That’s a big claim unless you have more than just sense to back it up.

 

[SimonDoom]

Interesting understanding of exhibitionism. How do you interpret this new story? (not mine).

That's just another version of exhibitionism. But WCSGarland is absolutely right: there's a substantial element of the exhibitionism/voyeurism fantasy that involves nonconsent. And here's the kicker, folks: THAT'S PART OF THE FUN!

It's one thing if you are posing as a nude art model for the first time in front of a room full of strangers. It's edgy, up to a degree, but only so much. Everyone has agreed to be there and knows what's coming.

But if you run naked down a crowded street, that's a whole different degree of edgy, and for some, IT'S A LOT SEXIER. It's more transgressive. It involves breaking the law, and it involves forcing nudity on those who don't expect it.

 

[WCSGarland]

Interesting understanding of exhibitionism. How do you interpret this new story? (not mine).

It's seems pretty clear that in the context of that story that the e/v is consensual. Quite the opposite of some dude walking out into public, dropping trousers and wanking in front of women and children.

 

[SimonDoom]

That’s a big claim unless you have more than just sense to back it up.

It's just based on the limited reading I have engaged in about people's sexual fantasies. I'm a lay person on the subject, but I've read some books over the years. From what I understand, the female fantasy about being raped is very common and popular. I don't think the male fantasy of raping others is as common or popular. But I couldn't readily cite sources for you and I freely admit it's a tentative claim.

 

[AG31]

It's seems pretty clear that in the context of that story that the e/v is consensual. Quite the opposite of some dude walking out into public, dropping trousers and wanking in front of women and children.

OK, so would you agree that it's exhibitionism?

 

[WCSGarland]

OK, so would you agree that it's exhibitionism?

Yes, I agree that it is exhibitionism. I also stated earlier that exhibitionism can be non-con and not rape, as well as voyeurism can be non-con and not rape.

 

[FrancesScott]

It's just based on the limited reading I have engaged in about people's sexual fantasies. I'm a lay person on the subject, but I've read some books over the years. From what I understand, the female fantasy about being raped is very common and popular. I don't think the male fantasy of raping others is as common or popular. But I couldn't readily cite sources for you and I freely admit it's a tentative claim.

I’m happy you agree it’s tentative.

As above, women who have been sexually assaulted sometimes get a sort of strange comfort from reading rape porn. Some therapists use it. But most would be physically sick at the thought.

I genuinely hope that the women who have never been sexually assaulted and yet dream about it never find out how wrong they are. It’s not something to wish on your worst enemy.

And the studies often use language like forcibly taken, which can just be - as I say above - bodice ripper turned to eleven.

I might do a bit of research on at least the claimed gender of top non-con writers here. If I can find the time.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Wow, flashing people is non-consensual sex now, apparently. If that is true, all those women who wear miniskirts or deep necklines are also inflicting non-con on all of us, those minxes! And don't even get me started about all those women wearing thong bikinis at the beach. They are raping my eyes with their bare buttocks!

Hey, I know, I can wear shirts and jackets with some chain links, and I am practically doing BDSM in the open.

Damn, I need one of those Wanda gifs now.

 

[SimonDoom]

Wow, flashing people is non-consensual sex now, apparently. If that is true, all those women who wear miniskirts or deep necklines are also inflicting non-con on all of us, those minxes! And don't even get me started about all those women wearing thong bikinis at the beach. They are raping my eyes with their bare buttocks!

Hey, I know, I can wear shirts and jackets with some chain links, and I am practically doing BDSM in the open.

Damn, I need one of those Wanda gifs now.

Your incredulity is overstated, and a bit hard to understand. I think WCSGarland's point is obvious, and inarguable.

A man who shows off his genitals to a woman in a park without her consent commits a crime. He may become a registered sex offender for doing that.

A man who takes upskirt photos of a woman without her consent also commits a crime.

There are all kinds of laws that regulate public nudity, as well as the invasion of people's private spaces.

So when those laws, rules, morals, etc. are transgressed, it gives an extra edge to voyeurism/exhibitionism. There IS a nonconsensual element involved. That doesn't mean wearing a low-cut top is a form of nonconsensual sex; that's a silly thing to suggest. But the broader point stands.

 

[XerXesXu]

London had its naked bicycle ride a week or so ago. The police escorted it and the few who noticed it giggled. It's hard to be 'edgy' these days.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Your incredulity is overstated, and a bit hard to understand. I think WCSGarland's point is obvious, and inarguable.

A man who shows off his genitals to a woman in a park without her consent commits a crime. He may become a registered sex offender for doing that.

A man who takes upskirt photos of a woman without her consent also commits a crime.

There are all kinds of laws that regulate public nudity, as well as the invasion of people's private spaces.

So when those laws, rules, morals, etc. are transgressed, it gives an extra edge to voyeurism/exhibitionism. There IS a nonconsensual element involved. That doesn't mean wearing a low-cut top is a form of nonconsensual sex; that's a silly thing to suggest. But the broader point stands.

I don't believe we are having this conversation, to be honest. But I'll indulge.

All of the examples above are examples of public nudity, violation of privacy, sexual harassment, and so on. Not non-con or rape. Non-con literally means non-consensual sex, aka rape. It's not non-consensual something that has some sexual angle; it's non-consensual sex.
If that weren't the case, then, hypothetically, my sexy female boss firing me from my job would be non-con. I sure as hell didn't consent to getting fired, and she always gives me such lewd thoughts.

This is absurd, truly. I see this talk as an attempt to water down the meaning of non-con/rape. (Reluctance is an entirely different thing as consent is ultimately given)
I mean, I have no intention to kink-shame non-con authors, nor would I support any such endeavour. I honestly believe that any complaint should be directed at Laurel, not the authors.

 

[WCSGarland]

No, Non-con does not literally mean non-consensual sex. You are conflating the meaning of the two different concepts.

 

[Djmac1031]

No, Non-con does not literally mean non-consensual sex. You are conflating the meaning of the two different concepts.

What DOES it mean then?

 

[WCSGarland]

Non-con is a clipping of the word nonconsent or non-consensual - the actual dictionary definition of nonconsensual is - not agreed to by one or more of the people involved. In the dictionary, there is no mention of sex.

 

[Djmac1031]

Non-con is a clipping of the word nonconsent or non-consensual - the actual dictionary definition of nonconsensual is - not agreed to by one or more of the people involved. In the dictionary, there is no mention of sex.

So what would YOU call it when someone who forces someone else to have sex against their will?

Not "They finally gave in under pressure or duress," but "They adamantly declined repeatedly and yet were forced anyway."

whats that called under your definition?

 

[FrancesScott]

Non-con is a clipping of the word nonconsent or non-consensual - the actual dictionary definition of nonconsensual is - not agreed to by one or more of the people involved. In the dictionary, there is no mention of sex.

So the Lit category refers to non-consensual toenail clipping? And you called me ridiculous. You should take this stand-up act on the road. People would love you, they’d laugh so much. Forget about their miserable daily lives for a while.

What is the reluctance about. Reluctance to do your F1040? Reluctance to do the dishes?

 

[WCSGarland]

and you think you can actually understand if I tell you why I like to write non-con? fat chance, you wouldn't have a snow-balls chance in hell of understanding.

 

[FrancesScott]

I’ve seen the light. The Anal category isn’t about sodomy. It’s about polyps. Exhibitionism is about large industry events showcasing products. Mind Control is an homage to Professor X. Erotic Couplings is all about getting turned on by linking railroad cars. It all makes so much sense now. I have been so blind.

 

[Djmac1031]

I’ve seen the light. The Anal category isn’t about sodomy. It’s about polyps. Exhibitionism is about large industry events showcasing products. Mind Control is an homage to Professor X. Erotic Couplings is all about getting turned on by linking railroad cars. It all makes so much sense now. I have been so blind.

Double your speak, double your pleasure...

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Non-con is a clipping of the word nonconsent or non-consensual - the actual dictionary definition of nonconsensual is - not agreed to by one or more of the people involved. In the dictionary, there is no mention of sex.

Let's limit this discussion to Literotica. This is ultimately about Lit stories in non-con category. You might have noticed that Literotica adds sex in the name of every category once you click on it.






That's pretty suggestive and not really open to interpretation, don't you think?

Whatever you personally feel non-con means, its Literotica meaning is pretty obvious.